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I dont want to 'Erm, Ackhually' you, but MC directly tells Jake after calling Michael that Michael is taking her away from the prime minister's office, blatantly stating that "keeping her in this crumbling building can't be safe."

At the point in the story the Jake fight occurs, MC isn't yet completely aware of his flaws as a fighter, those realizations happening after Michael criticizes his battle performance. It is only really after that when MC begins to seriously hone his on-the-fly tactical thinking, because he needs experience and outside help to become totally aware of his flaws. And still he remains somewhat of a Himbo. I think that my original point of MC not having the clarity of mind to come up with a better tactic that what he already had is still valid, a tactic that for all its flaws, still gave him victory. Even if Deryl hadn't shown up, he would have still won.

As for the poison decaying, yeah it does vanish slowly- However, Ella has stated that things cut off from her and the MC's bodies evaporate because the energy inside dissipates into the air, meaning that the degradation of the toxins was vastly slowed by being hidden from open air inside Jake's body. (Granted, it didnt really stay there for long, on the account of, well, all the blood loss). She even states that regular infusions of power, an airtight container and a few thick layers of paint were what kept the doll she made from her flesh from evaporating.
Yeah, i did mis-remember that part, of her being in the building, but again, if they were thinking of collateral damage they wouldn't have had alice BLOW UP THE BUILDING, and michaels job was specifically take her out of there, negating any risk. My point still stands.

Literally michael has been telling him of his flaws the entire game since the first spar, and his fights with alice also taught him. He isn't a new fighter at that point and especially isn't unaware of his flaws. He even makes comments on how his power scales after seeing alices during their training. He just decided to simply push through, even though it was less effective.

The range of time it takes to dissolve has never exceeded "several minutes" except when dealing with the doll, even when said liquid is inside of a person. The infusion of energy is what extends its duration, not necessarily air. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that it is the least effective way he could attack.

Nothing you actually said here changes anything i have said, except that Mia was in the building. He didn't use guns or explosives simply because WW didn't want him to use guns at that point, and probably wanted to use poison after setting it up so much.
 
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In a x1? Maybe.
A x1 seems very unlikely, I remember reading about twin superhumans sharing the same power pool, so separating them enough to fight separately should be really difficult.

Although my confusion is why WW would say Met is the only level 3 the Mc would not beat, when we know Evander is likely more dangerous than he.
Devana's powers seem poorly suited for duels, and she's arrogant, plus we know her body is not very durable, as shown when the Mc's tail was able to penetrate her abdomen, so assuming he gets the drop on her, and/or manages to avoid fighting her summons, I can see him defeating her. But we know Evander has as much power as Met, and it was hinted he lost in the tournament because he underestimated him, so I believe Evander has an edge over Met.

So implying the Mc could beat Evander but would definitely not defeat Met seems odd to me.
 
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A x1 seems very unlikely, I remember reading about twin superhumans sharing the same power pool, so separating them enough to fight separately should be really difficult.

Although my confusion is why WW would say Met is the only level 3 the Mc would not beat, when we know Evander is likely more dangerous than he.
Devana's power's seem poorly suited for duels, and she's arrogant. But we know Evander has as much power as Met, and it was hinted he lost in the tournament because he underestimated him, so I believe Evander has an edge over Met.

So implying the Mc could beat Evander but would definitely not defeat Met seems odd to me.
Maybe its meant like MC is the strongest lvl3 but Met simply kinda counters his powers and therefore MC wouldnt win

He needs to get truely rid of the electricity weakness which even sylla had (or well be waaaaay more powerful compared to them) to best lightning foes?
 

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Maybe its meant like MC is the strongest lvl3 but Met simply kinda counters his powers and therefore MC wouldnt win

He needs to get truely rid of the electricity weakness which even sylla had (or well be waaaaay more powerful compared to them) to best lightning foes?
Yeah but it still seems strange to me.
My impressions was that by accesing the final memory, the Mc had gotten largely over his electricity fear, this is ofc debatable, but Sylla's last moments were of her tanking Indra's lightning in a attempt to erase as much of his memories as she could, hell, Sylla even said she wanted to get close to Indra back when they were comrades in order to overcome her fear, so Sylla did conquer her weakness in the end.

But regardless of all of that, to imply the Mc could defeat Evander, but not Met, implies his electricity weakness is still incredibly debilitating, since, as I said, evidence points to Evander being on the same if not slightly more dangerous than Met.
 

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It's possible that Evander and Devana have already evolved.
Doubt it, that would put them at level 5. That's way too huge a obstacle to overcome.
Sylla already told the Mc they had not shown their true powers yet, and that he could not have defeated them in the forrest even without Shen's interfererance, so had they evolved, any hopes of a rematch any time soon get trown out the window.

Plus, the Mc is currently in a pretty tight spot as far as rematches and potential fights are concerned.
I was hoping for a monster world evolution, but it didn't happen. So right now Cole would be a hard fight, as Cole has had time to grow into his powers as a level 4, plus Tanos likely upgraded him in some ways, so a level 3 Mc even with Deryl's help likely won't be defeating him as they did pre Monster World arc, not as a level 3.

Tanos, a guy who is definitely on the to fight radar is also likely not gonna go down. We don't know his level, but back in the SIN headquarters, Tanos was able hold Cole down with nothing but brute force as shown when he put his arm around his shoulder threateningly and Cole couldn't budge, and that was just brute force remember ? Tanos's speciality, like Deryl, is in his verstility in a fight, plus he has the twins, and God knows how many other soldiers, minions and tricks up his sleeve.

Other than that, Shen is also level 4, for twice longer than Cole, so forget about beating him.

Indra ? Pffft, yeah let's not go there.

So if you add the possibility of Devana and Evander having evolved, making them two twin level 5s, what do we get ?
A whole host of scenarios of certified ass whoopings, unless the Mc gets a huge power boost, and soon.

The Yuren beatdown was hype, but the more you think about the opponents the Mc has beef with, the more he seems like the underdog, in every single one.
 
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Doubt it, that would put them at level 5. That's way too huge a obstacle to overcome.
Sylla already told the Mc they had not shown their true powers yet, and that he could not have defeated them in the forrest even without Shen's interfererance, so had they evolved, any hopes of a rematch any time soon get trown out the window.

Plus, the Mc is currently in a pretty tight spot as far as rematches and potential fights are concerned.
I was hoping for a monster world evolution, but it didn't happen. So right now Cole would be a hard fight, as Cole has had time to grow into his powers as a level 4, plus Tanos likely upgraded him in some ways, so a level 3 Mc even with Deryl's help likely won't be defeating him as they did pre Monster World arc, not as a level 3.

Tanos, a guy who is definitely on the to fight radar is also likely not gonna go down. We don't know his level, but back in the SIN headquarters, Tanos was able hold Cole down with nothing but brute force as shown when he put his arm around his shoulder threateningly and Cole couldn't budge, and that was just brute force remember ? Tanos's speciality, like Deryl, is in his verstility in a fight, plus he has the twins, and God knows how many other soldiers, minions and tricks up his sleeve.

Other than that, Shen is also level 4, for twice longer than Cole, so forget about beating him.

Indra ? Pffft, yeah let's not go there.

So if you add the possibility of Devana and Evander having evolved, making them two twin level 5s, what do we get ?
A whole host of scenarios of certified ass whoopings, unless the Mc gets a huge power boost, and soon.

The Yuren beatdown was hype, but the more you think about the opponents the Mc has beef with, the more he seems like the underdog, in every single one.
The fact WW refused to do a Tiffany report suggests we might be fighting her come v1.0. If HERO is indeed going to be hostile to MC due to his affiliation with monsters, then there are a bunch of Level 4s that he could fight against. I am of the opinion Tanos is Level 4, so a Mars invasion arc would have him as a boss fight. There's Charlie, who is Level 4 iirc. If we assume this arc ends with MC evolving to Level 4, then the options open up somewhat considerably.
 

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The fact WW refused to do a Tiffany report suggests we might be fighting her come v1.0. If HERO is indeed going to be hostile to MC due to his affiliation with monsters, then there are a bunch of Level 4s that he could fight against. I am of the opinion Tanos is Level 4, so a Mars invasion arc would have him as a boss fight. There's Charlie, who is Level 4 iirc.

I think most enemies in MC's weightclass are going to be new faces we haven't seen yet. I base this on the assumption that MC is going be sent around to new places (Mars, Immaterial world, other sectors) in the immediate future.
Oh shit I doubt that, HERO turning hostile to the Mc ? Nah
His affiliation with monsters being the cause ? That seems categorically unlikely, Xanthe is wise enough to see the benefit in that affiliation, the dude laps at every opportunity to learn more of monsters instead of outright eliminating them. He would be delighted to learn more of the Monster World. Plus he has praised the Mc as a valuable asset many times, Dexter too.

Other than that, most big players in HERO have high levels of corruption themselves, Nyx does, hell she even recommends it. Henri is a monstrosity himself and who knows what Deus is. And those are just some examples.

Now going to Mars to crush Langdon and find Tanos, that is a possibility I can get behind. But my point stands, and yeah, Charlies is another SIN potential opponent the Mc has little to no hopes of defeating.
The Mc needs a power boost, and fast.
 

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Oh shit I doubt that, HERO turning hostile to the Mc ? Nah
His affiliation with monsters being the cause ? That seems categorically unlikely, Xanthe is wise enough to see the benefit in that affiliation, the dude laps at every opportunity to learn more of monsters instead of outright eliminating them. He would be delighted to learn more of the Monster World. Plus he has praised the Mc as a valuable asset many times, Dexter too.

Other than that, most big players in HERO have high levels of corruption themselves, Nyx does, hell she even recommends it. Henri is a monstrosity himself and who knows what Deus is. And those are just some examples.

Now going to Mars to crush Langdon and find Tanos, that is a possibility I can get behind. But my point stands, and yeah, Charlies is another SIN potential opponent the Mc has little to no hopes of defeating.
The Mc needs a power boost, and fast.
Well I'm 99% certain this arc will end with Evo 4, so we'll be in a new ballpark of power.
 
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number 7 huh ? It should be much higher in my opinion.
The game is extremely well developed, don't let the art in the beginning fool you. A lot of dedication went into this, and the art gets better and better. And the writing and plot is very expansive and captivating.

Honestly, idk why you want people to ''enlighten'' you.
Like I said to the other guy. The fact that this thread has 1466 pages of replies ( currently ), almost 500 reviews, gets updated consistently, should give you the hint that it is in that top ranking for a good reason.
Top 7? My only issue with that is that it should be in the top 3. Its ranked too low.

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What makes me reluctant to try the game at first about the art was not the goth/emo style but rather the pornified female body proportions with giant boobs.

Like these ones :
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They have superpowers but it must not be easy to move with those breasts.

But you get used to it and the story is pretty great.
And although it's not the focus with not that much content, gender bender (M2F) is a fetish I really like
Yeah, I think the boob proportions are totally nonsensical too, maybe it’s just some weird kink of WW’s. Honestly, this site is full of awful games with those same ugly proportions. I totally get why people don’t even bother downloading because of that I did the same for years, hahaha.

  • Alice: Yes, absurdly huge boobs ❌
  • Amber: No, just bigger than average ✅
  • Liz: No, just bigger than average ✅
  • Angelina: Boobs so big they’ve got a life of their own ❌
  • Claudia: Big, but not absurd ✅
  • Demi: Flat ✅
  • Ella: Big, but not absurd ✅
  • Emily: Yep, absurd boobs ❌
  • Nico: Big, but super sexy and well-proportioned—Nico is great ✅
  • Nyx: Perfect ✅

In the end, most of them don’t actually have absurd boobs

That’s actually why I think Nyx’s body is the most attractive. Personally, I care way more about proportion than size. But since the game isn’t really focused on NSFW, it doesn’t matter much. Anyway, that’s how I feel about Nyx’s body, but the one who really gets me hooked is Ella. She’s a total slut, but also smart, mysterious, and kind, By the way, I think the fact that she’s kind not just to the MC but to others too is the real reason she feels genuinely special. completely irresistible to me. I honestly feel like Ella is way more important than any other woman. Yes, WW, you did this to me!

Anyway… all things considered, this game is crazy good, and to this day I still can’t wrap my head around how it all came from just one guy."
 
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Anyway, that’s how I feel about Nyx’s body, but the one who really gets me hooked is Ella. She’s a total slut, but also smart, mysterious, and kind, By the way, I think the fact that she’s kind not just to the MC but to others too is the real reason she feels genuinely special. completely irresistible to me. I honestly feel like Ella is way more important than any other woman. Yes, WW, you did this to me!
There are many adjectives you could use to describe Ella, but "kind" is not one of them.
 

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The range of time it takes to dissolve has never exceeded "several minutes" except when dealing with the doll, even when said liquid is inside of a person. The infusion of energy is what extends its duration, not necessarily air. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that it is the least effective way he could attack.
I don't suppose you have an in-game quote or something about how quickly parts of his body dissolve when separated from him and not exposed to air, do you?
Because I'm certain it was stated that air does affect how quickly things dissolve.

He didn't use guns or explosives simply because WW didn't want him to use guns at that point
What makes you think Jake's passive protection doesn't protect him from guns and explosives? Doesn't Deryl fail to do anything meaningful to Jake with his guns and explosives?
 

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I don't suppose you have an in-game quote or something about how quickly parts of his body dissolve when separated from him and not exposed to air, do you?
Because I'm certain it was stated that air does affect how quickly things dissolve.


What makes you think Jake's passive protection doesn't protect him from guns and explosives? Doesn't Deryl fail to do anything meaningful to Jake with his guns and explosives?
You asked for it, tried to get away with just saying "liquid", but when he orgasms inside one (or more, its come up a few times) of the women, he tells them it takes several minutes to dissolve. There is very little air inside a vagina (or stomach).

Why do people keep coming up with this "passive protection" for jake? All he does is the same thing most mind controllers do, make you subconciously (or conciously if you are still under his control) not want to hit him. He doesn't bend the laws of physics and mind controls the explosive force around him to miss at a mere level 2. He just makes you miss. If you cant physically miss, like deryl and his gas/other traps, you hit him. He isn't any more durable then any other level two, so no tanking either.
 
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You asked for it, tried to get away with just saying "liquid", but when he orgasms inside one (or more, its come up a few times) of the women, he tells them it takes several minutes to dissolve. There is very little air inside a vagina (or stomach).
And you don't think "several minutes" is enough to do serious damage?
Keep in mind one box jellyfish sting can cause cardiac arrest in a normal human in 2-5 minutes. MC's venom is significantly more potent, being a combination of several strong venoms and supercharged by the MC's monster power.

Why do people keep coming up with this "passive protection" for jake? All he does is the same thing most mind controllers do, make you subconciously (or conciously if you are still under his control) not want to hit him. He doesn't bend the laws of physics and mind controls the explosive force around him to miss at a mere level 2. He just makes you miss. If you cant physically miss, like deryl and his gas/other traps, you hit him. He isn't any more durable then any other level two, so no tanking either.
No one is coming up with anything. "Passive protection" is just referring to his subconscious mind control.
But yes, as you pointed out, he makes you miss. So why do you think MC wouldn't miss when using explosives and guns? It's not like ranged attacks are exempt, since Laurie can't so much as scratch Jake when she attacks him (if you decide to spare him).
 
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