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Both iron and carbon are present in the human body, so it makes sense that he would be able to shapeshift into steel by removing the impurities in the iron and combining it with carbon.
He probably doesn't do it via that process, though. The concentration of iron in the human body is so low that if he was making iron-containing proteins and rearranging the iron in them into steel it would create enormous amounts of waste. Kilograms of carbon and nitrogren for every gram of iron. I think the MC is just producing the steel directly, and iron being naturally occurring in human bodies was just a prerequisite for him to make it.
 

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People misusing the term "plot armour" is my pet peeve.
That was not plot armour, it was pretty well-explained why Jake's commands were ineffective on Deryl.
It was explained but that doesn't change that it felt like it worked that way primarily as a form of plot armor. The reasoning just didn't work for me and so it felt like an excuse for Deryl not to quickly lose to Jake's power, if the clones where being remote controlled or something but their actual conscious was in their bodies. Its not that big a deal but this is my opinion on it.
 

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In regards to him saying he could probably beat us now...
The biggest downfall of Jake was his mindset and it did not fit him at all, simply bad writing. If it was given to anyone with decent intelligence but a fucking anime cringelord mindset then they would have accomplished far more than Jake. I'm sure they would make a lot more mistakes than Jake but throughout these mistakes they would learn how and where to use their powers. Meanwhile Jake was a bitch for 80% of the time and only "locked-in" at the last 20%.
 
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If I remember right it was commanding Mia to forget seeing him use his powers on Deryl that pushed him to level 2. Trying to do that with Authority instead of Memory was enough of a strain that it triggered an evolution. Which then caused him to screw up doing it from the unexpected power spike, thus Mia's brain getting fried.

As for level 3, that was overusing his powers during the missions he's been sent on during the invasion. So it's only kind of unearned. Out of universe it can feel that way, since it all happened off-screen. In universe, he did earn it by being in the thick of some really nasty combat.

I hope we do get the chance to put his powers to the challenge. We've got a major villain with the same abilities as Jake. It would make sense to have some training scene variations based on if Jake survives, where the MC tests his mental defenses against him instead of developing them on his own.
Thanks, I'm quite curious about Black Mouth, so far he seems to operate by possesing more than by using power words, we could see a fight where he switches through multiple vessels.
 

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Thanks, I'm quite curious about Black Mouth, so far he seems to operate by possesing more than by using power words, we could see a fight where he switches through multiple vessels.
If I'm not mistaken, there are three scenes of a Chosen fighting and killing a Body Chosen, a Dark Chosen, and I believe a Destruction Chosen, and it's implied Black Mouth was the one killing them.
 

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I'm a bit confused—if I remember right, Ella is the Chosen of the Body, but I thought only monsters could be chosen. Is that not the case?
 

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Another thing, am I the only one who finds it weird that the level 5 is the ultimate form? By default, every monster should want its spawns to also become monsters, so the monster form should theoretically be the apex of a superhuman. Evolving up to level 4 makes sense, but evolving to level 5 without turning into a monster should be nearly impossible, as it’s the last chance for a superhuman to become a monster and potentially the strongest one possible.
A level 5 should still be overpowered, but turning into a monster during the evolution to level 5 feels like it should be the "perfect form."
I started reflecting on the strongest monsters we know, and no matter how powerful or intelligent they may be, the fact that they are monsters and not superhumans means that they all turn out to be failures, and it's feels wrong in some way.
 
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Didn't (doll)Ella turn her skin into teflon when she fought that A-rank monster in the monster world? Unless I remember wrong, or WW decide to change/retcon it, then artificial and non-organic/"natural" material is definitely possible. At least for a evo4 body spawn.
 
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Didn't (doll)Ella turn her skin into teflon when she fought that A-rank monster in the monster world? Unless I remember wrong, or WW decide to change/retcon it, then artificial and non-organic/"natural" material is definitely possible. At least for a evo4 body spawn.
She did, but teflon is made entirely out of elements that are present in the body. As Ella describes it, it's not that she and the MC are limited to organic material, it's that they're limited to using the elements that are part of a human body. Nearly every polymer is going to be available for her and the MC to use, there are very few that incorporate elements that aren't found in organic life.
 

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She did, but teflon is made entirely out of elements that are present in the body. As Ella describes it, it's not that she and the MC are limited to organic material, it's that they're limited to using the elements that are part of a human body. Nearly every polymer is going to be available for her and the MC to use, there are very few that incorporate elements that aren't found in organic life.
When she said that, did she already know about his memory powers? Because from my point of view, the MC can easily pass this barrier thanks to the other half of his powers.
 
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When she said that, did she already know about his memory powers? Because from my point of view, the MC can easily pass this barrier thanks to the other half of his powers.
She did not. And there is some evidence that the MC can use elements outside of the human norm. His rhino form has a tungsten horn, and there's no tungsten in the human body. It's possible he's just drawing mass from the orb Deryl gave him, Deryl uses tungsten for his cannon shells so there's probably a supply in there. But I'd expect him to comment on it when transforming if that was the case.
 

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I took a look at the wikipedia page "Composition of the human body" and fluorine, which together with carbon makes teflon, is supposedly essential in humans. I guess I just knew it as being toxic but there you go.
I'm guessing any material that is essential and all their potential combinations would therefore be accessible to a pure-ish body spawn. Which explains why titanium and tungsten, which are non-essential, are a no-go. A lot of very reactive material are labeled essential so a magnesium/lithium based burn seem at least plausible, not to mention hydrogen. Though how efficient that would be in energy use is questionable.
 
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Another thing, am I the only one who finds it weird that the level 5 is the ultimate form? By default, every monster should want its spawns to also become monsters, so the monster form should theoretically be the apex of a superhuman. Evolving up to level 4 makes sense, but evolving to level 5 without turning into a monster should be nearly impossible, as it’s the last chance for a superhuman to become a monster and potentially the strongest one possible.
A level 5 should still be overpowered, but turning into a monster during the evolution to level 5 feels like it should be the "perfect form."
I started reflecting on the strongest monsters we know, and no matter how powerful or intelligent they may be, the fact that they are monsters and not superhumans means that they all turn out to be failures, and it's feels wrong in some way.
Well, evolving naturally to level 5 is quite unlikely, only 3 people have done that, Henri first, then Bernhardt and Malik, I don't remember if Ella's qualifies. So it must be something really exclusive, and not without risk. And the point of infecting a human, if I'm not mistaken, is to fulfill a purpose, the perfect form is a mean to see it done, so its probably fine to stay a superhuman.
 
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I took a look at the wikipedia page "Composition of the human body" and fluorine, which together with carbon makes teflon, is supposedly essential in humans. I guess I just knew it as being toxic but there you go.
I'm guessing any material that is essential and all their potential combinations would therefore be accessible to a pure-ish body spawn. Which explains why titanium and tungsten, which are non-essential, are a no-go. A lot of very reactive material are labeled essential so a magnesium/lithium based burn seem at least plausible, not to mention hydrogen. Though how efficient that would be in energy use is questionable.
Yeah, the MC should have access to plenty of explosives and incendiaries. I figure that he just hasn't yet because that's not a direction Weird is interested in taking his powers. Maybe some day, when the MC goes into space. I figure he will eventually, with S.I.N. being on Mars and the foreshadowing of the Qlippoth coming down from the moon. Then the MC would need rocket propulsion, since wings don't work well in thin/no atmosphere, and turning a rocket into a bomb isn't hard.
 

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The biggest downfall of Jake was his mindset and it did not fit him at all, simply bad writing. If it was given to anyone with decent intelligence but a fucking anime cringelord mindset then they would have accomplished far more than Jake. I'm sure they would make a lot more mistakes than Jake but throughout these mistakes they would learn how and where to use their powers. Meanwhile Jake was a bitch for 80% of the time and only "locked-in" at the last 20%.
I think you are conveniently forgetting the major influence that made Jake the way he is in the story. Most things he does in the story are only because of Ella (Deryl's mind control, fighting with the MC, etc.). If he didn't obey, She would kill him and everyone he cares about. I don't think that anybody in Jake position would be in good mindset using "authority" when you are completely under authority of Ella. Unlike the MC, whom she managed with a more hands-off approach, Jake transformation was meant only to be used by her to do what she wanted.
 

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I think you are conveniently forgetting the major influence that made Jake the way he is in the story. Most things he does in the story are only because of Ella (Deryl's mind control, fighting with the MC, etc.). If he didn't obey, She would kill him and everyone he cares about. I don't think that anybody in Jake position would be in good mindset using "authority" when you are completely under authority of Ella. Unlike the MC, whom She managed with a more hands-off approach, Jake transformation was meant only to be used by her to do what she wanted.
I think it was intentional on her part. Jake had so much potential.
If he had grown properly, he could have been a real threat to her.
 
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I took a look at the wikipedia page "Composition of the human body" and fluorine, which together with carbon makes teflon, is supposedly essential in humans. I guess I just knew it as being toxic but there you go.
I'm guessing any material that is essential and all their potential combinations would therefore be accessible to a pure-ish body spawn. Which explains why titanium and tungsten, which are non-essential, are a no-go. A lot of very reactive material are labeled essential so a magnesium/lithium based burn seem at least plausible, not to mention hydrogen. Though how efficient that would be in energy use is questionable.
WW has gone on record saying that any time it's said WW transforms into titanium, it's a typo and actually should be tungsten. So it seems pretty clear he can turn into it.
 
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