Ray_D

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Logic aside.......pretty sick burn...
It's actually so true; we can't all live up to such high aspirations as the official tour guide of all things AVN
A legacy your grandkids will brag about. :BootyTime:
Don't exaggerate so much, man, we're talking about WW, not Ocean. At least with WW we'll see an ending next year, with the other one we'll never see anything.:BootyTime:
 

as22

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Klaus as if he were from a 90's anime:

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You know what, that does make a ton of sense. Fair enough. I take back saying it doesn't mesh well.
Don't listen to him. The theorycrafting in this thread gets a little too schitzo at times. People make up all these fantastical theories as if they were true, and then those theories are just accepted and run with by others as more people just make up more theories on top.

For example in 2023 people were certain that Aglaecwif monster line was the 4th, and everyone just ran with that:

Aglaecwif being a descendant of the 4th is in game though. The problem is you have to translate the language she was talking in to find it lol. I believe Vogol used ChatGPT to translate it from some old English or something. She mentions the 4th being "our Lord" vs if you're the 3rd's spawn, it changes. That's on top of her using the Memory Trait on the MC. It's honestly not crazy, you just have to be curious enough to look for the clues. :KEK:
 

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Klaus as if he were from a 90's anime:

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Don't listen to him. The theorycrafting in this thread gets a little too schitzo at times. People make up all these fantastical theories as if they were true, and then those theories are just accepted and run with by others as more people just make up more theories on top.

For example in 2023 people were certain that Aglaecwif monster line was the 4th, and everyone just ran with that:
To be fair to Drako, that part of Aglaecwif's dialogue was later changed/retconned, during a time when WW was making Memory more distinct and changing how other powers could affect memories, like Jake originally being able to screw with someone's memory directly. It was a reasonable conclusion to draw back then.
 

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To be fair to Drako, that part of Aglaecwif's dialogue was later changed/retconned, during a time when WW was making Memory more distinct and changing how other powers could affect memories, like Jake originally being able to screw with someone's memory directly. It was a reasonable conclusion to draw back then.
What else was changed?
I also hope WW adds in the updated papyrus TTF file to subsequent versions that A fleeting presence made that fixes the missing glyphs. It's hard to read the Aglaecwif's dialogue with the non displaying characters.

I can't believe he still hasn't done it.
 

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Klaus as if he were from a 90's anime:

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Don't listen to him. The theorycrafting in this thread gets a little too schitzo at times. People make up all these fantastical theories as if they were true, and then those theories are just accepted and run with by others as more people just make up more theories on top.

For example in 2023 people were certain that Aglaecwif monster line was the 4th, and everyone just ran with that:
Everyone "ran with it" because that was the translation until WW changed it completely with Syla introduction into the game. And to be frank, I'm almost positive that I questioned it a bit earlier on myself before locking into it.
 

obibobi

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Dismissing in-universe mechanics because of its out of universe/narrative mechanic is a massive cop out and cheapens the story. Superhuman sterility haven't had much in-universe weight since they have had to focus more on short term goals, but the MC overcoming that issue would be a huge deal.
Yes the dissolving aspect is a comparatively tiny issue for the MC/Ella specifically but I believe it was last update that MC said he had tried to make a doll like Ella but failed. I don't think WW would have included that if it didn't have at least some narrative reason and the fertility topic could be one reason.
I'm not dismissing it, I am pointing out fan tendecies to over analyse things and expect writers the address nitpicks.The MC can already potentially both impregnate and get pregnant. The story is already on my side so its absurd people think we need explanations for something so mundane.

There is huge fucking difference between the MC doing something that is completely normal and creating magical sentient copies of himself.
 

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What else was changed?
I also hope WW adds in the updated papyrus TTF file to subsequent versions that A fleeting presence made that fixes the missing glyphs. It's hard to read the Aglaecwif's dialogue with the non displaying characters.

I can't believe he still hasn't done it.
Probably because it isn't a big deal. You're not meant to be able to understand Aglaecwif's Old English dialogue. If you were, WW would include a translation.
 

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What? We know nothing of what Ella went through, nor what her trial was about.
We know A LOT about it. MC witnesses it directly through the 4th Apostle's own memory of it when he and Christie investigate the school it happened at, gained from a cracked vial of fluid that forcibly establishes a strong connection between MC and the 4th on contact. We get to see Ella's trance after drinking from that same vial and Memory's reaction to her refusal to kill Christie. The trial involved killing everyone present at a school event, including Christie, and was failed when Ella took control of her trance and spared her best friend.

Not everything I said before is explicit in the narrative, but everything I said (and more) can be inferred from the information we do have. This includes that the trial was extremely important for Ella AND the 3rd and 4th, that Ella up to that point had even more direct guidance through her evolutions from the 3rd and 4th than Michael has from the 2nd now, and that despite that guidance Ella had to resort to stealing serum from HERO to reach her 5th after being stuck in her 4th for a while. We also know that Ella needed a trait from Memory for something and failed to get it which is the entire reason she mentions that she's considered a failure.

We also glean from it that even though Memory in particular is temperamental about things not going perfectly, it still kept working directly with Ella afterward anyway just as it continues to support MC despite him not being a pure 50/50. It did not extend that same support to Syla when she got tainted by other shit which is its own implication that Ella and MC are more important to Memory's plans now than its own Chosen was.

I'll have to go back and replay the section to really be 100% certain but I'm fairly confident I got all this right.
 
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I was here thinking, wondering what kind of thing could happen to prevent the MC from getting the serum after reaching level 4. The serum could be destroyed by S.I.N. in a stealth invasion; Bramon could be killed; or we could be kidnapped. Many things could be used to prevent the MC from reaching level 5 right after achieving his evolution, but then I thought of something simpler, no, simply, no, the Eye could very well warn the protagonist not to use the serum, giving him a choice but still warning him that they are not ready yet
That's the kind of thing that usually happens
 

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I was here thinking, wondering what kind of thing could happen to prevent the MC from getting the serum after reaching level 4. The serum could be destroyed by S.I.N. in a stealth invasion; Bramon could be killed; or we could be kidnapped. Many things could be used to prevent the MC from reaching level 5 right after achieving his evolution, but then I thought of something simpler, no, simply, no, the Eye could very well warn the protagonist not to use the serum, giving him a choice but still warning him that they are not ready yet
That's the kind of thing that usually happens
WW already commented on this, MC cannot use the serum right after he hits level 4 because he needs to control his powers or he would turn into a monster or something. So he needs training and such on new powers. He accounted for people thinking he can use serum right away will take a while. Positive, this is a way for MC not to use serum at all.
 

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What else was changed?
I also hope WW adds in the updated papyrus TTF file to subsequent versions that A fleeting presence made that fixes the missing glyphs. It's hard to read the Aglaecwif's dialogue with the non displaying characters.

I can't believe he still hasn't done it.
He said he doesn't want to because the broken characters make the text seem otherworldly. I think it's bullshit, but it is what it is.
 

kazuan

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Don't listen to him. The theorycrafting in this thread gets a little too schitzo at times. People make up all these fantastical theories as if they were true, and then those theories are just accepted and run with by others as more people just make up more theories on top.
I didn't intend to present it as fact, Acanthite mentioned what he believed to be a narrative inconsistency due to it being from the early game and I made up a plausible explanation for why it could still be consistent. I'm curious why it provoked this kind of response when even my "Indra isn't a Greater Spawn" wild theory didn't get called schizo theory crafting.

I'm not dismissing it, I am pointing out fan tendecies to over analyse things and expect writers the address nitpicks.The MC can already potentially both impregnate and get pregnant. The story is already on my side so its absurd people think we need explanations for something so mundane.

There is huge fucking difference between the MC doing something that is completely normal and creating magical sentient copies of himself.
MC related pregnancy has exclusively been with monsters, who are already established to be able to reproduce with humans, superhumans (and probably animals) already. Intra-Superhuman reproduction has enough narrative weight for a "cure" not be considered a nitpick even if it only the MC can do it. Especially with the background issues of superhuman superiority while reliant on humans for "reproduction", humans mistrust of superhuman and possible human extinction.
I also don't believe the MC was trying and failing at creating a sentient copy, since Ellas doll required vials containing liquids from the 3rd and 4th Apostles. I believe he was failing at making the doll/item simply last after being disconnected from himself.

I guess the main thing we disagree on is how much weight the story should place on the issue or if it really is worth bringing up in the first place. Yes it's mostly just a background thing ment to facilitate large amount of risk free sex but looking at it with a wider scope the implications become huge. Aos even brought it up when he described how his people basically threw their future away by making more superhuman soldiers without leaving a sky-human population large enough to reproduce, so even a victory would have ment extinction.

That all said at this point it's not a matter of convincing each other and we both know our stances on the matter, so unless there is something further you would like to add I'd considered this conversation to have ran it's course.

We also glean from it that even though Memory in particular is temperamental about things not going perfectly, it still kept working directly with Ella afterward anyway just as it continues to support MC despite him not being a pure 50/50. It did not extend that same support to Syla when she got tainted by other shit which is its own implication that Ella and MC are more important to Memory's plans now than its own Chosen was.
Assuming the 3rd/4th are working on bringing back The Eye, it's possible Ella and Syla got different treatment because their given objectives were different. Ella may have been considered a candidate for The Eye or failing that ment to find a candidate, her failing the ritual could have just resigned her to the second option. Or a hidden third option with Memory stating Ella was "Still good for breeding".
Syla on the other hand might have been ment to create a candidate considering she was (supposed to be) a pure Memory spawn and was immediately and strongly attracted to Stephen who Syla said had pure Body compatibility. Her being tainted would thereby make her a abject failure in Memory eyes, at least assuming it happened before she became human again.
 
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He said he doesn't want to because the broken characters make the text seem otherworldly. I think it's bullshit, but it is what it is.
God only made water, but man made wine.

If WeirdWorld doesn't want to cook the Papyrus.ttf, we ought to do it ourselves :WeSmart:

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On a more serious note, what is the ETA for the next update...? I kinda remember someone saying here it was 4-6 months
 

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God only made water, but man made wine.

If WeirdWorld doesn't want to cook the Papyrus.ttf, we ought to do it ourselves :WeSmart:

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Sorry if it looks like ass, had to convert and compress it for F95 to let me send it :HideThePain:

On a more serious note, what is the ETA for the next update...? I kinda remember someone saying here it was 4-6 months
The version 1.0 update is estimated to take about 6 months, maybe 7 if things go wrong. If the next update is 1.0, then that's the timeline. If not, probably another 3-4 months again.
 

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He said he doesn't want to because the broken characters make the text seem otherworldly. I think it's bullshit, but it is what it is.
He really said that?, it sounds so weird having into consideration how the Trio are treated, like, when they pull up to rescue MC, Deryl and the Twins, the text gets to the extreme to glaze Malik, Bernie and Henri, more than that it sound actually cool lol. that to say, is a weird stance to have, since those three are already written that way, Indra too, not to forget the twelve Apostles, maybe is the MC what he don't want too broken?
 
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i see people talking about the "trials" and a "checklist" superhumans have to reach to be level five but i think everyone is confusing becoming level 5 with becoming a god/apostle's chosen. there are no "trials" or "steps" for level 5's that's what charecters like michael Alice the MC and jake have but that isn't connected to them being able to get to level 5. the main trio among the captains of Bernhardt Malik and Henry are noted to be different from the others and in Henry's case the reason is all but stated to be that he's like the MC and has another powerful entity inside him on top of being level 5 and while malik's unusually potent power is because he also unknowingly completed trials over his long life as a superhuman this is seemingly only the case for him and bernie not the other captains. with that being said i think it's entirely likely he could take Xanthe's serum to reach level five as that isn't the biggest milestone in the grand scheme of things: The MC harnessing the eye's power is the actual thing that will help him reach those higher tiers of power.
 
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