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True, but, that explains how she changed from that mass of flesh back to normal, and leaves us with a question of why the lvl 3 mustache is still a tree.
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Because Ella put a shit ton of energy into it. The mc thinks this line about fixing tree person:
"(But according to what she told me, he should be able to turn himself back normally if he can focus on taking control of the power, she implanted in him.)"
"(Then again, I'm not sure a tree has that level of consciousness...)"
And the only way to undue would be to counteract the energy ella put into it. The problem for mc is that energy is just so much larger than his.
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The transformation of Gillibrand is another thing. It's not shapeshifting (own body) but transmutation, the power to shape objects or living matter, much like Ella compresses the hobo's body...
Why she was able to do it, that's the conversation about him not evolving, her 5th evolution power could easily overcome his 3rd evolution defenses, he can't return to his original state since his 3rd evolution power can't undo it... Maybe in several sessions with the help of MC. But this is not a matter of extra flesh, it's another skill/power...
From the line you yourself quoted "But according to what she told me, he should be able to turn himself back normally". In the alley where she killed a hobo she explained that once you stop pouring fresh power into the victim the power that's left inside will get absorbed and changes will revert.
So Rules As Written, either Ella is still alive and continues to feed the transformation, or she is simply able to break the rules. We can safely ignore this part: "(Then again, I'm not sure a tree has that level of consciousness...)", when Mc tried to changed the size of Angelinas breasts in the end of her story they reverted instantly, I would remind you that Mc was lvl 2 at the time while Ange was, and still is, a lvl 1 with next to 0 power, that tells us that consciousness doesn't play part in the process, if I recall correctly Ange didn't even understand she did something, reversal of change just happens, it is a natural process and the amount inside doesn't matter.
Your answer hinges on the rule breaking 5th evo, which is fair, but, the simple fact is that it's far more likely that Ella is simply continuing to feed the transformation, this answer doesn't force us to make any guesses based on what is possible and gives us an answer based on what we already know.
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Uhm, no the power was put into it to the transformation (and lost)... Like bending a steel bar, you need a certain amount of energy to change the shape but after that it remains in that form... To return it into the original state you need the same amount of energy to undo it... MC isn't losing energy for transforming Niki either, that energy is just lost...
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Looking at the statement you posted about ella saying new flesh required energy to maintain it, and things like the hobo being turned into a stone you mentioned. I think a distinction needs to be made between creating new flesh/generating additional mass, and transmuting/altering existing flesh/mass.
It would make sense that generating additional mass would require exponentially more energy to maintain as ella explained further in that conversation, but if altering existing mass required a maintence cost in energy, a number of contradictions would pop up.
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one example would be the hobo stone you mentioned. if it had some kind of maintenance cost on it, eventually it would pop back into a beheaded hobo corpse. however ella at that time expressed that it was an ideal way of disposing of and hiding any dead bodies. that wouldn't make any sense if it some point a day/week/month from now it mysteriously turned back into a corpse.
And even if I'm wrong and it has nothing to do with continuing to feed the connection, Mustache man has to have more power than Ella, or at least a close amount. So when the connection is broken and he is fighting the energy left inside of him, he should have won almost immediately, the foreign energy doesn't get any "reinforcement" while he can just produce more.
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i don't think ella is feeding any kind of connection, tree person simple lacks the cognizance to try and push it out himself as pointed out by the mc's quotes in my previous post. And/or gillibrand is simple to weak to push out the energy of a level 5 like ella.
My answer is that since hobo is not a s/h it doesn't need any maintenance. The power is spent on transformation and there is nothing left inside of the victim.
I already answered why consciousness doesn't matter.
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That's true, but that's why i said Ella was able to do it, the level difference between Ella (5th) and Gillibrand (3rd) was why she was able to transmutate him. But regardless of that, how it works remains the same, transmutation needs a certain amount of energy/power to change the object/person and the energy/power is lost in the process... But it remains like that.
The shapeshifting needs power/energy to maintain the extra mass created, as soon you run out of power the extra mass (tentacles, wings, whatever) disappears and you return to your original form/ the form your subconscious thinks is the original form, even when passed out...
Shapeshifting and transforming/transmutation are different skills... They are very similar but don't exactly follow the same rules. With shapeshifting a lot extra mass is created, with transmutation the mass doesn't change that drastically, only the shape does.
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you're right that superhumans naturally resist foreign energies, but mc's ineffectiveness was more likely due to lack of power and inexperience. if it is true that consciousness doesn't matter then after deryl and mc healed laurie's fatal injury, laurie's natural resistance should at some point in the near future have her neck and/or head re-explode.
As I've said, even if I'm wrong, Ella needs to continue feeding the tree energy or whatever energy inside will get overtaken.
Good point, my best answer is that perhaps it doesn't matter since Laurie died from that attack and Mc didn't heal anything he just put the pieces together, all the new flesh was made by Derryl Mc just stitched it together. Or perhaps since she died she no longer has powers and as such can't fight the transformation, but yea, I've got no real answer to that, we will just have to wait and see.
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No, Gillibrand first needs to overcome the resistance from the level difference and at least match the same energy/power to even have a chance... Furthermore he needs to actively or passively be working on returning to his original form...
So if he has healing powers or transmutation powers it would be easier, but if he doesn't have those the process could simply take ages... IF his conscious/subconscious even makes an attempt. If he thinks he's a tree nothing happens....
(same as MC running home in dog form, he never even thought of changing back and taking the subway)
Most important is the fact Gillibrand is a 3rd level turned by a 5th level... And even if another 5th level wants to change him back he/she still needs the skill to do it... Forget about Ella needing power to maintain the changes, she only needed power to change him...
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