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I'm hoping not. Incidentally the second time you meet em if you kill em to regain your energy you only get back half of what you gave.
 

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Question, sometimes the games all wonky on my laptop and sometimes it just causes my laptop screen to go dark. Is there any remedy?
 

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So i just realized that i'm an idiot, i didn't see the discord invitation, i was just struggling myself in the 9999 and this new version without it's respective version walkthrough trying to get a updated one when the answer was in my eyes all this time XD
 

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So I played with the walkthrough and got to the fight against Deryl where you can choose to either go all in or hesitate, and it says that, depending on your power level, the one will result in Laurie dying and the other in her living, but in all cases the immediate aftermath seems to be that she dies (gets her head exploded). Is this supposed to happen? Is she only meant to come back later, without you being able to tell right away whether or not you saved her? Or did I mess up my save file somehow?
 
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So I played with the walkthrough and got to the fight against Deryl where you can choose to either go all in or hesitate, and it says that, depending on your power level, the one will result in Laurie dying and the other in her living, but in all cases the immediate aftermath seems to be that she dies (gets her head exploded). Is this supposed to happen? Is she only meant to come back later, without you being able to tell right away whether or not you saved her? Or did I mess up my save file somehow?
No, it should be obvious if you saved her. What's your Skill at? You need three victory points to save Laurie. You get one for hesitating in the first round of the fight, one for destroying Deryl's sword before it's finished forming, and one for having Skill at least 28. If you did the first two things, a low Skill is probably the culprit. If none of those apply then yeah, I guess your save file is messed up.
 

muschi26

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No, it should be obvious if you saved her. What's your Skill at? You need three victory points to save Laurie. You get one for hesitating in the first round of the fight, one for destroying Deryl's sword before it's finished forming, and one for having Skill at least 28. If you did the first two things, a low Skill is probably the culprit. If none of those apply then yeah, I guess your save file is messed up.
RIP, my skill was at 27; guess I'm going to have to replay a chunk of the game.

It's kind of frustrating how, every time there's a skill check, I seem to be exactly one point short. It's happened multiple times at this point, though usually the consequences don't matter as much. Is this by design? I follow a pretty simple "strategy" when going through the game: prioritize relationship points over everything (even sex scenes, though I always make a save to check them out), followed by trying to keep everyone alive if possible (so usually forgoing options that increase power or skill at the cost of corruption), followed by everything else, but I always make sure to train as much as I can and do everything else that increases stats, so I'm wondering if it's intentional that choosing not to kill randos earlier in the game should lead to you not having the power to save people you care about later.
 

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RIP, my skill was at 27; guess I'm going to have to replay a chunk of the game.

It's kind of frustrating how, every time there's a skill check, I seem to be exactly one point short. It's happened multiple times at this point, though usually the consequences don't matter as much. Is this by design? I follow a pretty simple "strategy" when going through the game: prioritize relationship points over everything (even sex scenes, though I always make a save to check them out), followed by trying to keep everyone alive if possible (so usually forgoing options that increase power or skill at the cost of corruption), followed by everything else, but I always make sure to train as much as I can and do everything else that increases stats, so I'm wondering if it's intentional that choosing not to kill randos earlier in the game should lead to you not having the power to save people you care about later.
There's no skill points for killing people. The only times you can drop skill points (by the point you're at), I'm pretty sure, is when you choose between skill and power in the Michael spar, and when you're fighting Minyaks if you make the wrong choice.
Also, if you go down the tunnel to meet Aglaecwif you'll have to choose between three lore options, 10 power, and 3 skill. If you go down the tunnel to meet the Wepwawet you get 5 power and 3 skill.
 

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I've seen in several comments the theory that superhumans can't reproduce as a species because each one has very different DNA, but would the mc be able to get Ella Vulpe pregnant? Since she's the closest person to his species, having 100% compatibility with the Third Apostle, considering that mc has 50% compatibility with the Third Apostle and 49% with the Fourth Apostle, and the Third and Fourth Apostles are twins.
 
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I've seen in several comments the theory that superhumans can't reproduce as a species because each one has very different DNA, but would the mc be able to get Ella Vulpe pregnant? Since she's the closest person to his species, having 100% compatibility with the Third Apostle, considering that mc has 50% compatibility with the Third Apostle and 49% with the Fourth Apostle, and the Third and Fourth Apostles are twins.
Ella herself strongly hints towards it being possible, it would be surprising if they would not be able to, considering they are literal shapeshifters. So MC should probably at least be able to get other shapeshifters, humans and monsters pregnant, not sure about superhumans tho
 

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RIP, my skill was at 27; guess I'm going to have to replay a chunk of the game.

It's kind of frustrating how, every time there's a skill check, I seem to be exactly one point short. It's happened multiple times at this point, though usually the consequences don't matter as much. Is this by design? I follow a pretty simple "strategy" when going through the game: prioritize relationship points over everything (even sex scenes, though I always make a save to check them out), followed by trying to keep everyone alive if possible (so usually forgoing options that increase power or skill at the cost of corruption), followed by everything else, but I always make sure to train as much as I can and do everything else that increases stats, so I'm wondering if it's intentional that choosing not to kill randos earlier in the game should lead to you not having the power to save people you care about later.
Related, but I feel the battle of diamonds lacks the narrative groundwork to justify pulling the player into an emotionally earned desire to save Laurie. Sure we learn of Laurie's struggles and her character as a person before the battle starts, but the issue isn't with Laurie.

Laurie should die. Not because she's a bad character, but because her death would prove the battle has teeth. Only then does saving someone else later feel like a miracle and not a loophole.

When you first read the battle of the diamonds, the conflict was "is Deryl going to become a monster forever and is the MC going to lose his friend?"
When that gets resolved, the battle has ultimately been resolved with no losses to the player/mc.
 

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Ella herself strongly hints towards it being possible, it would be surprising if they would not be able to, considering they are literal shapeshifters. So MC should probably at least be able to get other shapeshifters, humans and monsters pregnant, not sure about superhumans tho
Would getting humans pregnant not require very finely tuned, precise DNA altering shapeshifting ? I mean down to the very cells and shit.

The sort of shapeshifting required to produce sperm that can impregnate humans would likely be the kind of thing the Mc isn't capable of yet. Probably it's akin to that convo he had with Xanthe, the Mc's advantage lies in his memory based abilities which could give him an edge over Ella, but she currently still has/had that very technical and precise shapeshifting capabilities which he hasn't reached yet.

What sperm a creature produces is coded into their DNA, and that kind of altering is beyond the Mc, atleast for now.
 
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