VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.996 Public] [WeirdWorld]

[RonaldGrand6969]

Boo! Are you all ready for New Years? Got some fun little questions for anyone interested:

Who do you think out of everyone we've met so far; will be the toughest fight in the future?

And my 2nd Question follows similarly; who are you guys looking forward to fighting the most, difficult or otherwise and why? This can even apply to already dead characters at their peak or matched at a higher or lower level, etc. (i.e Lvl 5 Jake vs Lvl 5 MC, Lvl3 Laurie vs Lvl 3 MC, you get the gist).


For my personal picks I obviously am all for Lvl 4 or 5 fights as long as they are equalized. My choices would be MC vs Michael at Lvl 3 (depending on his power, I just love his fighting mannerisms and determination). Lvl 5 Ella vs Lvl 5 MC (an unstoppable force vs an immovable object lol). And as a sidenote I'd love to see Deus take on a few elite H.E.R.O members just to prove me wrong on being "weak" compared to them, foresight is a fun power to watch in combat

 

[Naryelle]

Considering how the update end i think the next big combat booked is MC and his team vs Cole.
I'm also hyped to discover the power of Michael, i imagine either a simple and total brutality power or in a contrary one that so subbtle and non-combat oriented that even after finding it out he gonna struggle to find application though his current way of fighting (that will be so hilarious), but i'm pretty sure his power is gonna be eitheir way nearly cheat in the end, considering who he had it from.

I often see peoples talk about Jake but i don't think he is gonna become that much powerful, after all, in a direct fight while his powers give him unconditional win against weaker opponents, he exhaust himself quick against similars opponents and is useless/dangerous for himself against stronger ones, although its indeed one of the most powerful power, its not a direct combat type one.

Idon't think MC lvl 4 gonna be for this next update, maybe lvl 3 but it would be an to high increase of the rythm if we hit lvl 4 in the same update, that will feel like a rush toward the end.

I don't think the MC is gonna stay that long with H.E.R.O, after all there not that virtuous and there importants things they still hide (If superhumans are the next stage of humanity, why Xanthe, the best scientist in the world and the best expert on the subject, stay human ?) there is definitely a thing that is at best suspicious about them and this thing probably gonna be a reason for the MC to leave.

In fact while i've appreciated the fights so far, its not what's hype me the more, i like to see how peoples finds unexpected applications of their power, in fight or not.

 

[necromater]

Boo! Are you all ready for New Years? Got some fun little questions for anyone interested:

Who do you think out of everyone we've met so far; will be the toughest fight in the future?

And my 2nd Question follows similarly; who are you guys looking forward to fighting the most, difficult or otherwise and why? This can even apply to already dead characters at their peak or matched at a higher or lower level, etc. (i.e Lvl 5 Jake vs Lvl 5 MC, Lvl3 Laurie vs Lvl 3 MC, you get the gist).


For my personal picks I obviously am all for Lvl 4 or 5 fights as long as they are equalized. My choices would be MC vs Michael at Lvl 3 (depending on his power, I just love his fighting mannerisms and determination). Lvl 5 Ella vs Lvl 5 MC (an unstoppable force vs an immovable object lol). And as a sidenote I'd love to see Deus take on a few elite H.E.R.O members just to prove me wrong on being "weak" compared to them, foresight is a fun power to watch in combat

Ella fight gonna be hard eldritch vs eldritch, the most primal battle evolving, adapting as the battle goes on ,the risk of their minds becoming one. the two captains the wind and fire ones strong yes but if the mc can evolve the needed traits they can suck it. Alice, fuck that power is a danger at lvl 1 at lvl 5 most likely she can rip the fabric of space at her will. fuck nico alice can get the whole space power combo.

 

[bebroeater]

Boo! Are you all ready for New Years? Got some fun little questions for anyone interested:

Who do you think out of everyone we've met so far; will be the toughest fight in the future?

And my 2nd Question follows similarly; who are you guys looking forward to fighting the most, difficult or otherwise and why? This can even apply to already dead characters at their peak or matched at a higher or lower level, etc. (i.e Lvl 5 Jake vs Lvl 5 MC, Lvl3 Laurie vs Lvl 3 MC, you get the gist).


For my personal picks I obviously am all for Lvl 4 or 5 fights as long as they are equalized. My choices would be MC vs Michael at Lvl 3 (depending on his power, I just love his fighting mannerisms and determination). Lvl 5 Ella vs Lvl 5 MC (an unstoppable force vs an immovable object lol). And as a sidenote I'd love to see Deus take on a few elite H.E.R.O members just to prove me wrong on being "weak" compared to them, foresight is a fun power to watch in combat

I'm looking forward to the next Michael fight the most. I also wanna see how the MC will deal with Cole, as Ella said a Lvl 2 beating a Lvl 3 is something that happens very rarely. It'd be also nice to see Alice fight somebody stronger than her, maybe even a Lvl 2, considering that she's nearly at her peak Lvl 1.

 

[Alandir]

• Brianna: Police liaison for the Protagonist? At least during the H.E.R.O. arc.

Other characters like Jess (Jared's father's arc?), Tess, the twins, Christy, Emily, etc. will probably be important down the line, but no idea how. Quite a few of them have unused relationship scores. I hope they aren't simply for throwaway lines during the ending...

My guess for Brianna is that she's maybe going to be the "official" girlfriend of the mc's hero persona. The media has that mc appears just in time to save her, has her defending him to the press after the fight, has them have the interview together and he will most likely defend her in the Cole fight.
So might be that the media will spin this in a "She's his girlfriend" way and they will both have to deal with that.

 

[EndlessNights]

And what do you think is the commonly used definition of honor? Personally, am under impression common definition of honor doesn't involve "murdering people who have absolutely no chance to stand up to you, while running with tail behind legs from people who are stronger than you", but perhaps am mistaken, so go ahead; elaborate.

Valravn in RPG terms is definitely more of a thief/rogue than a knight/warrior who specializes in the kind of straight-up, one-on-one, rules-based fighting that is traditionally regarded as honorable combat in human society. One of his basic attacks is a sneaky backstab, he views retreat as a perfectly valid strategy, and he's hard to track down because he's so good at hiding in the shadows. As you mentioned, he seems completely comfortable regarding humans as disposable meat despite their sentience, and he has a special taste for children who are the most vulnerable and least able to resist him. He also seems to feel it is honorable to use any manner of underhanded tactics in a fight while absolutely condemning the acceptance of outside help.

At best, you can say Valravn respects strength alone, but his sense of honor still seems rather self-serving to me. He justifies sneaky attacks and hiding because he has those skills and uses them well. He condemns outside help because he likely doesn't have any friends who'd help him in a fight. I actually prefer the MC's "dishonorable" win because it shows him achieving victory on his own terms and by using human rather than just monster skills (plus, I also really like Brianna -- she was so brave to do what she did and to me she's more of a badass than Valravn could ever hope to be). The MC's social connections end up functioning like a kind of superpower in that one fight. Valravn is hopelessly outmatched by the MC when it comes to social skills.

 

[Lord Kentus]

but his sense of honor still seems rather self-serving to me. skills.

Fairly historically accurate for most professional warriors throughout history.

 

[EndlessNights]

but his sense of honor still seems rather self-serving to me. skills.

Fairly historically accurate for most professional warriors throughout history.

Agreed 100%.

I think it's testament to WeirdWorld's writing ability that he has such a knack for creating morally complex characters like Danica, Ella, and Valravn whose motives we love to ponder and some of us might even find ourselves sympathizing with. They might be dismissed as just villains/obstacles in other VNs, but not here.

By the way, the way you quoted my post has inspired me to start signing my posts in a brand new way!

skills.

 

[DrFree]

Found these typos:

 

[Xx21savagexX]

Damn didn't know retreating to reassess the situation was cowardly let's just go balls to the wall against the enemy we know nothing about

 

[EndlessNights]

Damn didn't know retreating to reassess the situation was cowardly let's just go balls to the wall against the enemy we know nothing about

I think it depends on the context. If you're fighting a war, a strategic retreat at the right moment can save a lot of lives/resources and put your forces in position to win later. On the other hand, if you're a gunslinger in the Old West and back out of a gunfight, you'd likely be considered a coward even if you knew you couldn't win. Or imagine being a samurai who has only trained to fight people who wield one sword. If you turn tail and run as soon you see that you are facing a dual wielding Miyamoto Musashi, that would be perfectly sensible given that you're not adequately prepared for the fight...but it also would be perceived as cowardly and dishonorable in that social context.

The MC often stops to reassess the situation in the fights he's in (even if he has to hide or temporarily retreat to do it), and I wouldn't call that cowardly. However, he also doesn't go around talking about honor all the time and isn't obsessed with trying to prove he's the strongest guy around who would be victorious in any "fair fight"...he mostly just wants to win one way or another.

Valravn has created his own code of honor. By his standards everything he does is honorable and anything his opponent does that he doesn't like is dishonorable. If he had kids, I'm pretty sure they'd be regular posters on /r/raisedbynarcissists.

 

[Xx21savagexX]

I think it depends on the context. If you're fighting a war, a strategic retreat at the right moment can save a lot of lives/resources and put your forces in position to win later. On the other hand, if you're a gunslinger in the Old West and back out of a gunfight, you'd likely be considered a coward even if you knew you couldn't win. Or imagine being a samurai who has only trained to fight people who wield one sword. If you turn tail and run as soon you see that you are facing a dual wielding Miyamoto Musashi, that would be perfectly sensible given that you're not adequately prepared for the fight...but it also would be perceived as cowardly and dishonorable in that social context.

The MC often stops to reassess the situation in the fights he's in (even if he has to hide or temporarily retreat to do it), and I wouldn't call that cowardly. However, he also doesn't go around talking about honor all the time and isn't obsessed with trying to prove he's the strongest guy around who would be victorious in any "fair fight"...he mostly just wants to win one way or another.

Valravn has created his own code of honor. By his standards everything he does is honorable and anything his opponent does that he doesn't like is dishonorable. If he had kids, I'm pretty sure they'd be regular posters on /r/raisedbynarcissists.

I mean Brianna did kinda jump in to beat him after he was already tired we can all say that was dishonorable but valran learned from us anyway since he was a simple bird to begin with so he didn't really create his own code more of he adapted to whatever society code of honor was at the time

 

[FrapFappers]

I have the same issue, but in the files of the game theres images of the fight i havent seen ingame, so there must be something to do to him... i just dont know what

You might need a higher skill level.

 

[FrapFappers]

I named my hero Darklight in my first run and the name stuck so now he is "Darklight" in my head.

Mine is blacklight.

 

[Xx21savagexX]

Mine is blacklight.

Mine is Erebus after the primordial god of darkness in Greek mythology

 

[Bear1]

They are help A LOT. And in combo with huge asses they are completly mvp. The reason why this game catch my eyes 3 times to finally let it a chance.
But yes "vanila bbw" is not popular. And a lot of "naturality" fanatics malding around.

Sorry Drako I wasn't trying to respond to you, it was more towards what brebro was saying. And you're right, the lung thing makes no sense now that I think about it lol.

I didn't say anything about her being the most op either, I just said that she was op, to an extent, but as far as combat goes against another Lvl 5 given certain circumstances, she's probably not on the high board of that spectrum. Wasn't trying be rude so calm down, it was my mistake, you're good bro.

We don't know the full scope of ANY of the lvl 5s, but we do know that without even trying they are ridiculously overpowered. The question becomes who's more capable, because 5 becomes more of a loose title rather than an accurate measurement. There could be something equal to what we would consider lvl 6 within the ranks someone like Nicolette or Bernhard, comparing that to someone like Clark, a basic lvl 5.

More to my point:

At the end of the day, I just don't see some Superhumans holding up in fights, yes they will be significantly stronger than any level below them at 5, but the powers themselves don't magically change into planet busting abilities. Take Del for example, widely considered a utility member, but I could totally see him becoming ridiculously powerful at lvl 5, just not to the extent of a more combat oriented character.

Which begs the question, how does Deus fair? He can see the future yes, and is widely a most useful utility member, but what does that do for combat? You need some pazaz if you're going to damage someone else of your caliber, you can't rely on just your durable body alone. Which is why I think Bernhard is so ridiculous, we don't know if he can use abilities while in his wind state, but I'd say it's safe to say he could, he literally wasn't even trying to beat that Goliath and he did it in less than a heartbeat's worth of effort. Imagine him actually trying to kill Nicolette. What's she gonna do? Teleport more? Can she grab wind? We know her teleporting has limits, she jumps enough eventually she'll just get both her target and herself killed so how does she actually WIN?

Those are just my thoughts, no aggression towards you Drako, you know I love you.


Edit: To add in Nicolette's defense; if someone like that one mentioned captain that could raise the dead was launched into space sure, that would probably be a W or even Deus.

Point's defense; But for other lvl 5s that actually have useful fisticuff DBZ powers, is space really going to stop them? We know space stopped us due to the temperature, lack of oxygen, etc. But becoming level 5 or even 4 defies those points, sooo unless throwing something that can level a nation can just be thrown into space and their ability CAN'T output enough force to just ricochet them off of nothing like Omniman or any other flying superhero, then I'm seeing a fatal flaw in Nico's OPness. To an extent.

you forget the very obvious implications of Nico's powers: she can teleport you FROM anywhere TO anywhere. We haven't been shown any upper limit to the range of her teleportation, which means she could theoretically teleport you into center of Jupiter. Or the sun. Or potentially even into the inside of a black hole. Again we really dont know the range or full extent of her powers so the upper bound of what she can do is basically teleport you to any point in the universe, from any point in the universe, which means her offensive power is basically whatever is the most destructive thing in the universe she can teleport you into.

However even if she cant teleport you that far, at the very least from what we've seen she can teleport you into space, judging from the dead end where MC refuses to work with HERO, she can teleport you into orbit (not sure how far up). At the very least she could teleport you into the center of the earth, where temperatures and pressures are comparable to the surface of the sun. For most I imagine thats an instant KO. Bernhard possibly could survive, we dont know how durable he is.

 

[Ginko357]

Boo! Are you all ready for New Years? Got some fun little questions for anyone interested:

Who do you think out of everyone we've met so far; will be the toughest fight in the future?

And my 2nd Question follows similarly; who are you guys looking forward to fighting the most, difficult or otherwise and why? This can even apply to already dead characters at their peak or matched at a higher or lower level, etc. (i.e Lvl 5 Jake vs Lvl 5 MC, Lvl3 Laurie vs Lvl 3 MC, you get the gist).


For my personal picks I obviously am all for Lvl 4 or 5 fights as long as they are equalized. My choices would be MC vs Michael at Lvl 3 (depending on his power, I just love his fighting mannerisms and determination). Lvl 5 Ella vs Lvl 5 MC (an unstoppable force vs an immovable object lol). And as a sidenote I'd love to see Deus take on a few elite H.E.R.O members just to prove me wrong on being "weak" compared to them, foresight is a fun power to watch in combat

The MC is close to level 3, as we got explained recently level 3 is a lot different from the other evolutions, it doesn't have an upper limit to how powerful you can become, so he might get stuck fighting people at level 3 for a while to then start fighting levels 4s for some time before evolving, as you can compare levels 2, they should be similar in levels, at least how much power they have from a pool to pull from and all that, how they use it is another thing, but you can't judge people for only being a level 3, I think the ones we will meet will vary tremendously, would actually be interesting to evolve to level 4 to be challenged by a level 3 in the future, as the protagonist has been hitting above his weight class for a while and has not gotten than treatment from anybody else really, might be Michael, he would be real comfortable in that level with all his thirst for acquiring strength with his own efforts

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

you forget the very obvious implications of Nico's powers: she can teleport you FROM anywhere TO anywhere. We haven't been shown any upper limit to the range of her teleportation, which means she could theoretically teleport you into center of Jupiter. Or the sun. Or potentially even into the inside of a black hole. Again we really dont know the range or full extent of her powers so the upper bound of what she can do is basically teleport you to any point in the universe, from any point in the universe, which means her offensive power is basically whatever is the most destructive thing in the universe she can teleport you into.

However even if she cant teleport you that far, at the very least from what we've seen she can teleport you into space, judging from the dead end where MC refuses to work with HERO, she can teleport you into orbit (not sure how far up). At the very least she could teleport you into the center of the earth, where temperatures and pressures are comparable to the surface of the sun. For most I imagine thats an instant KO. Bernhard possibly could survive, we dont know how durable he is.

Jesus Christ she's not a fucking GOD, she might not even have one of the Numbered's abilities given how "new" she is compared to the older members and how long the other Numbered have been dead. So she has to have SOME limit.

My GUESS is that as we know; by lvl 4 to 5 you don't really need anything OTHER THAN your energy to live essentially. But the catch is everytime you use that said energy you lose it, and once you spend it all, you die.

Most of the power expendage seem to stand by 2 variables:
1. Using your powers too many times I'm a short period of time, fast or otherwise.
2. Using it bigger than your capabilities. (i.e us making 1 million tentacles or growing to the size of mount everest).

So what is her limit? Distance? Is that it? Cause she seems to be able to teleport like it's her third leg the same way we can shape shift into different people for shits and giggles.

What are y'alls thoughts?
P.S wasn't trying to be mean with the caps just using it as an emphasis.

 

[Ginko357]

Jesus Christ she's not a fucking GOD, she might not even have one of the Numbered's abilities given how "new" she is compared to the older members and how long the other Numbered have been dead. So she has to have SOME limit.

My GUESS is that as we know; by lvl 4 to 5 you don't really need anything OTHER THAN your energy to live essentially. But the catch is everytime you use that said energy you lose it, and once you spend it all, you die.

Most of the power expendage seem to stand by 2 variables:
1. Using your powers too many times I'm a short period of time, fast or otherwise.
2. Using it bigger than your capabilities. (i.e us making 1 million tentacles or growing to the size of mount everest).

So what is her limit? Distance? Is that it? Cause she seems to be able to teleport like it's her third leg the same way we can shape shift into different people for shits and giggles.

What are y'alls thoughts?
P.S wasn't trying to be mean with the caps just using it as an emphasis.

Limit to how much she can teleport, she probably can't teleport something with a too large power pool, at least something that doesn't want to be moved by her, like how Ella is practically unafected by Jake's power even though we haven't really seen her have mental abilities, and she practically tells him that, yeah, when someone is THAT much above you, the power you have doesn't matter, he would expend ALL of his power pool before he could affect her, so it's probably like a Dragon Ball type hax resistance thing, where if you are that much above someone in raw power that their hax doesn't affect you anymore, she she said she could not teleport Valrvn because of the mist thing (In my interpretation is works similarly to Fate Zero's berserker's aura), but it might have something to do with how powerful he was, or once was, how much raw power he can hold, so she needed the protagonist to deplete it to the point she could move it.
A better example, and a more direct one is protag himself, he said something among the lines of the body of those with powers being able to fight back his forceful transformation of others, and when he transforms his friend and he asks if "it's permanent" he responds with "I haven't experimented with permanence before but as your body doesn't have power to fight it back it should be", that might be reffering not to shapeshifting abilities but monster power, as this ability consists of flowing your power to the body of the person and then comandidn it to shape it howhever he wants it, but it's always clear that if this power were to meet resistance from another power pool, it would be A LOT harder, believe Ella stated something like this in the past to the protagonist as well, so it doesn't only apply to Jake's powers, might be a universal constant in this world

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Limit to how much she can teleport, she probably can't teleport something with a too large power pool, at least something that doesn't want to be moved by her, like how Ella is practically unafected by Jake's power even though we haven't really seen her have mental abilities, and she practically tells him that, yeah, when someone is THAT much above you, the power you have doesn't matter, he would expend ALL of his power pool before he could affect her, so it's probably like a Dragon Ball type hax resistance thing, where if you are that much above someone in raw power that their hax doesn't affect you anymore, she she said she could not teleport Valrvn because of the mist thing (In my interpretation is works similarly to Fate Zero's berserker's aura), but it might have something to do with how powerful he was, or once was, how much raw power he can hold, so she needed the protagonist to deplete it to the point she could move it.
A better example, and a more direct one is protag himself, he said something among the lines of the body of those with powers being able to fight back his forceful transformation of others, and when he transforms his friend and he asks if "it's permanent" he responds with "I haven't experimented with permanence before but as your body doesn't have power to fight it back it should be", that might be reffering not to shapeshifting abilities but monster power, as this ability consists of flowing your power to the body of the person and then comandidn it to shape it howhever he wants it, but it's always clear that if this power were to meet resistance from another power pool, it would be A LOT harder, believe Ella stated something like this in the past to the protagonist as well, so it doesn't only apply to Jake's powers, might be a universal constant in this world

Ya but how does that scale with another lvl 5 is my question. Xanthe says that the more lvl 5s we have, the more we can keep each other in check. And while that is true on the surface level. I find a lot hard to beat the usefulness of teleportation. While she may by no means be able to KILL another lvl 5, if you don't have a power say like Klaus's; you're kinda fucked if she flings you into space.

My point being, there has got to be some limit or even weakness (like ours to electricity) that can level her down to being beatable by other lvl 5s.