VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99999b] [WeirdWorld]

[Dack_Dadgers]

I'm a bit confused—if I remember right, Ella is the Chosen of the Body, but I thought only monsters could be chosen. Is that not the case?

Another thing, am I the only one who finds it weird that the level 5 is the ultimate form? By default, every monster should want its spawns to also become monsters, so the monster form should theoretically be the apex of a superhuman. Evolving up to level 4 makes sense, but evolving to level 5 without turning into a monster should be nearly impossible, as it’s the last chance for a superhuman to become a monster and potentially the strongest one possible.
A level 5 should still be overpowered, but turning into a monster during the evolution to level 5 feels like it should be the "perfect form."
I started reflecting on the strongest monsters we know, and no matter how powerful or intelligent they may be, the fact that they are monsters and not superhumans means that they all turn out to be failures, and it's feels wrong in some way.

What I suspect to be the case is that to the apostles the distinction between superhuman and monster doesn't really exist, because superhumans are just larval monsters and even level 5's given enough time and the right circumstances will eventually monsterfy. Additionally, unless W.W. definitively stated so (I haven't caught all his livestreams, but from what I have seen he tends to give vague, halfhearted or mildly trolling answers to unrevealed lore questions) we don't know if level 5 is even the final possible evolution, just the highest one HERO knows about. I know Ella states level 5 is when a superhuman fully gains the attention of the higher powers, but I can't recall if she ever states it is the pinnacle of evolution. Only that she seems assured that because she didn't gain a specific ability (solid memory powers?) on her fifth evolution that it is too late to get the specific ability she wanted.

 

[@ravens@]

I think it was intentional on her part. Jake had so much potential.
If he had grown properly, he could have been a real threat to her.

This doesn't make much sense, she herself states that even if she and the MC end up on opposite sides she will still support him and the MC is a big threat to her after all he is the chosen one of an origin.

 

[johndqdo]

even level 5's given enough time and the right circumstances will eventually monsterfy.

Oh, this is new to me. Can you tell me where it was mentioned?

This doesn't make much sense, she herself states that even if she and the MC end up on opposite sides she will still support him and the MC is a big threat to her after all he is the chosen one of an origin.

Yeah, but the MC and her have some sort of history, and considering the uniqueness of the MC, I can see him being an exception.

 

[Dareken]

This doesn't make much sense, she herself states that even if she and the MC end up on opposite sides she will still support him and the MC is a big threat to her after all he is the chosen one of an origin.

We don't know what Ella plan is, and MC being on opposite side doesn't mean being againts Ella goals, and the fact that she never even tried make MC side with her and let him join h.e.r.o. shows that (There is also possibility that the MC being on opposite side is what Ella needs for her plan).

I think it was intentional on her part. Jake had so much potential.
If he had grown properly, he could have been a real threat to her.

Of course that was intentional. Everything from the moment Jake takes her pill to the final fight with the MC was orchestrated by her. Jake was only a pawn whose sole purpose was to do what she needed: thrall Deryl so she could use his creation powers, use Jake's powers to sneak into H.E.R.O. to get the evolution serum, etc. He was then finally used to fight the MC, after which she didn't care if he was alive or dead. The way she made Jake do what she wanted was designed to ensure he would only be able to perform the specific tasks she required. After that, he lost all drive to become someone who could ever threaten her.

 

[Dack_Dadgers]

Oh, this is new to me. Can you tell me where it was mentioned?

I am theorizing on the nature of the rules and the motives of the deities. To my knowledge it is neither stated (by a reliable narrator) that level 5 superhumans can or cannot monsterfy.

 

[kazuan]

WW has gone on record saying that any time it's said WW transforms into titanium, it's a typo and actually should be tungsten. So it seems pretty clear he can turn into it.

I'm assuming he specified tungsten instead of titanium because it's 4 times denser and really durable. Though if he can make tungsten which is supposedly just an impurity biologically speaking and relatively far down on the periodic table then it is frankly a tossup of what he can and cannot transform into.
Actually thinking about it maybe there isn't really a hard limit. Liquids are tough because it makes cohesion more difficult, though memory helps. Gases are even more difficult and has more limited practical use for the MCs purposes. Solids are easy but could potentially be toxic or just damaging depending on how much of something he makes. Turning into radioactive material doesn't exactly make all your organic bits immune to radiation.
Maybe it all just comes down to pragmatism: Limited chemistry/material science knowhow, limited time, limited practice. Improve on what works until you happen to find/need something better, then just improve on that.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I'm assuming he specified tungsten instead of titanium because it's 4 times denser and really durable. Though if he can make tungsten which is supposedly just an impurity biologically speaking and relatively far down on the periodic table then it is frankly a tossup of what he can and cannot transform into.
Actually thinking about it maybe there isn't really a hard limit. Liquids are tough because it makes cohesion more difficult, though memory helps. Gases are even more difficult and has more limited practical use for the MCs purposes. Solids are easy but could potentially be toxic or just damaging depending on how much of something he makes. Turning into radioactive material doesn't exactly make all your organic bits immune to radiation.
Maybe it all just comes down to pragmatism: Limited chemistry/material science knowhow, limited time, limited practice. Improve on what works until you happen to find/need something better, then just improve on that.

There was a scene where Xanthe gives MC a bunch of kevlar stuff, and MC says something to the effect of "I can store their structure but can't really use it", and the scene ends with MC theorizing he might one day be able to do something were he stronger.

 

[MrFranky26]

pacing was too slow

Ppl who like chinese stuff on novels sites, also mention it. They like mc become stronk - fast and furious.
But i like the start: lore about wordbuilding, detective part, also mc more carefull the usual one(as he should be, when anything one shot or corrupt you)

Then the anime came out...

Mann i missed it, as i missed last chapter of superhuman Pc is broken and new work eat all my time... I only calm down my self, what i get 2 chapters of sh and summer season of serials at autumn

 

[Big_I_Guy]

Well, evolving naturally to level 5 is quite unlikely, only 3 people have done that, Henri first, then Bernhardt and Malik, I don't remember if Ella's qualifies. So it must be something really exclusive, and not without risk. And the point of infecting a human, if I'm not mistaken, is to fulfill a purpose, the perfect form is a mean to see it done, so its probably fine to stay a superhuman.

Ella doesn't count, she used the serum to hit lvl 5. I do assume that the monster world had two though before it was conquered, the king of the sea people and the queen of the sky people.

 

[tulbar]

Probably a stupid question that has been asked already, but I was unable to find it. Is there an option to check what day is it? I mean is there any ingame day count? And if there is, where?

 

[devilsdetails]

Probably a stupid question that has been asked already, but I was unable to find it. Is there an option to check what day is it? I mean is there any ingame day count? And if there is, where?

There isnt but if you have enabled console you can just open it and type day.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Anybody else think it's kinda crazy that in one of the earlier dead ends, where MC monsterfies due to Kenny, that Alexis and Clark have to specifically call Malik in to deal with him?

 

[johndqdo]

Anybody else think it's kinda crazy that in one of the earlier dead ends, where MC monsterfies due to Kenny, that Alexis and Clark have to specifically call Malik in to deal with him?

Now that you brought it up, can anyone explain what exactly happened in that dead end? Did the MC evolve and monsterfies, or did the monster straight up turn him into a monster?

 

[Er Pisha Jimeno]

Now that you brought it up, can anyone explain what exactly happened in that dead end? Did the MC evolve and monsterfies, or did the monster straight up turn him into a monster?

You really shouldn't have mind controlling oil for dinner.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Now that you brought it up, can anyone explain what exactly happened in that dead end? Did the MC evolve and monsterfies, or did the monster straight up turn him into a monster?

When I asked WW about why MC doesn't do the unfeeling thing like the Dead End, he said something along the lines of the monster MC became there was different. I assume it's in reference to the fact that his tail took on all of his negative emotions and gained sentience.

As for why Lexi and Clark couldn't kill him when they were Level 4. I assume it's just some early game errors. Since WW didn't intend for the scope of the game to be on certain scales. For example, I don't even think Lexi and Clark levels were decided by that point. Since it's the first dead end of the game. Which was like the 2nd or 3rd update.

Similar to how full power Lexi, while amped by her evolution and Clark's imbued light could only cause a 8.0 earthquake. Which is like Level 2-3 tier, depending on the power. That said, I don't think that dead end is going to carry over to 1.0 version. Since it will likely need to be adjusted for obvious reasons. Since if MC runs out of power, his regeneration fails. While Lexi and Clark shouldn't have even came close to running out.

 

[kazuan]

Anybody else think it's kinda crazy that in one of the earlier dead ends, where MC monsterfies due to Kenny, that Alexis and Clark have to specifically call Malik in to deal with him?

Maybe the oil let MC use a liquid form to fight. With a possible added benefit of it also spreading the mind control combined with his natural (re)generation powers just made for a horrible matchup to the "makes knives" and "big lasers" powers. Especially inside of a city.

There was a scene where Xanthe gives MC a bunch of kevlar stuff, and MC says something to the effect of "I can store their structure but can't really use it", and the scene ends with MC theorizing he might one day be able to do something were he stronger.

All component parts of kevlar seem to be essential to humans, so why he can't use it is anyone's guess. Maybe any compound material not naturally produced are simply a lot more difficult to make since even as a level 1 he could seemingly copy anything organic.

I wonder if that may actually be a sort of indicator of The Body's power in general, since evo3 is usually when you "surpass" your parent monster in terms of ability if not raw power according to Ella. Maybe the MC getting to evo3 unlocked more artificial material for him to use despite the otherwise seemingly arbitrary limitation of "natural" material origins. But then again clothes and playing cards are not natural and he could make and change those as a evo1 so I don't really know what point I'm trying to make anymore.

 

[Dinoflaggelate]

All component parts of kevlar seem to be essential to humans, so why he can't use it is anyone's guess. Maybe any compound material not naturally produced are simply a lot more difficult to make since even as a level 1 he could seemingly copy anything organic.

I wonder if that may actually be a sort of indicator of The Body's power in general, since evo3 is usually when you "surpass" your parent monster in terms of ability if not raw power according to Ella. Maybe the MC getting to evo3 unlocked more artificial material for him to use despite the otherwise seemingly arbitrary limitation of "natural" material origins. But then again clothes and playing cards are not natural and he could make and change those as a evo1 so I don't really know what point I'm trying to make anymore.

If I remember right, the MC attributes that to limitations of his Memory powers, not his Body ones. He talks about it with Xanthe during his initial check-up. He can scan inanimate objects, but he doesn't get high-resolution recordings, and so when he tries to turn into them he often screws up their chemical structure. He can do macroscopic shapes and patterns, the stuff visible to the naked eye, but he needs to use Memory to make up for not having Ella's atomic-scale precision. But that was at level 2, and he's been scanning inanimate objects a lot at level 3, so he could probably do it now.

 

[kazuan]

So then the limiting factor is simple lack of chemistry/material science knowledge on MC's part and/or lack of training on his Memory part. Maybe if he had trained memory as much as body he could have made practically any material he can touch when he reached evo3.

This also makes Ellas early use of her powers much more impressive. I imagine learning the composition and structure of a material wouldn't be as helpful as it first appears when you consider the sort of simplification and abstraction used when teaching/learning about them. I wonder how "deep" Ella needed to research to make something new, modifications like muscle and bone structures seemed to needed mostly anatomical knowledge if I remember her school memories right. It must have been a huge upgrade when she got her special eyes and could actually see how things work. Almost like MC.

Which means MC getting memory along with body was a COLOSSAL help and he would probably not have gotten this far if he had to study like Ella had to. This could also explain MCs weak Memory as far as combat is concerned, it developed mostly to aid his Body powers with memory shenanigans mostly as a bonus all the way into evo3.

 

[necromater]

 

[nalgonas4ever]

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Can't wait for his two hour flahsback, hell, I can't wait for a bunch of the cast's flashbacks as well.