VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[OnlineRando]

MC is technically 2nd Gen of the 4th from birth. Syla having him when she was already a spawn of the 4th. However, MC can get infected and rises directly to 1st generation. Being the "true son of an Apostle" according to Aglaecwif.

Very technically, since from everything we know he seems to have been perfectly human prior to being infected. If he had no monster power, he shouldn't even count as any generation.

If he did have monster power, it is debatable whether or not an apostle could infect him again. A normal monster certainly couldn't, but apostles are far from normal monsters.

 

[FakeTemplar]

Just finished playing 0.999 and wow, it was smaller than I expected but still really good! Surprised that Deryl was the one shedding tears in the goodbye scene but I won't judge, I was sad asf myself.

The shopkeeper choices left me curious for the future. I chose to pay for the gold bar because I was low on money and my save was pretty good on Skill I think (58 skill and I focused more on Power, buut 3 Skill points is also a lot if we think about it) but I feel like the main choice there was probably one of the hearts, it felt like a "Look man, you either choose to have a lot of Corruption or none at all, this will be important later on" but who knows, it might just be a way to change routes if you're high corruption and want less or vice-versa.

There's also the Memory of Chaos, that left me thinking if having a lot of Memories and Bodies point is going to be important later on, and these variables only appeared when we got to the Monster world so yeah, sus. Throughout these last updates I gave up the chance of getting more Bodies to make Michael stronger, and gave up some memories to Lethe so I really hope this doesn't comes back to bite me later on.

Anyways, cool update, Alice finally getting a power up and winning a fight! It might not have been a 1v1 but this doesn't matter, what matters is being the one standing in the end.

 

[UncleFappy]

Just finished playing 0.999 and wow, it was smaller than I expected but still really good! Surprised that Deryl was the one shedding tears in the goodbye scene but I won't judge, I was sad asf myself.

If you're on the Alice path, MC's reaction is pretty great as well. I really liked that.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Very technically, since from everything we know he seems to have been perfectly human prior to being infected. If he had no monster power, he shouldn't even count as any generation.

If he did have monster power, it is debatable whether or not an apostle could infect him again. A normal monster certainly couldn't, but apostles are far from normal monsters.

Him being mostly human doesn't really disqualify his status as 2nd Gen. Syla being a Chosen and having him automatically makes him 2nd Gen. He was just one of the weakest 2nd Gen ever with no powers. Generation isn't even based off of power in the first place. It's determined by what created, birth or infected you.

 

[OnlineRando]

Him being mostly human doesn't really disqualify his status as 2nd Gen. Syla being a Chosen and having him automatically makes him 2nd Gen. He was just one of the weakest 2nd Gen ever with no powers. Generation isn't even based off of power in the first place. It's determined by what created, birth or infected you.

He had no connection to the fourth, so I think it's reasonable to say he wasn't a second-generation spawn, at least not in the same way an actual superhuman/monster would be. Family-wise, sure, he would be two generations apart from the fourth, but he isn't a spawn in the first place.

And it's not mostly. Tanos confirmed that MC had been completely human. Unless he was lying, which we have no proof of, I think it's safe to assume he's right, at least at a base level.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

He had no connection to the fourth, so I think it's reasonable to say he wasn't a second-generation spawn, at least not in the same way an actual superhuman/monster would be. Family-wise, sure, he would be two generations apart from the fourth, but he isn't a spawn in the first place.

And it's not mostly. Tanos confirmed that MC had been completely human. Unless he was lying, which we have no proof of, I think it's safe to assume he's right.

Again, it's not about connection or power. Syla being of the 4th as her Chosen automatically makes him 2nd Gen. You already acknowledged this in the first part of this post when you said he is family wise. Now, if you don't want to think of him as 2nd Gen, in the Apostle line sense, you can do whatever you want.

If you still somehow have an issue with my thought process, then I don't know what to tell you. I don't intend on changing it. Maybe I'll have a talk with WW about it to get his thoughts on it at a later date, I suppose. But I don't see my view changing.

 

[thefinalcountdown]

any ETA for the next update?

 

[DrakoGhoul]

any ETA for the next update?

Today is Sunday, or Monday for WW. So either this weekend coming up or early next week. He said end of this month so those are the hot zones for release.

 

[BenoTF25]

2. They have access to an alien power that others don't. The Eye identifies those 3 as incarnations of some sort.
3. The Vestige of Humanity says that Henri possesses the power of a god, similar to how the seahuman king did in the past. This further supports my second point.

I agree with most of your comment, except the point two, Henri is definitely the same that the Sea King was, someone with the Power of a Forgotten Deity's strength born anew, but as far we know, Bernhardt and Malik are other thing entirely, the Eye regard Henri as 'Ascendant yet still unborn', most likely in reference to him having a literal God's power inside him(the god itself or Henri himself being the deity reincarnated), his comments to both Malik and Bernhardt are different, Malik is 'Completed but kept whole by faith', a clear reference to his Religious Beliefs keeping him stable despite his power, and finally Bernhardt is 'Old but somehow unbound', which tbh, I don't know how to interpret it, but doesn't sound like a description on the same vein than Henri, of course, it could be that somehow the three share the power of the Deity(as Malik/Bernhardt both have Fantasy/Truth Traits, which could tie to Henri being the Arbiter of Paradox) but that's just speculation, as of now, Malik and Bernhardt are just mutts that become unnaturally strong not vessels like Henri/Sea King, something that has apparently a precedent according to Syla and her mention of how lesser Spawn can often evolve on unexpected, dangerous ways. This is more of a idea of mine, but as I've mentioned on past instances here on the thread, i feel like the Queen of the Sky wasn't like Henri either, but like Malik/Bernhardt, a Lesser Spawn unnaturally powerful that grow to be as powerful as an Inheritor of a Deity.

 

[BenoTF25]

Apostle Spawns -

1st Apostle = Jake (Greater)

2nd Apostle = Indra (Chosen), Michael (Greater)

3rd Apostle = Ella (Chosen), MC (Greater) (player determined)

4th Apostle = Syla (Former Chosen), MC (Greater)

5th Apostle = Claudia (Greater)

6th Apostle = Aos (Chosen), Alice (New Chosen)

7th Apostle = Valravn (Chosen)

8th Apostle = Tiffany (Greater)

9th Apostle = Eisheth (Chosen)

10th Apostle = Aglaecwif (Chosen)

11th Apostle = Evander (Greater)

12th Apostle = Rebis (Chosen), Devana (Greater)

Something to also keep in mind is all Chosen are Greater Spawns but all Greater Spawns aren't Chosen. Those turned by the Apostles, their Chosen and their Chosen spawns are considered Greater Spawns. But not all of them are Chosen or can become one. It's possible for spawns of Chosen (2nd Generation) to succeed the previous Chosen and even their spawn. Assuming they meet the requirements and maintained everything.

For example, if Alice (2nd Generation) infected someone that was about around the same ballpark as herself with the Ether Trait. They could potentially become a Chosen later. If she died or they manage to beat her. Assuming they fulfill the requirements.

With all of that said. Because I know it's going to be asked. Deryl, Michael and MC can't become Chosen. They're each missing requirements. And yes, even WW said this was so. Not that it was needed because we know Michael wasn't an exact fit for the 2nd. MC having both traits already tells you about it. But he has another route that will allow him to surpass the pure ones by combining them. Deryl messed up when he became a monster and didn't complete his Rebis Ascension.

Other noteworthy or believed Greater Spawns are:

Nico - 3rd or 4th Gen of the 6th via Hexenringe. Which can be 2nd Gen or 3rd Gen depending on who created it.

Elijah - of the 9th line via one Eisheth descendants.

Kira - 2nd Gen of the 12th or 3rd via Goliath?

Deryl - 2nd Gen of the 12th via Rebis.

Tanos - 2nd Gen of the 12th via Rebis.

Shen - 2nd Gen of the 10th via Aglaecwif.

Zack - Of the 5th line. Likely high based off of his powers being so potent.

Clark - Of the 8th line and likely high since his monster is close enough to the 8th for him to share similar powers with Tiffany.

Danica - Of the 11th line but we don't know how high the M65 Gestas was.

You could probably throw a few more in there like Alexis, Lucius and maybe Nyx. But these should be the more "confirmed" greater spawn in the game. As in, they're believably high in the line or their monster were.

I think the definition of Greater Spawn is pretty clear, people that were ascended by the Apostles themselves or if we stretch things a little, people like Alice and Shen, who were infected by a Chosen. All others like Nico, Zack, Alexis, Nyx and Lucius, should be lesser spawn, meaning anyone infected by Monsters with mixed traits, the power wouldn't be an indicative of being a Lesser/Greater Spawn, as according to Syla, lesser Spawn can become very dangerous, since they evolve in unexpected way.

Other thing that might be a signal of a lesser spawn being one, is them having a very specific/rare power that doesn't fit with the Twelve Traits alone, like Pyrokinesis-Pressure Manipulation, Malik and Bernhardt both being very obvious examples of a Lesser Spawn, and even more prime instances of Syla's mention of how they evolve in unexpected, dangerous ways. There are of course other weird cases that may not fit either classification, Kira for one, she's the Spawn of a Colossi, that are purpose growth Monsters, each with a unique power, and if we go with Eisheth's surprised words when understanding what's spawn Kira is, Colossi might not usually have Spawns, and then there is Henri, he has a Deity/Deity's Power within him, not a mutt like the other Captains but certainly not a Greater Spawn either.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I think the definition of Greater Spawn is pretty clear, people that were ascended by the Apostles themselves or if we stretch things a little, people like Alice and Shen, who were infected by a Chosen. All others like Nico, Zack, Alexis, Nyx and Lucius, should be lesser spawn, meaning anyone infected by Monsters with mixed traits, the power wouldn't be an indicative of being a Lesser/Greater Spawn, as according to Syla, lesser Spawn can become very dangerous, since they evolve in unexpected way.

Other thing that might be a signal of a lesser spawn being one, is them having a very specific/rare power that doesn't fit with the Twelve Traits alone, like Pyrokinesis-Pressure Manipulation, Malik and Bernhardt both being very obvious examples of a Lesser Spawn, and even more prime instances of Syla's mention of how they evolve in unexpected, dangerous ways. There are of course other weird cases that may not fit either classification, Kira for one, she's the Spawn of a Colossi, that are purpose growth Monsters, each with a unique power, and if we go with Eisheth's surprised words when understanding what's spawn Kira is, Colossi might not usually have Spawns, and then there is Henri, he has a Deity/Deity's Power within him, not a mutt like the other Captains but certainly not a Greater Spawn either.

Nico is purely space though. There's no other monster mixed with her. Hexenringe aren't like Hex where they have a bit of Time in them. They're made as constructs by Daoine Sidhe as tools to teleport. As far as we know, they're only made with space. Also, Syla said Greater Spawns should be pure. Not that all greater spawns are pure. And if you're just going to stretch it to 2nd Gen, why wouldn't their spawns be considered one too? Especially if they maintained the purity of the core trait with little to no difference? Seems strange to suggest a strong cut off when there's a chance the trait didn't weaken.

I'll have redownload the game and check Syla's portion in Immaterial World again because I feel like there's some context being missed here.

 

[OnlineRando]

Nico is purely space though. There's no other monster mixed with her. Hexenringe aren't like Hex where they have a bit of Time in them. They're made as constructs by Daoine Sidhe as tools to teleport. As far as we know, they're only made with space. Also, Syla said Greater Spawns should be pure. Not that all greater spawns are pure. And if you're just going to stretch it to 2nd Gen, why wouldn't their spawns be considered one too? Especially if they maintained the purity of the core trait with little to no difference? Seems strange to suggest a strong cut off when there's a chance the trait didn't weaken.

I'll have redownload the game and check Syla's portion in Immaterial World again because I feel like there's some context being missed here.

We don't really know the Hexenringe's power makeup. At first, it seems to be purely space, but many powers seem to be purely one thing at first, but their other traits become clearer when you look at the mechanisms and limits of their powers.

Take Deryl for example. His power, at first glance, seems to be purely creation, but it's not as straightforward as Devana's creation. He needs to generate his elixir, then transmute it into something. Devana also seems to just make whatever she wants, while Deryl needs to understand everything he makes.

That, when you look at his trait percentages, makes sense— he creates his elixir (creation), which he can transform (body [body seems to not specifically refer to one's own body, but rather the manipulation of existing bodies matter in general, though it does mainly affect one's body, potentially because of its natural connection with the user's monster power]) into whatever form he understands (memory [addmitably that's more of a stretch since most abilities use the knowledge of the user to an extent, but the elixir can also store knowledge iirc]).

Regarding the Hexenringe (a normal one), my guess would be that it has some amount of body, since its gates are determinant on its rings, which are its body. And to be fair, it's reasonable that most monsters have a certain amount of body in their trait makeup, since the spawns of body are noted to be both the best sexual partners, and almost universally fertile.

 

[KyngC]

We don't really know the Hexenringe's power makeup. At first, it seems to be purely space, but many powers seem to be purely one thing at first, but their other traits become clearer when you look at the mechanisms and limits of their powers.

Take Deryl for example. His power, at first glance, seems to be purely creation, but it's not as straightforward as Devana's creation. He needs to generate his elixir, then transmute it into something. Devana also seems to just make whatever she wants, while Deryl needs to understand everything he makes.

That, when you look at his trait percentages, makes sense— he creates his elixir (creation), which he can transform (body [body seems to not specifically refer to one's own body, but rather the manipulation of existing bodies matter in general, though it does mainly affect one's body, potentially because of its natural connection with the user's monster power]) into whatever form he understands (memory [addmitably that's more of a stretch since most abilities use the knowledge of the user to an extent, but the elixir can also store knowledge iirc]).

Regarding the Hexenringe (a normal one), my guess would be that it has some amount of body, since its gates are determinant on its rings, which are its body. And to be fair, it's reasonable that most monsters have a certain amount of body in their trait makeup, since the spawns of body are noted to be both the best sexual partners, and almost universally fertile.

For the memory part of Deryl, I think the Memory trait also lets you copy mystical or monster-based powers, while Body relates more to physical abilities. I think that's where Deryl's Memory trait comes into play, as we see he can manipulate and generate powers from other monsters, like with his chimera and Mech.

 

[OnlineRando]

For the memory part of Deryl, I think the Memory trait also lets you copy mystical or monster-based powers, while Body relates more to physical abilities. I think that's where Deryl's Memory trait comes into play, as we see he can manipulate and generate powers from other monsters, like with his chimera and Mech.

Monster power based abilities seem to be the domain of, well, power. Memory seems more like the manipulation of information, and we don't have much proof that it has tangible, physical effects (by itself) outside of the Other World, which is basically pure information.

Deryl making his Chimeras probably just comes down to him understanding the properties of certain monsters' monster power, and then using his elixir, which he can turn into supposedly anything, into suitable monster power.

Then again, we don't know a whole lot about memory, so I might be very wrong.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

We don't really know the Hexenringe's power makeup. At first, it seems to be purely space, but many powers seem to be purely one thing at first, but their other traits become clearer when you look at the mechanisms and limits of their powers.

Take Deryl for example. His power, at first glance, seems to be purely creation, but it's not as straightforward as Devana's creation. He needs to generate his elixir, then transmute it into something. Devana also seems to just make whatever she wants, while Deryl needs to understand everything he makes.

That, when you look at his trait percentages, makes sense— he creates his elixir (creation), which he can transform (body [body seems to not specifically refer to one's own body, but rather the manipulation of existing bodies matter in general, though it does mainly affect one's body, potentially because of its natural connection with the user's monster power]) into whatever form he understands (memory [addmitably that's more of a stretch since most abilities use the knowledge of the user to an extent, but the elixir can also store knowledge iirc]).

Regarding the Hexenringe (a normal one), my guess would be that it has some amount of body, since its gates are determinant on its rings, which are its body. And to be fair, it's reasonable that most monsters have a certain amount of body in their trait makeup, since the spawns of body are noted to be both the best sexual partners, and almost universally fertile.

Hexenringes, as far as we know, are constructs made only by Daoine Sidhe. Daoine Sidhe are purely made by Aos and Danu with the 6th's blessing. So unless, for some reason, they decided to get help and add a bunch of other monster parts to it. Hexenringe should be purely of 6th and of space with little to no other portions added. As Nico states that Hexenringes only control space. Hex is the only one that has a Time mutation, according to Xanthe.

For the Hexenringes to have more than space. We would have to assume that Daoine Sidhe themselves were created with more than space as well. Or that they got help from others to make Hexenringes. Which is possible, since there isn't so many of them, but that seems like it would require a bit of guess work.

 

[KyngC]

Monster power based abilities seem to be the domain of, well, power. Memory seems more like the manipulation of information, and we don't have much proof that it has tangible, physical effects (by itself) outside of the Other World, which is basically pure information.

Deryl making his Chimeras probably just comes down to him understanding the properties of certain monsters' monster power, and then using his elixir, which he can turn into supposedly anything, into suitable monster power.

Then again, we don't know a whole lot about memory, so I might be very wrong.

After seeing Sylas fight with Indra, with her using the powers of other Chosens, and the Silat perfectly imitating the powers of those it transforms into, I think Memory has some power-copying capabilities. Power seems to just be about all type of Energy, while Memory is power coping.

 

[OnlineRando]

Hexenringes, as far as we know, are constructs made only by Daoine Sidhe. Daoine Sidhe are purely made by Aos and Danu with the 6th's blessing. So unless, for some reason, they decided to get help and add a bunch of other monster parts to it. Hexenringe should be purely of 6th and of space with little to no other portions added. As Nico states that Hexenringes only control space. Hex is the only one that has a Time mutation, according to Xanthe.

For the Hexenringes to have more than space. We would have to assume that Daoine Sidhe themselves were created with more than space as well. Or that they got help from others to make Hexenringes. Which is possible, since there isn't so many of them, but that seems like it would require a bit of guess work.

Are the Hexenringe artificial? Or are they a natural offspring? Though we don't really know, the Daoine Sidhe should have no way of creating an artificial monster, especially not one with their power.

If they're a natural offspring, then it's easy to see why they'd have body; their parents would have had the ether trait (obviously) and the body trait, for the reasons mentioned above, likely with something else mixed in. The Hexenringes being, according to Ella iirc, more like constructs than living being, doesn't necessarily mean they were constructed. It could very well just be their general properties, like thought process, form, etc.

 

[Gtdead]

That's... a really good point. I hadn't thought of it like that. And everything we've read seems to indicate there's no meaningful difference between an evolution serum for a level 5 and one for any other level. Unfortunately, I think it ultimately has to be chocked up to "WW says it just works".

Since Deryl started messing with it, I have an inkling that it may become a later plot point. However thinking about it in a broader sense, WW has introduced so many monster-related technological concepts through the memory flashbacks to sea/sky humans, that the serum looks like nothing and frankly I don't think that that reaching level 5 is anywhere close to the end game.

The vestige had intimate knowledge of ascension concepts, things that not even the level 5s of current humanity are aware of, and their progress had been ultra slow, depending on Henri who lacked the fine control to explore them. This is an indication that the althumans in general had achieved level 5 on a great scale.

I agree with most of your comment, except the point two, Henri is definitely the same that the Sea King was, someone with the Power of a Forgotten Deity's strength born anew, but as far we know, Bernhardt and Malik are other thing entirely, the Eye regard Henri as 'Ascendant yet still unborn', most likely in reference to him having a literal God's power inside him(the god itself or Henri himself being the deity reincarnated), his comments to both Malik and Bernhardt are different, Malik is 'Completed but kept whole by faith', a clear reference to his Religious Beliefs keeping him stable despite his power, and finally Bernhardt is 'Old but somehow unbound', which tbh, I don't know how to interpret it, but doesn't sound like a description on the same vein than Henri, of course, it could be that somehow the three share the power of the Deity(as Malik/Bernhardt both have Fantasy/Truth Traits, which could tie to Henri being the Arbiter of Paradox) but that's just speculation, as of now, Malik and Bernhardt are just mutts that become unnaturally strong not vessels like Henri/Sea King, something that has apparently a precedent according to Syla and her mention of how lesser Spawn can often evolve on unexpected, dangerous ways. This is more of a idea of mine, but as I've mentioned on past instances here on the thread, i feel like the Queen of the Sky wasn't like Henri either, but like Malik/Bernhardt, a Lesser Spawn unnaturally powerful that grow to be as powerful as an Inheritor of a Deity.

The reason I put all three in the same basket is because the Eye kinda gave them their titles on the spot. So my working theory is that in the beginning, Arbiters were just a fraction of the supreme beings that reigned over the universe/plane/dimension. They had a war/falling out of sorts, Arbiters won, and now the Eye saw something like the incarnations of some of those beings in these 3 superhumans.

I have dismissed the theory of Henri being related to Paradox for a simple reason. Paradox is Truth+Lie. All Pairs have a physical and a mental trait. Truth is the physical trait and Lie is the mental trait.

If Henri had the Lie trait, he would probably had a much easier time navigating the dreamworld, which is sustained by Lie. He seems like he has the Truth trait based on how his power manifests, but I just can't observe the Lie in any shape or form.

 

[OnlineRando]

After seeing Sylas fight with Indra, with her using the powers of other Chosens, and the Silat perfectly imitating the powers of those it transforms into, I think Memory has some power-copying capabilities. Power seems to just be about all type of Energy, while Memory is power coping.

Syla's fight against Indra was in the Other World, which was why I mentioned there being no physical showings for memory outside of it. The Silat is a good point, though we don't have a lot of knowledge about them in general, and for all we know they might have a bit of power/body sprinkled in there.

My theory with the available information would be that power (the trait) by itself isn't capable of reproducing other abilities, and can only interfere with their energy, but by combining power with memory, you can alter (either yours or that of others) monster power's information in some way to allow it to do things it would ordinarily be incapable of... or something.

 

[Gtdead]

I think Memory has the ability to copy powers but with a gist.
It works like a polymorph spell. You can't retain your old powers while polymorphed. You can only use the powers of the new form or revert to your original form. Also if in the mean time your polymorphed form breaks, you take some proportional damage and revert to your original form.

So Memory can't "copy" powers in a broad sense. Only transform to to forms that possess different powers.

The reason I believe this is both the Silat, and Syla's ability to transform at will to random forms like a "young girl" to feed her heart to Valravn, derived from their conversation during MC's dream training. (Remember that her transformation was real, because the age of the heart matters to Valravn and Syla's true age would have been.. millenia)

However since MC has the body trait too, perhaps he may be capable of more.