Shadowdragon

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I don't see that at all if you actually look at the intended purpose of the scene, and now you've gone from memory is weak at damage to memory is bad at combat. Do you believe the mom in that amazing spectacle was suppose to be weak? The complete opposite, she was very strong but it was set up to show her killer was just that much stronger so he becomes a goal for the MC to overcome.
Okay, the first part of your first sentence I don't get, so I'll get to the rest. So first, is Syla weak? Absolutely not. However, that does not mean all monsters using memory powers are strong in a fight, either in actual combat or in dealing damage. Some may be good at one, the other, or even both, but the implication seems to be that most memory monsters would be better at ambush attacks than a straight fight. The general rule of monsters seems to be that if a monster needs a strong body, either to fight directly, or to use a powerful ranged attack, it generally does not have an equally strong mental defense. Conversely, monsters with powerful mental abilities tend to not have equally strong physical bodies. Syla's fight shows this; every time Syla is struck, she gets eviscerated until she forgets the damage. Meanwhile, Indra either shrugs of every attack, or is capable of dodging Syla's greatest attacks. The fact of this fight is that both of them have minimized the weaknesses of their specific power types; Syla with her forgetting power, and Indra with his faith and conviction in his master's goal. Neither should be considered as the rule of their monster types, however, that doesn't mean that they can't be compared to those who have, or have had, the potential to become exceptional amongst superhumans and monsters.

So, the intended purpose of the scene, which I'm guessing you mean the fight between the two, can have more than just the meaning of making the MC have a goal of getting strong enough to kill Indra. In fact, if you have played the newest update, you would know that the MC can just say something along the lines of, "Well, now I know what happened," which would somewhat undermine that interpretation, though since I haven't chosen that line yet, I don't know that it definitely undermines it. It certainly shows how powerful both of them are, but it also shows that Syla is smarter than she typically acts. First, she knew that Indra would allow her to set up before the fight because he wanted to fight her at her full power. Second, Syla knew that even fighting against Indra with all of her might, she could never kill him, both due to his power's incompatibility with her body, and due to the fact that if she did, then she would forever be the enemy of the Apostles, and that it would be possible, if not likely, that the Fourth would out and out erase her completely, as she implies that the Fourth could do at anytime currently. So instead, she fought with all of her might for a grey zone, weaken Indra's power reserves and and mental strength enough that she could erase those memories of who he is supposed to kill, thereby keeping a tenuous balance between what the Apostles want, and what she wants. The one thing she miscalculated was just how strong Indra's mental strength was, leading to the last purpose of the scene, showing how kind Syla was. She could have chosen to leave out anyone other than herself, but she didn't. In fact, she specifically chose to let him remember her so that she could choose to use those memories to keep him in the dark even after she was dead. I can't remember the exact lines, but it was along the lines of "they" (Most probably the memories of her) won't let you (Indra) hurt "them" (Most probably those Indra is supposed to kill).

So no, Memory is not necessarily bad at combat, nor is it necessarily bad at physical damage all the time. What I'm trying to say though, is that most of the time, Memory is not as good at physical damage as most other powers, and that Syla and her kin are an exception specifically because they can copy other powers, not the rule of Memory monsters.
 
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One_Black_Sun

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Here's to another year filled with tentacle breeding CG and schizo debate on who have the wettest pussy in the game!
i still remember back when this thread only have 200 page and our nemesis is kenny,klaus and jake.... View attachment 4343174
Come to think of it, when was the last time we actually got a proper tentacle breeding scene? Feels like it's been ages.

We really need more CG of the MC trying out weird, fantastical transformations during sex.
 

Hazardgaming

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I just realised that the last few updates made me forget about a lot of my grudges. From Nico threatening to space the MC (and actually doing it as a bad end) to Charlie saving that dumbass Jared from being assassinated. Cole, Shane, those Moon twins, the two doctors (HERO and SIN), Dexter... whomever made us fall into the monster world.

Klaus at least had the decency to die.
 

bfc233

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Do you guys think this monster world arc has gone on for too long than it should?
No, because things are actually moving in a way they weren't before.

You see, while MC and friends remained on earth, everything had to be in a kind of stasis. The H.E.R.O. arc was stagnating by design. Reactive you might say.

Not just MC leaving, but his friends too moves the plot, mh, say, perpendicular to it's earlier progression.

People are growing rapidly here. In power, confidence, closeness and world view. It might just be me, but if we look at it from the lens of the beginning, the entire troupe has absorbed a lot of Alice' and Michael's toughness, while especially Michael softened up. They are all a little more 'fucked in the head' in a good way.

With everyone tight knit you've got the kind of set up you want for radical change at the end of the road. Am I'm all here for it.

Welcome to the bro zone
Is this a thing?
If this isn't, we need to make it one, like, yesterday.

we shouldn't judge
Bullshit.
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Just don't go around thinking that judgement implies ill will and don't make your self worth depend on other's view of you.
 
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Farhan124

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ngl ever since the mc got his third evolution its just been L after L (in his defence Cole did kinda pull an evolution out his ass and had a weapon too).
Cole's fight is considered a win(even though you don't do it alone). Ella says something along the lines of { Cole should have won, good job beating him, your body will remember it}
So no, Memory is not necessarily bad at combat, nor is it necessarily bad at physical damage all the time. What I'm trying to say though, is that most of the time, Memory is not as good at physical damage as most other powers, and that Syla and her kin are an exception specifically because they can copy other powers, not the rule of Memory monsters.
I agree. and as it was shown in the fight, it wasn't that she is weak. he was just really really strong.
Mc did some cool fights ( valaren , cole and monster deryl) which showed not only his strength but creativity and adaptability mid fight. But indra's sheer output of power was insane (even without his weapon(Vajra?)).
Having mom's special powers would be cool in the future but we need true power like mind breaking or copying to the point where we can use original user's power in full.

By the way what do you choose for Michael? emotion or power?
 
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JicioJ

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Cole's fight is considered a win(even though you don't do it alone). Ella says something along the lines of { Cole should have won, good job beating him, your body will remember it}

I agree. and as it was shown in the fight, it wasn't that she is weak. he was just really really strong.
Mc did some cool fights ( valaren , cole and monster deryl) which showed not only his strength but creativity and adaptability mid fight. But indra's sheer output of power was insane (even without his weapon(Vajra?)).
Having mom's special powers would be cool in the future but we need true power like mind breaking or copying to the point where we can use original user's power in full.

By the way what do you choose for Michael? emotion or power?
emotion cause Bros before Apostlehoes
 

bfc233

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its just been L after L
Have we been playing the same game? MC went on some really dangerous clean up missions. Hell, the outing with Niko was nothing but a show of competence.
Sure, MC had a bad match up within a 2v1 in the twins due to Deryl jobbing hard.
But that went right back into redemption with a bad match up with Cole, who also had a weapon and needed to evolve to not fucking die to MC. And even the freshly evolved Cole with a new shiny weapon, gets potentially threshed by Deryl and MC teaming up. If you've got the skill MC explicitly notes that, with both on no energy, he's winning on sheer skill advantage.

I don't know about you, but MC has been handling the bullshit zone quite well from where I stand.
 

DrakoGhoul

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ngl ever since the mc got his third evolution its just been L after L (in his defence Cole did kinda pull an evolution out his ass and had a weapon too).
Well, let's go down the list and see. I'll exclude fights against sub Level 3 opponents. Because then MC would have too many Ws and it wouldn't be fair to the discussion. That means I'll be excluding monsters below B Class too.

1. MC vs Rebis Deryl (B+ Class) = MC win
2. MC vs Gorgon (B+ Class) = Gorgon win
3. MC vs Asura (A Class, wounded) = MC win with Nico help
4. MC vs Banshee (B Class) = MC win
5. MC vs Silat (A Class) = Silat win, but it wasn't really a fight
6. MC vs Devana, Evander and Shen = Trio win
7. MC vs Valravn (Dream) = Valravn win
8. MC vs Cole (Level 3) = MC win
9. MC vs Spider Lady (B Class) = MC win
10. MC vs Danu (B+ or A Class?) = Draw, Danu win

I might be forgetting some but the tally should be:

Wins: 5 Loses: 4 Draws: 1

So adding whichever ones I missed, MC hasn't really took an L consistently enough for it to be an issue. Just like when he was Level 2, his win to lost ratio has been pretty balanced. MC is actually doing pretty good with how diverse B Class/Level 3 is with varying levels of power.

I think the problem is how WW writes MC during fights. It gives the impression that MC is losing. As in, he puts a lot of emphasize in the dialogue about how MC is struggling or overly explains why it's happening. The Cole fight being one of the main examples, even though MC wasn't struggling as hard as the dialogue made it out to be.
 

Farhan124

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I think the problem is how WW writes MC during fights. It gives the impression that MC is losing. As in, he puts a lot of emphasize in the dialogue about how MC is struggling or overly explains why it's happening.
I think Michael sums up Mc's fighting style quite well.
Michael is a strategist and tries to plan most of his fights( Oscar ,lightning monster and Deryl Chimera ) but Mc and allice both rely on making things as we go and flexibility strategy.
if the strategy isn't explained at all ( we don't have any idea about Mc's head), then the fights would become boring and choosing stuff mid fight wouldn't make much sense
 
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