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Usually a day or two after the final version is out



Xanthe seems actively disinterested in the spiritual side of monster powers. It's possible he just does not want to waste time on anything he can't replicate in a lab
He also actively avoids the solutions to all of his problems. I've never seen a more self destructive scientist in my life. He has no problem experimenting on humans and doing WHATEVER needs to be done to obtain a specimen or material.

Yet when he wonders why a teenager one upped him and the other Captains in info it's almost like most of them have been AVOIDING CORRUPTION, the one thing we know actively links you closer to monster related info.
 

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I am calm. My point still stands. You're way too eager to doubt Xanthe at every turn when he's trying to tell you that pursuing it will ruin yourself. This very same person has no problem sacrificing people to test shit out and you still, for whatever reason, don't want to listen to him.

You're also conveniently bring up that he doesn't know everything while forgetting that Xanthe is human. He figured this shit out with his own intellect and research. He studied this shit. He didn't get carried by monsters passing knowledge on *cough* Ella *cough*.

At this point, WW will just have to come out and tell you guys straight up that it's not happening for you to drop it. Because clearly him telling you through Xanthe is going out the other side of your ears about it. Same way he said pregnancy isn't going to be a thing with Humans and Superhumans, with only monsters being the exception.


Xanthe wouldn't be wasting any of his own time. It would be all on the MC. So my point still stands. He wouldn't try to persuade the MC from doing it himself, if it was possible.
I understand it's not EFFICIENT to utilize a billion different powers at once trying to master them all, but again; just because Xanthe says so and experiments on a bunch of people doesn't mean it's not possible.

You're right though, he's only human; which is exactly why he doesn't have all the fucking answers, he still thinks Superhuman confirmed info related to monsters speaking to them and what not is theory just cause he didn't test it on a god damn table himself. There's nothing wrong with that either, but if he wants to be logical I'm gonna take my chances figuring out how my LOGIC DEFYING powers work on my own instead of taking Xanthe's word at face value like it's been confirmed it won't work just cause he said so.

True, he didn't get his info like Ella did (the cheater), but there is someone else (like us) and other Superhumans that know more about monsters and what have you than him because he actively refuses to accept their words as facts. Completely rational, just don't come crying to people when he's suddenly wrong on his limited hypothesis; he's had decades to switch it up.

Xanthe has said it you're right, we can't have pregnancies or mimic powers. Must mean it will NEVER be a possibility down the line cause everyone knows when Xanthe says something, it really means W.W said it (kinda true now that I think about it).
 
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I understand it's not EFFICIENT to utilize a billion different powers at once trying to master them all, but again; just because Xanthe says so and experiments on a bunch of people doesn't mean it's not possible.

You're right though, he's only human; which is exactly why he doesn't have all the fucking answers, he still thinks Superhuman confirmed info related to monsters speaking to them and what not is theory just cause he didn't test it on a god damn table himself. There's nothing wrong with that either, but if he wants to be logical I'm gonna take my chances figuring out how my LOGIC DEFYING powers work on my own instead of taking Xanthe's word at face value like it's been confirmed it won't work just cause he said so.

True, he didn't get his info like Ella did (the cheater), but there is someone else (like us) and other Superhumans that know more about monsters and what have you than him because he actively refuses to accept their words as facts. Completely rational, just don't come crying to people when he's suddenly wrong on his limited hypothesis; he's had decades to switch it up.

Xanthe has said it you're right, we can't have pregnancies or mimic powers. Must mean it will NEVER be a possibility down the line cause everyone knows when Xanthe says something, it really means W.W said it (kinda true now that I think about it).
Once again, you're way too eager to doubt Xanthe at every single turn. This is the main problem. No matter what it's about, you're ready to disagree automatically. The fact that you don't even realize this is part of the problem. It's not even about him being always right or wrong. It's the fact that he tells you that this will have negative effects but you're against it because he's the one telling you it.

Xanthe could tell you directly that there's negative consequences to an action and you still wouldn't believe him. Even when the negative stuff happens immediately afterwards. You would just point the finger back at him and call him incompetent.
 
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Once again, you're way too eager to doubt Xanthe at every single turn. This is the main problem. No matter what it's about, you're ready to disagree automatically. The fact that you don't even realize this is part of the problem. It's not even about him being always right or wrong. It's the fact that he tells you that this will have negative effects but you're against it because he's the one telling you it.

Xanthe could tell you directly that there's negative consequences to an action and you still wouldn't believe him. Even when the negative stuff happens immediately afterwards. You would just point the finger back at him and call him incompetent.
You're right I'm going to doubt a lack of results from one guy, doesn't mean I'll doubt everything from him.

-I have nothing against the monster gear or weapons (looking forward to it actually).

-I have nothing against his eugenics, makes sense to isolate the monster compatibility gene as long as it doesn't effect me (which it doesn't).

-I have nothing against him obtaining specimens of rarity for me to absorb.

-Nothing against his categorization. I didn't argue an S Class isn't an S Class just cause he said it was.

-I agree with him on the focus being to grab specimens for monster research instead of slaughtering all of them.


You know what all of those have in common? They are all LOGICAL shit you can test and research as a human. Now what I don't trust is:

-Take his serum for instance; it obviously works, but I've seen OTHER SOURCES that may determine it might upset your Progenitor (Ella & the 3rd) or weaken your overall strength as a result (Malik, Bernhardt, and Henri are all natural and considered some of if not the strongest). It's up to you to determine if that's a safe route for you to take, just cause Xanthe says it is despite his limited knowledge and/or belief of Monster connections with Superhumans (due to dissuading Corruption and idk, being HUMAN), forgive me if I don't trust him at face value in the matter.

-Him saying we CAN'T do something with our powers, the whole start of this argument. He's had YEARS of research on various Superhumans yes, but even he admits multiple times in fact that there are MANY aspects to Superhumans that just defy all logic, WE have seen that is true. Superhumans, and their abilities more so, go far beyond a test tube and a human's intelligence on the matter. There's an added bonus that every Superhuman is unique, more so us being an Apostle(s) spawn & an Arbiter's favorite, 2 things Xanthe doesn't even fucking know exist in the first place. So if he says I can't do something based on what he dissected in a lab I might be inclined to put that up for debate, as I'm doing now.

-I'm 50/50 on the pregnancy, I'd say it's true that it's IMPOSSIBLE if it wasn't for what we are and what we can do to other people down to not just the mental but genetic level, especially later on. As for anyone not involved or influenced by us, probably not, but monsters by nature love to breed and this is a porn game, you're telling me pregnancy will NEVER be a thing for US (and those we influence ofc) just cause Xanthe said so?




So no, I don't just blindly ignore what he says, but I also don't blindly believe it like some people seem to, and you can't fault others for thinking the same given everything we know and he doesn't, both from a narrative AND character perspective.

Again though, if we could eventually utilize other's powers it wouldn't necessarily be a negative or inefficient thing. It also doesn't make you an Isekai fanboy or whatever just cause people want the potential of something that's possible and don't want to accept Xanthe's word at face value when we nor he is even Lvl 5 yet. There are plenty of one trick pony powers or passives we could utilize to expand on our overall strength. Take Klaus's energy for example; we don't have to learn how to become Goku and shoot lasers out of our ass, but we could learn his passive shielding to be tankier when we're stationary. Or expand on Demi's perception ability and merging it hand in hand with our Memory ability. I would welcome THAT addition to our arsenal as we'd still be the same and focusing our main powers, just with added bonuses that may potentially help pass a skill check if you consumed someone, something like that. If it doesn't happen though, great, nothing has changed. If it's added, great, Xanthe ISN'T the game's puppeteer and we can finally stop taking his word at face value as if he is and shaming others for thinking he wasn't initially.
 
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You're right I'm going to doubt a lack of results from one guy, doesn't mean I'll doubt everything from him.

-I have nothing against the monster gear or weapons (looking forward to it actually).

-I have nothing against his eugenics, makes sense to isolate the monster compatibility gene as long as it doesn't effect me (which it doesn't).

-I have nothing against him obtaining specimens of rarity for me to absorb.

-Nothing against his categorization. I didn't argue an S Class isn't an S Class just cause he said it was.


You know what all of those have in common? They are all LOGICAL shit you can test and research as a human. Now what I don't trust is:

-Take his serum for instance; it obviously works, but I've seen OTHER SOURCES that may determine it might upset your Progenitor (Ella & the 3rd) or weaken your overall strength as a result (Malik, Bernhardt, and Henri are all natural and considered some of if not the strongest). It's up to you to determine if that's a safe route for you to take, just cause Xanthe says it is despite his limited knowledge and/or belief of Monster connections with Superhumans (due to dissuading Corruption and idk, being HUMAN), forgive me if I don't trust him at face value in the matter.

-Him saying we CAN'T do something with our powers, the whole start of this argument. He's had YEARS of research on various Superhumans yes, but even he admits multiple times in fact that there are MANY aspects to Superhumans that just defy all logic, WE have seen that is true. Superhumans, and their abilities more so, go far beyond a test tube and a human's intelligence on the matter. There's an added bonus that every Superhuman is unique, more so us being an Apostle(s) spawn & an Arbiter's favorite, 2 things Xanthe doesn't even fucking know exist in the first place. So if he says I can't do something based on what he dissected in a lab I might be inclined to put that up for debate, as I'm doing now.

-I'm 50/50 on the pregnancy, I'd say it's true that it's IMPOSSIBLE if it wasn't for what we are and what we can do to other people down to not just the mental but genetic level, especially later on. As for anyone not involved or influenced by us, probably not, but monsters by nature love to breed and this is a porn game, you're telling me pregnancy will NEVER be a thing for US (and those we influence ofc) just cause Xanthe said so?




So no, I don't just blindly ignore what he says, but I also don't blindly believe it like some people seem to, and you can't fault others for thinking the same given everything we know and he doesn't, both from a narrative AND character perspective.

Again though, if we could eventually utilize other's powers it wouldn't necessarily be a negative or inefficient thing. There are plenty of one trick pony powers or passives we could utilize to expand on our overall strength. Take Klaus's energy for example; we don't have to learn how to become Goku and shoot Lazers out of our ass, but we could learn his passive shielding to be tankier when we're stationary. Or expand on Demi's perception ability and merging it hand in hand with our Memory ability. I would welcome THAT addition to our arsenal as we'd still be the same and focusing our main powers, just with added bonuses that may potentially help pass a skill check if you consumed someone, something like that.
Having nothing against monster gear, eugenics, monster corpses and classifications is irrelevant. And if I'm being brutally honest, I even doubt this is completely true coming from you. You would find some hole in some of it and complain about Xanthe and/or HERO being incompetent in some way.

You didn't see any sources, in reference to Ella evolving via a serum. The 3rd wasn't upset with Ella because of that. Her brushing him off would be the likely cause. This take is also instantly refuted by Michael evolving via the serum and the 2nd watching over him during it, with seemingly no issue with his spawn taking it. Which just adds another unfound critique you have formed against Xanthe for no reason.

As for the rest of your post. I guarantee if you switched Xanthe with Ella, this discussion wouldn't even be happening right now. She could tell you every single thing that Xanthe has said and you wouldn't even doubt or question anything passed the intentional thought. While still finding some fault with Xanthe, even if he told you all that info first. You would give all the credit to her.

This is not even about taking things at face value because I don't agree with several things said by Xanthe. It's the fact that you're clearly biased against this character and for whatever reason, think Xanthe has to be wrong about something as the default conclusion.

This is where the discussion ends. This already distracted me from my ass paradise long enough. Get your last bars off and make it count because I'm likely not going to reply to it after this point. I got to start up my new playthrough after that is finished.
 
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Having nothing against monster gear, eugenics, monster corpses and classifications is irrelevant. And if I'm being brutally honest, I even doubt this is completely true coming from you. You would find some hole in some of it and complain about Xanthe and/or HERO being incompetent in some way.

You didn't see any sources, in reference to Ella evolving via a serum. The 3rd wasn't upset with Ella because of that. Her brushing him off would be the likely cause. This take is also instantly refuted by Michael evolving via the serum and the 2nd watching over him during it, with seemingly no issue with his spawn taking it. Which just adds another unfound critique you have formed against Xanthe for no reason.

As for the rest of your post. I guarantee if you switched Xanthe with Ella, this discussion wouldn't even be happening right now. She could tell you every single thing that Xanthe has said and you wouldn't even doubt or question anything passed the intentional thought. While still finding some fault with Xanthe, even if he told you all that info first. You would give all the credit to her.

This is not even about taking things at face value because I don't agree with several things said by Xanthe. It's the fact that you're clearly biased against this character and for whatever reason, think Xanthe has to be wrong about something as the default conclusion.

This is where the discussion ends. This already distracted me from my ass paradise long enough. Get your last bars off and make it count because I'm likely not going to reply to it after this point. I got to start up my new playthrough after that is finished.
You don't get to say I doubt Xanthe at every turn and then when I bring up points I DON'T doubt about him, you completely ignore them for the sake of your own argument; even just to add that you yourself DOUBT what I said was even true, guess we can both doubt stuff hmm...

In regards to the serum, the reason I brought up Ella is because we know that with each Evolution or even infection, you have to meet a certain criteria for various areas. Be that compatibility with the monster, physically, mentally, etc. etc. So if they DO have a hand in our Evolutions to an "extent", what do you think happens when you start forcing said Evolutions against their wishes? Sure, you're right; the 2nd was fine with Michael using it but that was at Lvl 1 to 2. Everyone has said that the 5th is an ENTIRELY different Lvl, it's also probably the Lvl we really get in touch with our monster (high Corruption risk & all that). If all of that is true, the people who haven't been Evolving probably aren't evolving due to the conditions they haven't met yet. Which is why I was certain it was implied the 3rd was mad at Ella because she used the serum to Evolve and that's why she "wasn't worthy" I could be wrong, but it's a suspicious I have. Along with the other points like Bernhardt, Malik, & Henri being considered some of the strongest Superhumans at H.E.R.O but I guess we'll ignore that point again. If Xanthe could disprove any of this I'd be more than happy to take his serum and trust his infinite wisdom but oh wait! He hasn't had he...shame...

Ya I probably wouldn't doubt if Ella told me. Know why? Cause she's a SUPERHUMAN and not to mention significantly more alike in terms of powers than the POWERLESS 80 yr old man, actively DOESN'T fight against Corruption so she knows the monster sides of it, and seems to know more than him anyway despite the serum. So yeah, if the roles were reversed, cool. Would I still explore the options, sure, cause she doesn't have the Memory trait like we do so there's potential we could do things she thought we couldn't (plus the Arbiter likes us). So I'm not biased AGAINST Xanthe as a whole, just this particular instance, I'm not going to blindly listen to his limited knowledge of the matter as if W.W confirmed it himself he hasn't and when we haven't tested it ourselves, AND we aren't at our full potential, end of story.
 

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Bernhardt, Malik, and Henri are the strongest superhumans at H.E.R.O. because they've been at level 5 for longer than anyone else. That means they benefit from a level 5 growth rate, instead of a level 4 or level 3 growth rate like the others.
Remember, the serum was only perfected and used on Nico, Nyx, Lucius, Alexis and the others some time after the game's start, which means they only reached level 5 recently.
Bernhardt, Malik, and Henri have probably been at level 5 for years. We know Henri at least went from level 1 to level 5 within a week.
 
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Haha feels good to be fully vindicated on Liz in fact not being a gold digger. She cares about the MC the most out of everyone in the group that's not family. She just thinks she and the MC can't have a relationship cause they're both depressed, not "u 2 short 4 me". When she comments about the MC being so different yet feeling the same, its literally because the MC is getting rid of his depression and helping her with her depression as well. The MC is literally fixing her.

It's literally a story about a girl who think she's incapable of showing emotions slowly learning what it means to love. As much as I like NTR, gotta say the love route is pulling ahead.

The update was a 10 just for that emotional flashback alone. Probably the most romantic scene in the game too in the love route. Really didn't expect that from the most emotionless character in the game. Though reaaaally makes me feel bad for her in the NTR route.
 
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You don't get to say I doubt Xanthe at every turn and then when I bring up points I DON'T doubt about him, you completely ignore them for the sake of your own argument; even just to add that you yourself DOUBT what I said was even true, guess we can both doubt stuff hmm...

In regards to the serum, the reason I brought up Ella is because we know that with each Evolution or even infection, you have to meet a certain criteria for various areas. Be that compatibility with the monster, physically, mentally, etc. etc. So if they DO have a hand in our Evolutions to an "extent", what do you think happens when you start forcing said Evolutions against their wishes? Sure, you're right; the 2nd was fine with Michael using it but that was at Lvl 1 to 2. Everyone has said that the 5th is an ENTIRELY different Lvl, it's also probably the Lvl we really get in touch with our monster (high Corruption risk & all that). If all of that is true, the people who haven't been Evolving probably aren't evolving due to the conditions they haven't met yet. Which is why I was certain it was implied the 3rd was mad at Ella because she used the serum to Evolve and that's why she "wasn't worthy" I could be wrong, but it's a suspicious I have. Along with the other points like Bernhardt, Malik, & Henri being considered some of the strongest Superhumans at H.E.R.O but I guess we'll ignore that point again. If Xanthe could disprove any of this I'd be more than happy to take his serum and trust his infinite wisdom but oh wait! He hasn't had he...shame...

Ya I probably wouldn't doubt if Ella told me. Know why? Cause she's a SUPERHUMAN and not to mention significantly more alike in terms of powers than the POWERLESS 80 yr old man, actively DOESN'T fight against Corruption so she knows the monster sides of it, and seems to know more than him anyway despite the serum. So yeah, if the roles were reversed, cool. Would I still explore the options, sure, cause she doesn't have the Memory trait like we do so there's potential we could do things she thought we couldn't (plus the Arbiter likes us). So I'm not biased AGAINST Xanthe as a whole, just this particular instance, I'm not going to blindly listen to his limited knowledge of the matter as if W.W confirmed it himself he hasn't and when we haven't tested it ourselves, AND we aren't at our full potential, end of story.
Malik, Bernhardt and Henri were also the first ones to achieve their fifth evolution which likely contributes to their power level over the other level fives. During this update Xanthe does cut himself off as he's saying a natural evolution wouldn't be nearly as something, which to me doesn't sound like it's going to cause weaker evolutions. Obviously Michael and Tiffany are only achieving their second evo at this point so could the same sentiment hold true at the level five I don't know. But one thing we can be fairly certain of is that HERO does have a lot of data and knowledge on evolutions, likely more than Ella just due to the numbers difference they have as Ella's crew was very small in scale in comparison to HERO.

Onto to the whole anti corruptions thing I honestly have no idea where you are getting this impression that he is anti-corruption. Sure he invented the helmet to help keep corruption in check but there doesn't seem to be any real mandates to wear it. During the wedding Nyx will even comment on you not wearing it and ask if you're interested in the corruption aspect of your powers so they can clearly tell who is and isn't wearing it and yet nobody cares that you aren't. Not only that but most if not all of the high ranking HERO members are all corrupted to fuck. Nyx herself kills and revives people just to increase it, there's no way in hell you could refute Bernhardt not being on the path to max his corruption out with his open distaste for humanity. So to say the info he and the captains have is inferior due to them avoiding corruption is just blatantly false.

Lastly onto your notion of him not knowing anything about the Apostles even going so far as to say he doesn't know of their existence. Again during the Michael and Tiffany evolution scene we can see him clearly talking about detecting them during the evolution process, he's even surprised they only detected one due to Tiffany's not making an appearance. He goes on to show that he knows about their avatars and that they have a true form somewhere which should be the only important thing and then theorizes could the true form also be dead. So while they might potentially not define them as apostles as others do clearly he and HERO knows about them even being able to detect their presence during evolution.
 

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Anyway, I have returned from ass paradise. Now, I'm exhausted as shit. I'll have to start my new 5th Playthrough later. Instead of fully redoing my Murderhobo, I just figured I'd just do a 5th one.

It's pretty much the same as my main. The 4th is still Mommy. Danica still alive. The only difference is I'll focus max skill points first and then build into power and corruption. Basically, I'm doing a "balanced" playthrough. My Main prioritizes power with corruption coming secondary and skill third. My Corruption Main prioritizes both power and corruption. My Murderhobo prioritizes body count over everything. Skill MC with 0 Corruption obviously prioritizes skill stat. So this new one will do all three together, when possible.

So now that I've got that out the way. It's time to reveal this playthrough name. I've had so many names with Darkness, Void, Night, Dark Night and so many more. So I've settled on the new hero name "Veil" with this playthrough. This one is going to be tricky to get right but I'll figure it out as I go.
 
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It's so bizarre to still even want it. The MC is already confirmed to have the most unique abilities in game and has the potential to be the strongest known spawn out of everyone when he reaches his peak, Level 5. You would think people would be happy but they rather have everyone else's power instead of the MC being creative with his own.
Can i use this version on joiplay + I want a full save
 

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One more point for Henri, Malik and Bernhardt. It might not be that "they're the strongest because they evolved first ad level 5s have a faster growth rate." It might be reversing cause and effect. Like... "they're level 5 because they're the strongest, and crazy enough to go above and beyond."

Henri seems to be a reality warper, and I'd guess literally used his power to evolve himself.

Bernhardt is Absolutely Power obsessed, to the point he makes Ella look like Jake, while Malik probably watched Bernhardt ad realized "Someone needs to be able to kill my friend Bernhardt if he goes apeshit, and it should probably be me considering Future sight doesn't let us inherently change the future, he can turn invisible so Nyx can't see him, and no number of clones could stop him if he turned into a tornado or something."

Out of Left Field side note, I think Lucius is stronger than You all assume (Having absolutely no idea if any of you are underestimating Clone Boy, I just know that I don't respect him, and am hedging my bets against bias of him being goofy.) Gog Agog, The Worm from Kill Six Billion Demons kind of shows what "duplication" can do as a power in their fight against Jagganoth. Building constructs out of their own body and encasing a planetoid in a shell of clones, and then launching basically Kill Sat lasers made of their own flesh, all at "combat speed." No matter how strong Malik or Bernhardt is, depending on how efficient Lucius can be, They might not have The Juice to fully kill him. Meanwhile, if he can copy items (which it seems he can, considering his Outfit) he can probably represent a non-zero threat, and any non-zero number times infinity is infinity. Plus, he implies that there isn't a "main body" which is every clone haver in comics easy-made weakness. If they're all equally real, even if they share an ultimate power source, he could just have clones in every single city, making it impossible to fully get rid of him without some metaphysical stuff, or doing a genocide against all life. Not just all Humans, but all superhumans too.

Then again, compared to Bernhardt, he actually seems like a pretty chill guy, so he probably won't do any of that. Just speaking up for this dingus who IS a captain and sits at the cool kids table.
 

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Cunts got my O.C.D in overdrive you know i have to read all of your text walls :(

Man so the world jumping dead end and W.W letter for the 1.0 tell us shit gonna hit the fan Badly. so i was right cunts are on a conquest. Man so we are genestealers XD making way for the hive fleet but there a múltiple hive minds an shit is way more chaotic have i tell you that i love this game.
H.E.R.O playing polítics and s.i.n greedy fucks. Earth is so fucked :(
 

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Michael vs tiff . I was boy discovered girls hahaha just kidding i knew he just wanted a dogfight yup i can't even get mad at him he is to funny
 

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Cunts got my O.C.D in overdrive you know i have to read all of your text walls :(
But you love it... :devilish:

Kinks aside, it is nice to see people posting in ways that shows understanding of the world presented, and basing their conjecture on information within the game. It definitely beats the all too familiar "she have sex with other guy, it all ntr naow!"

Given how in depth a fair amount of posts in this thread are, generally speaking, and some of the (objectively) harmless Off Topic posts, I'm not surprised that this thread can move quite fast. Marginally surprised the thread hasn't hit 1000 pages yet, but I'm sure it'll do it in good time... Memery shenanigans included.
 
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