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Krytax123

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Btw. does anyone play the "having a bad relationship" route with the dad ?

It would even be reasonable for other mcs considering how the dad really isnt careing much :ROFLMAO: buuuut i just cant made to believe that our mc here gives much of a shit about that and is more like "cool, got the house for myself" shrugs
 
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Zeus the Fucker

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My thoughts on MC, and Michael.

MC: I doubt he will evolve to his 4th evolution prior to mastering his memory trait until somewhat close to "3rd evolution tier" just because i intuitively feel that the balance would be far too tipped off his genetic monster makeup.

Michael: I, unironically think Michael has the potential to become onpar with MC or even stronger. That sexy grey alien bitch informed us that Authority, the daddy of the 1st and 2nd apostle was the strongest one out of the other kids on his parental generation. So I assume its only logical if someone with a very combat mind that gets some SSJ69420 2nd apostle powers becomes mega broken to the point he will be the one to fight Indra.
If Michael gets as strong as mc. It will be because of his skills and not power. We must understand that mc has two powers and that he has not been using one of them the entire time. Also Michael has a very low synchronization to monster power. I believe weird world gave him and Jake those powers is to nerf the first two apostles spawn
 

OnlineRando

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If Michael gets as strong as mc. It will be because of his skills and not power. We must understand that mc has two powers and that he has not been using one of them the entire time. Also Michael has a very low synchronization to monster power. I believe weird world gave him and Jake those powers is to nerf the first two apostles spawn
True, though that mostly only applies if MC manages to train both memory and body at the same time and retain the effectiveness of both, otherwise his progression should stay relatively similar, if a bit faster on the power side and slower on the skill side, since he would make no effort to master either, and switch to the other when progression slows down.

Also, where is the sentiment that Michael has low monster/power trait compatibility coming from? This is like the second time I read this in here and I'm pretty sure I didn't miss something this important... Did WW say that in one of his streams?
 
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Sayajin2205

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True, though that mostly only applies if MC manages to train both memory and body at the same time and retain the effectiveness of both, otherwise his progression should stay relatively similar, if a bit faster on the power side and slower on the skill side, since he would make no effort to master either, and switch to the other when progression slows down.

Also, where is the sentiment that Michael has low monster/power trait compatibility coming from? This is like the second time I read this in here and I'm pretty sure I didn't miss something this important... Did WW say that in one of his streams?
The game pretty much states this why do you think Ella gave him the the lighting monster's pill because lik his brother Met his compatibility is higher to a lower level monster whereas Alice and Mc are highly compatible to apostles even though Alice isn't an apostle spawn she has very high compatibility with the Ether .Michael pretty much forced his way through sheer will and skill to get a higher tier power and parent.
 

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If Michael gets as strong as mc. It will be because of his skills and not power. We must understand that mc has two powers and that he has not been using one of them the entire time. Also Michael has a very low synchronization to monster power. I believe weird world gave him and Jake those powers is to nerf the first two apostles spawn
Nah everyone is nerfed if we go that route but in truth it's only the mc the one with dual traits so if anything it's just him breaking the normal.Alice might get full powers of Ether but I doubt she gets much from time.Same way the moon twins also are divided with one and one trait only.Ella herself also is a example like all of them.Tiffany and Claudia also look like they will only have one trait aswell It's basically what Syla said getting 2 traits provide mc more adaptability whole one trait spawns might be stronger in sheer raw power.
 

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The game pretty much states this why do you think Ella gave him the the lighting monster's pill because lik his brother Met his compatibility is higher to a lower level monster whereas Alice and Mc are highly compatible to apostles even though Alice isn't an apostle spawn she has very high compatibility with the Ether .Michael pretty much forced his way through sheer will and skill to get a higher tier power and parent.
I don't think monster compatibility works like that. The game only ever talks about two types of compatibility: general compatibility, and compatibility with specific traits.

General compatibility is how compatible someone is with getting powers in general, and shouldn't be influenced by the powers you receive necessarily. This is supported by Ella saying that Emily has higher general compatibility than both her and MC, but she doesn't know what monster parent would specifically fit her. If this was about how strong the monster parent was, you'd think Ella would've definitely just chosen one of the apostles to be Emily's monster parent.

Another point is that MC's dad was perfectly compatible with body but had atrocious general compatibility, so he couldn't get any power without monsterfying.

Trait compatibility, meanwhile, is self-explanatory. It is the reason MC isn't a perfect mix between body and memory, and a much more likely candidate for why Ella thought the Leigong fit Michael better, as we know it is genetic, or at least related to your heritage in some way, and not (entirely, if at all) mental, as well as can change (though the circumstances might need to be extraordinary), as Syla's formerly perfect compatibility with memory decreased. This I see being lower for Michael, but Leigong is still mostly a power-based monster, so it shouldn't be low in any meaningful capacity.
 

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True, though that mostly only applies if MC manages to train both memory and body at the same time and retain the effectiveness of both, otherwise his progression should stay relatively similar, if a bit faster on the power side and slower on the skill side, since he would make no effort to master either, and switch to the other when progression slows down.

Also, where is the sentiment that Michael has low monster/power trait compatibility coming from? This is like the second time I read this in here and I'm pretty sure I didn't miss something this important... Did WW say that in one of his streams?
Ella says he only has about 50% compatibility with Power during the scene where she gives him the second pill.

The Leigong is 58% Power, 8% Fantasy, and 34% Ether.
Michael most likely has some level of compatibility with Fantasy and Ether as well, which makes him more compatible with the Leigong than with Power.
 
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Ella says he only has about 50% compatibility with Power during the scene where she gives him the second pill.

The Leigong is 58% Power, 8% Fantasy, and 34% Ether.
Michael most likely has some level of compatibility with Fantasy and Ether as well, which makes him more compatible with the Leigong than with Power.
Huh, didn't remember that. Thanks.
 

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Ella never specifies exactly how compatible with Power Michael is, she explicitly says he's not an "exact fit". That doesn't mean he's low, it just means he's not perfectly or borderline perfectly compatible on a genetic level with his apostle like Jake or the MC respectively. I reckon his genetic compatibility for the Apostle is quite high, definitely more than 50-58%. Power seems to like Michael a lot, considering how its actively guiding him at Level 2 like Authority did with Jake and is being offered rites to perform for additional abilities just like Ella.
 
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Ella never specifies exactly how compatible with Power Michael is, she explicitly says he's not an "exact fit". That doesn't mean he's low, it just means he's not perfectly or borderline perfectly compatible on a genetic level with his apostle like Jake or the MC respectively. I reckon his genetic compatibility for the Apostle is quite high, definitely more than 50-58%. Power seems to like Michael a lot, considering how its actively guiding him at Level 2 like Authority did with Jake and is being offered rites to perform for additional abilities just like Ella.
Ya does our Apostles not like us? I mean ya the eye told us that we need to eat some people like Jake and Danica, but we only get corrupted and a dead end nothing else
 

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Ya does our Apostles not like us? I mean ya the eye told us that we need to eat some people like Jake and Danica, but we only get corrupted and a dead end nothing else
The MC's apostles have been willing to go brawl with other Apostles for his safety, and don't seem to have any issue with him...for now. He inherited a clean 50%/50% split of his Stephen and Syla's 100% genetic compatibility for Body and Memory, but due to Syla not being human and somehow making her overwritten DNA not 100% Memory There's a non-zero chance that Memory might have some beef with him in the future.

As for the eye, we don't currently know what that is or how it relates to the Apostles. All we know for sure is that it calls itself an origin and seems to be acausal to some extent, as it's perfectly aware of its losses in other Dead Ends.

The current theory is that it's an Arbiter, and that the reason why it's so hellbent on reaching completion again is because it originally held and wishes to hold again a power that's the combination the Body and Memory traits, akin to how Aglaecwif said Jake had the potential to manifest Order - a combination of the Authority and Power traits - if he wasn't so mentally weak. With some hints given when the MC links to the apostles in the Dream World, the completed power would probably be called Evolution.
 

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The MC's apostles have been willing to go brawl with other Apostles for his safety, and don't seem to have any issue with him...for now. He inherited a clean 50%/50% split of his Stephen and Syla's 100% genetic compatibility for Body and Memory, but due to Syla not being human and somehow making her overwritten DNA not 100% Memory There's a non-zero chance that Memory might have some beef with him in the future.

As for the eye, we don't currently know what that is or how it relates to the Apostles. All we know for sure is that it calls itself an origin and seems to be acausal to some extent, as it's perfectly aware of its losses in other Dead Ends.

The current theory is that it's an Arbiter, and that the reason why it's so hellbent on reaching completion again is because it originally held and wishes to hold again a power that's the combination the Body and Memory traits, akin to how Aglaecwif said Jake had the potential to manifest Order - a combination of the Authority and Power traits - if he wasn't so mentally weak. With some hints given when the MC links to the apostles in the Dream World, the completed power would probably be called Evolution.
Compatibility for specific traits is kinda weird in MC's case. If it's specifically genetic then it either isn't an issue or won't be because MC can literally completely change his physical makeup so that might have just been fixed when he awakened as a superhuman (or could be fixed in the future otherwise since he can change his genetics).

And if trait compatibility comes from the soul, or something else that goes beyond the physical level (and is inherited), then there shouldn't be any problem regardless unless Syla's soul (or whatever it is that affects this) was altered by something, and so far we don't have any evidence of that happening, though it's not like we know every single little detail of Syla's life.

Although, so far, we have seen exactly zero powers that we know for sure can affect the soul, which isn't a surprise considering that it's the mix of light and darkness. The closest candidate so far is Nyx, whose power does seem to relate to the soul in some way, though I'd wager she has a non-small mix of power in there as well. My guess for her power's trait makeup would be something like 50% power, 30% darkness, and 20% from either truth or destruction, leaning towards the latter.
 
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DrakoGhoul

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Ella never specifies exactly how compatible with Power Michael is, she explicitly says he's not an "exact fit". That doesn't mean he's low, it just means he's not perfectly or borderline perfectly compatible on a genetic level with his apostle like Jake or the MC respectively. I reckon his genetic compatibility for the Apostle is quite high, definitely more than 50-58%. Power seems to like Michael a lot, considering how its actively guiding him at Level 2 like Authority did with Jake and is being offered rites to perform for additional abilities just like Ella.
I feel like that's a bit of a stretch. If MC is considered an "exact fit" at 50% of the 3rd and 49% of the 4th respectively. How could Michael be higher than 50% with the 2nd but not be an exact fit under her standards? Michael would have to be sub 60% with the 2nd. Otherwise, Ella is contradicting herself. Especially if Jake is also borderline a halfie like MC. Seeing as he had the potential for Order.

The 2nd Apostle "liking" Michael likely has nothing to do with compatible and more with his warmonger like desire to pursue power at any cost. He wouldn't need too high compatibility. Just enough to get in the door. It wouldn't be the first time an Apostle favored a spawn over another of their line for a specific thing. Though reversed, look at the 6th wanting Alice over Aos and that was because Alice is much more ruthless. Along with probably being much higher than Aos in compatibility.

That said, it also doesn't matter as much with the 2nd specifically anyway. With Indra still living and his Chosen. The 2nd doesn't need to prioritize compatibility as much. Unless you believe Michael is somehow much more compatible than Indra, who was gifted with being an Apostle Avatar.
 

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Hey, how's it going. Just talking a bit about the update.

Been kind of wrestling for a while, as I often do on when exactly I should cut off the end of the next update, how much I should take on, etc. Was gonna make it a super long one, but like last year, I'm gonna be going away on christmas so I don't wanna be pushing that shit back til January. So in the end I've decided to just go the old fashion medium size route.
So, when does that mean it'll come out? Early December probably, two or three weeks from now at a guess, I think I can get it out around then, which isn't bad timing for me, as I'll be heading out shortly after. So yeah, that's about the goal, we'll see how it goes.

Anyway, that's it, catch you next week.
 

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Hey, how's it going. Just talking a bit about the update.

Been kind of wrestling for a while, as I often do on when exactly I should cut off the end of the next update, how much I should take on, etc. Was gonna make it a super long one, but like last year, I'm gonna be going away on christmas so I don't wanna be pushing that shit back til January. So in the end I've decided to just go the old fashion medium size route.
So, when does that mean it'll come out? Early December probably, two or three weeks from now at a guess, I think I can get it out around then, which isn't bad timing for me, as I'll be heading out shortly after. So yeah, that's about the goal, we'll see how it goes.

Anyway, that's it, catch you next week.
early december lets go
 
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Hey, how's it going. Just talking a bit about the update.

Been kind of wrestling for a while, as I often do on when exactly I should cut off the end of the next update, how much I should take on, etc. Was gonna make it a super long one, but like last year, I'm gonna be going away on christmas so I don't wanna be pushing that shit back til January. So in the end I've decided to just go the old fashion medium size route.
So, when does that mean it'll come out? Early December probably, two or three weeks from now at a guess, I think I can get it out around then, which isn't bad timing for me, as I'll be heading out shortly after. So yeah, that's about the goal, we'll see how it goes.

Anyway, that's it, catch you next week.
Update in early december, i doubt will be called 1.0
I guess will probably be March
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