VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.999] [WeirdWorld]

[KingAgamemnon]

You can’t reach the peak using the serum. The difference between those who evolved naturally and those who used the serum is huge. So no, the MC is not using a serum.

WW has been repeatedly asked this, and said there is no real meaningful difference between artificial evolutions and natural ones. In fact, since some people won't be able to evolve further, due to one reason or another, can still make use of the serum.

The big 3 achieved their evolutions naturally because they are stupidly powerful, they are not stupidly powerful because they achieved their evolutions naturally. From what they mentioned back in the twin arc, while watching Kira and Elijah fighting, Henri and Bernie were as strong those two even at Level 4.

 

[Julius Kingsley]

WW has been repeatedly asked this, and said there is no real meaningful difference between artificial evolutions and natural ones. In fact, since some people won't be able to evolve further, due to one reason or another, can still make use of the serum.

The big 3 achieved their evolutions naturally because they are stupidly powerful, they are not stupidly powerful because they achieved their evolutions naturally. From what they mentioned back in the twin arc, while watching Kira and Elijah fighting, Henri and Bernie were as strong those two even at Level 4.

I won’t lie bro. This whole "he said in a stream," "he was asked," "he told me in a dream" stuff is getting tiring. In the story it is obvious to anyone that the top three and the strongest by far evolved naturally.

It does not make any sense for someone who evolved naturally to have the same strength as someone who just got gifted a serum. I am not saying the MC would not use it but I would hate it. It would feel cheap as fuck.

If fucking Malik evolved naturally then the future ultimate life form is fucking evolving naturally too.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I won’t lie bro. This whole "he said in a stream," "he was asked," "he told me in a dream" stuff is getting tiring. In the story it is obvious to anyone that the top three and the strongest by far evolved naturally.

It does not make any sense for someone who evolved naturally to have the same strength as someone who just got gifted a serum. I am not saying the MC would not use it but I would hate it. It would feel cheap as fuck.

If fucking Malik evolved naturally then the future ultimate life form is fucking evolving naturally too.

Personally, I actually think in future it will be a pretty neat fail condition. We already know WW is hiding a bunch of variables in all of our playthroughs that he could combine together to determine if we evolve naturally at a critical moment. That way, if we fail, we can resort to the artificial evolution, albeit with some consequences for failing to evolve when we could have. And we can still continue the story as a Level 5 regardless if we fail the requirements or not.

 

[BobCarter]

probably cause the complete story will mostly likely be like 4 or 5G since it has a lot of art work music and routes already.i mean for god sake the dead end sections take a good bit of time to do and write

A lot of it is reused, plus no really much music added. Routes in themselves don't take too much space, the art assets are what takes the bulk of said space.

I also don't think 5 gigs is much space, nor is there a size limit anywhere near that for Ren'Py.

 

[Word-Vomiter-Supreme]

I dont know if this has been discussed yet but my mind is going in tumbles.

Spoiler: Rant about Syla for prosperity

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Also about this ending I hope its only about ending this "Part" instead of the entire story since it seems like there literally thousands of other things to explore and investigate. Like MC(I call Willhelm of Brothers Grimm) unlocking more of his powers and how he supposedly is one of the first of his kind. A son of both Mind from his Mother's bloodline as a Champion and Body from his Progenitor.

 

[INquiop]

Hey does anyone hope that the women who where still on earth are completely changed since everything is changed there, plus who knows how long we were gone we could have been gone for like a decade or something. Imagine WW dropping that bombshell on as as soon as the update comes since it can be explained with time moved differently there then it does here u know the usual b.s to get the plot rolling without to much exposition

 

[Grimnir098]

I won’t lie bro. This whole "he said in a stream," "he was asked," "he told me in a dream" stuff is getting tiring. In the story it is obvious to anyone that the top three and the strongest by far evolved naturally.

I believe WW actually said in a stream that it would be better to use the serum than not, because a natural evolution carries a not insignificant risk of corruption and becoming a monster.

You don't need to take anyone's word about what WW said, though. You can look at what's been said in-game.
Bernhardt literally raises this point when he and Henri are watching Kira and Elijah spar. Henri disagrees, pointing out that he, Bernhardt and Malik were different even before they reached level 5.

I have little doubt the reason, or at least one of the reasons, that those three are so much stronger is because they've done the trials, just like MC (the Apostle dreams) and Michael have done.

It does not make any sense for someone who evolved naturally to have the same strength as someone who just got gifted a serum. I am not saying the MC would not use it but I would hate it. It would feel cheap as fuck.

If fucking Malik evolved naturally then the future ultimate life form is fucking evolving naturally too.

I don't think you understand evolution.
First of all, it's not any kind of indication of skill or talent that you evolve before someone else. It's literally random. This has been stated in-game multiple times.
Secondly, the serum is a *form* of natural evolution. One way to evolve is to ingest a lot of monster material. This is what the MC did (unintentionally) when he fought Deryl and how he reached level 3. This is also what the serum does, just better because Xanthe refines the material so it doesn't corrupt you.

With all that said, while I don't know if MC will use the serum to evolve, I doubt he'll do it 5 days after he reaches level 4.

 

[Grimnir098]

I dont know if this has been discussed yet but my mind is going in tumbles.

Spoiler: Rant about Syla for prosperity

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Also about this ending I hope its only about ending this "Part" instead of the entire story since it seems like there literally thousands of other things to explore and investigate. Like MC(I call Willhelm of Brothers Grimm) unlocking more of his powers and how he supposedly is one of the first of his kind. A son of both Mind from his Mother's bloodline as a Champion and Body from his Progenitor.

The reason you obtained some part of "Mind" (it's Memory) is because each Apostle has access to their twin's trait. In Body's case, that's Memory. This is why you can choose to be infected by Memory, and you will still have all the same powers if you do.

If you're paying attention to the infection scenes, you can actually see them use both traits. Body tries to read MC's mind but has to make physical contact to do so, while Memory shapeshifts into a bimbo monster.

 

[BobCarter]

Hey does anyone hope that the women who where still on earth are completely changed since everything is changed there, plus who knows how long we were gone we could have been gone for like a decade or something. Imagine WW dropping that bombshell on as as soon as the update comes since it can be explained with time moved differently there then it does here u know the usual b.s to get the plot rolling without to much exposition

Well that'd be a grime outlook, since that means no more superhumans. You need Pure Humans for reproduction of the human race.

 

[Word-Vomiter-Supreme]

The reason you obtained some part of "Mind" (it's Memory) is because each Apostle has access to their twin's trait. In Body's case, that's Memory. This is why you can choose to be infected by Memory, and you will still have all the same powers if you do.

If you're paying attention to the infection scenes, you can actually see them use both traits. Body tries to read MC's mind but has to make physical contact to do so, while Memory shapeshifts into a bimbo monster.

Ah that makes sense and also explains how dear old mom was able to grow tentacles. So because of us being infected by a progenitor we have access to both parts of Body and Memory(On that note do we know anyone who also got infected by a Apostle?). I was mostly running off of how Michael and Alice theorize how their powers and superhuman status may have been influenced by them growing up with refined Monster blood in their blood as it may have been a part of why Alice was so compatible with her power (Confirmed). So MC who is born from one of the highest-ranking monster's could have changed him even if his mom's didn't manifest much in him physically.

That and my memory may bit wonky as Syla also talked about how we were "focusing on Grandpa too much" and ignoring "Grandma" which made me think some stuff.

 

[Gtdead]

I won’t lie bro. This whole "he said in a stream," "he was asked," "he told me in a dream" stuff is getting tiring. In the story it is obvious to anyone that the top three and the strongest by far evolved naturally.

This is a correlation-causation thing and a common point for lore mistakes. Their natural evolution isn't the only unique thing about them.
1. They (probably) completed their trials. We don't know the effect of that but Ella seems to indicate that it's important in a hush hush manner.
2. They have access to an alien power that others don't. The Eye identifies those 3 as incarnations of some sort.
3. The Vestige of Humanity says that Henri possesses the power of a god, similar to how the seahuman king did in the past. This further supports my second point.
4. There is dialogue where Bernhardt expresses dissatisfaction with the serum, but Henri disagrees, attempting to say that those 3 were different "even before...". The assumption is that he means before level 5 since it's the most relevant thing to say in this particular conversation. This is a strong indicator that whatever special power they have, existed before their evolution or perhaps the completion of the trials.
5. Henri during a library encounter makes a remark about losing control of his powers. Additionally those 3 look very distinct, like they have been affected somehow by their powers in a different manner than everyone else. Sadly we don't have a timeline for this, but it may be an indication of something more important.

Additionally, we have quite a few scenes that add credibility to the serum being perfectly fine.
1. Michael's and Tiffany's evolution were extraordinary. They looked significantly stronger than when MC evolved to level 2.
2. Xanthe claims that he uses the concept of an already existing and well documented evolution method.

So it's not about what WW said. It's about WW's statement supporting the.. obvious theory.. at this point. Those 3 are unique and the real question is both "why them" and "was it a coincidence for so much power to be concentrated on this point in time, or planned?".

The real "inconsistency" at this point is how Xanthe's serum allows one to evolve to level 5, when it doesn't seem possible through monster material consumption. Though perhaps this is a matter of corruption and/or scarcity, considering that perhaps unless you "purify" the material somehow, the density/concentration isn't good enough to allow a level 4 to evolve. But that's a theory that I can't support in any way.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Ah that makes sense and also explains how dear old mom was able to grow tentacles. So because of us being infected by a progenitor we have access to both parts of Body and Memory(On that note do we know anyone who also got infected by a Apostle?). I was mostly running off of how Michael and Alice theorize how their powers and superhuman status may have been influenced by them growing up with refined Monster blood in their blood as it may have been a part of why Alice was so compatible with her power (Confirmed). So MC who is born from one of the highest-ranking monster's could have changed him even if his mom's didn't manifest much in him physically.

That and my memory may bit wonky as Syla also talked about how we were "focusing on Grandpa too much" and ignoring "Grandma" which made me think some stuff.

MC, Jake, Michael, Valravn, Ella, Tiffany, and Claudia were all turned by an Apostle or one of their corpses.
Shen, Alice, Deryl, and Tanos were turned by Chosen.
I don't recall any others off the top of my head.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

The real "inconsistency" at this point is how Xanthe's serum allows one to evolve to level 5, when it doesn't seem possible through monster material consumption. Though perhaps this is a matter of corruption and/or scarcity, considering that perhaps unless you "purify" the material somehow, the density/concentration isn't good enough to allow a level 4 to evolve. But that's a theory that I can't support in any way.

That's... a really good point. I hadn't thought of it like that. And everything we've read seems to indicate there's no meaningful difference between an evolution serum for a level 5 and one for any other level. Unfortunately, I think it ultimately has to be chocked up to "WW says it just works".

 

[UncleFappy]

That's... a really good point. I hadn't thought of it like that. And everything we've read seems to indicate there's no meaningful difference between an evolution serum for a level 5 and one for any other level. Unfortunately, I think it ultimately has to be chocked up to "WW says it just works".

Are we sure there is only one serum? We do know that Xanthe has to tweak and tailor the serum for each superhuman to lessen the chances of monsterfying. Technically that already makes the existing serum a multitude of different serums, with all the variations that come from tweaking and altering it on a per-person-basis.

So maybe the level 5 serum is not the same as the level 4-and-under one. Hitting level 5 requires a better, more potent serum or something.

 

[Jonathan Y]

Well that'd be a grime outlook, since that means no more superhumans. You need Pure Humans for reproduction of the human race.

Or you could do the Mc's way and fuck any monster chick remotely humanoid looking, I don't think there has been a answer as to what offspring mating beetwen a Superhuman and a monster produces, could be another superhuman or a monster depending and how strong the genes from either are.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Or you could do the Mc's way and fuck any monster chick remotely humanoid looking, I don't think there has been a answer as to what offspring mating beetwen a Superhuman and a monster produces, could be another superhuman or a monster depending and how strong the genes from either are.

WW said it's either a human or a monster, never a superhuman.

 

[okokok]

We know Henri got to 5 in 5 days but is there anything saying how long it took Bernie and Malik to get there? If they were sitting at level 4 for decades that would make them being stronger at 4 than Kira and Elijah are at 5 even more of a no-brainer

 

[Jonathan Y]

WW said it's either a human or a monster, never a superhuman.

Oh he did ? Damn,

 

[KingAgamemnon]

We know Henri got to 5 in 5 days but is there anything saying how long it took Bernie and Malik to get there? If they were sitting at level 4 for decades that would make them being stronger at 4 than Kira and Elijah are at 5 even more of a no-brainer

no clue. all we know is Henri got there first, then he taught Bernie and Malik how to do it.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

(On that note do we know anyone who also got infected by a Apostle?).

Apostle Spawns -

1st Apostle = Jake (Greater)

2nd Apostle = Indra (Chosen), Michael (Greater)

3rd Apostle = Ella (Chosen), MC (Greater) (player determined)

4th Apostle = Syla (Former Chosen), MC (Greater)

5th Apostle = Claudia (Greater)

6th Apostle = Aos (Chosen), Alice (New Chosen)

7th Apostle = Valravn (Chosen)

8th Apostle = Tiffany (Greater)

9th Apostle = Eisheth (Chosen)

10th Apostle = Aglaecwif (Chosen)

11th Apostle = Evander (Greater)

12th Apostle = Rebis (Chosen), Devana (Greater)

Something to also keep in mind is all Chosen are Greater Spawns but all Greater Spawns aren't Chosen. Those turned by the Apostles, their Chosen and their Chosen spawns are considered Greater Spawns. But not all of them are Chosen or can become one. It's possible for spawns of Chosen (2nd Generation) to succeed the previous Chosen and even their spawn. Assuming they meet the requirements and maintained everything.

For example, if Alice (2nd Generation) infected someone that was about around the same ballpark as herself with the Ether Trait. They could potentially become a Chosen later. If she died or they manage to beat her. Assuming they fulfill the requirements.

With all of that said. Because I know it's going to be asked. Deryl, Michael and MC can't become Chosen. They're each missing requirements. And yes, even WW said this was so. Not that it was needed because we know Michael wasn't an exact fit for the 2nd. MC having both traits already tells you about it. But he has another route that will allow him to surpass the pure ones by combining them. Deryl messed up when he became a monster and didn't complete his Rebis Ascension.

Other noteworthy or believed Greater Spawns are:

Nico - 3rd or 4th Gen of the 6th via Hexenringe. Which can be 2nd Gen or 3rd Gen depending on who created it.

Elijah - of the 9th line via one Eisheth descendants.

Kira - 2nd Gen of the 12th or 3rd via Goliath?

Deryl - 2nd Gen of the 12th via Rebis.

Tanos - 2nd Gen of the 12th via Rebis.

Shen - 2nd Gen of the 10th via Aglaecwif.

Zack - Of the 5th line. Likely high based off of his powers being so potent.

Clark - Of the 8th line and likely high since his monster is close enough to the 8th for him to share similar powers with Tiffany.

Danica - Of the 11th line but we don't know how high the M65 Gestas was.

You could probably throw a few more in there like Alexis, Lucius and maybe Nyx. But these should be the more "confirmed" greater spawn in the game. As in, they're believably high in the line or their monster were.