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Birdnman993

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You're right about all the LI's being girlfriend material. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue against that. They all have a genuine devotion to, and appreciation for, the MC; which is the #1 quality of any potential GF (or BF).

IMO, Alice is a cut above everyone else do to the effort that she puts in. She can't cook, but she tries. She's admittedly out of her element when it comes to relationships, so she seeks out advise and guidance from friends (Tess) and magazines. When the two of them are on night watch duty in the cave in the Monster World, she encourages the MC to download his worries and burdens onto her. That he doesn't have to carry it alone. She feels its her duty as his GF to help him carry that emotional weight.

The fact that she's a literal mob boss makes her devotion to the MC feel that much grander than the other LI's. She has all the wealth and power she can handle, yet being a good GF to the MC matters to her. Him being pleased with her matters to her. Their relationship is something that she puts a great deal of thought and effort into.
What I like most about MC x Alice is that if they had met under different circumstances, where he didn't have powers and she wasn't a mafia member, they would surely have liked each other. Most LI's like how big and muscular he has become, but Alice has told him that she likes him the way he was before, a normal city boy.
 

KingAgamemnon

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Guys, crackpot theory time.

I think in the future we're gonna get an Immaterial World rescue mission arc. I base this on two ideas. The first is that Syla has gone missing. And the second is that based on comments made by Black Mouth, he appears to be acting all the way from the Immaterial World. I believe that Syla has been kidnapped and brainwashed by Black Mouth, and it will be up to us to rescue him. That being said, I believe HERO will frame it differently. According to what we know, Zack has gone missing. I suspect that he will have also been taken to the Immaterial World, and we will need to rescue the both of them.

Alright, now that the set up is out of the way, I can start getting into the real tin hat conspiracy shenanigans. The next question is obvious, who can come with us to the Immaterial World? According to Syla, one of each of the Twins apparently has connection to the Immaterial, and can access the Immaterial World. Those are the First (Authority), the Fourth (Memory), the Fifth (Time), the Seventh (Dark), the Tenth (Fantasy) and the Twelfth (Creation).

I believe Shen will be an antagonist we'll need to deal with, so that knocks our Fantasy partner out to avoid doubling up. Fourth will be us, obviously. Fifth will be Claudia. Seventh will be Emily (because obviously she's gonna be infected by Valravn), Twelfth will be Deryl. And here's the kicker, the core of my conspiracy - Jake will be the last one.

"But Agamemnon," I hear you say. "Jake isn't alive in all games! Some people ate him, so he can't help in those scenarios." And this is where you are wrong. We see from Bailey and Kenny that all of the people MC eats do find themselves in the Immaterial World, and those are people who don't necessarily have strong bonds with that realm. Jake is an exceptionally strong individual, whose power is attuned with the Immaterial, and thus could reasonably still exist in some capacity. We also know from Syla that you can resist the call to fade into nothingness, and the fact we see him in the Authority dream path seems to indicate that he hasn't passed on.

So yeah. I predict an Immaterial World rescue arc in the near future, presumably after reaching Level 4. MC will be tasked with rescuing Zack and also Syla, and his teammates for the mission will be Deryl, Jake, Emily, and Claudia.
 

KingAgamemnon

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Speaking of future arcs, here's my suspicions about future arcs in no particular order: a Mars invasion arc (if we haven't evolved yet, this is where it will happen due to Level 4 removing the requirement to breathe), where we will have a boss fight against a Level 4 Tanos, will likely recruit Charlie to our side, and so on; a Langdon arc, where he possesses Alistair and it will have a whole bunch of government/public perception checks, and we might also fight Jared here, and I suspect a lot of the Tiffany vs Dexter shenanigans will finally be realized here too; a time travel arc, where MC gets sent back to the time of M-Corp, probably fights Level 4 versions of Malik and Bernie, witnesses Henri's hell week, and learns from them the requirements to Level 5. Those are all the big arc suspicions I have at the present moment.
 
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Guys, crackpot theory time.

I think in the future we're gonna get an Immaterial World rescue mission arc. I base this on two ideas. The first is that Syla has gone missing. And the second is that based on comments made by Black Mouth, he appears to be acting all the way from the Immaterial World. I believe that Syla has been kidnapped and brainwashed by Black Mouth, and it will be up to us to rescue him. That being said, I believe HERO will frame it differently. According to what we know, Zack has gone missing. I suspect that he will have also been taken to the Immaterial World, and we will need to rescue the both of them.

Alright, now that the set up is out of the way, I can start getting into the real tin hat conspiracy shenanigans. The next question is obvious, who can come with us to the Immaterial World? According to Syla, one of each of the Twins apparently has connection to the Immaterial, and can access the Immaterial World. Those are the First (Authority), the Fourth (Memory), the Fifth (Time), the Seventh (Dark), the Tenth (Fantasy) and the Twelfth (Creation).

I believe Shen will be an antagonist we'll need to deal with, so that knocks our Fantasy partner out to avoid doubling up. Fourth will be us, obviously. Fifth will be Claudia. Seventh will be Emily (because obviously she's gonna be infected by Valravn), Twelfth will be Deryl. And here's the kicker, the core of my conspiracy - Jake will be the last one.

"But Agamemnon," I hear you say. "Jake isn't alive in all games! Some people ate him, so he can't help in those scenarios." And this is where you are wrong. We see from Bailey and Kenny that all of the people MC eats do find themselves in the Immaterial World, and those are people who don't necessarily have strong bonds with that realm. Jake is an exceptionally strong individual, whose power is attuned with the Immaterial, and thus could reasonably still exist in some capacity. We also know from Syla that you can resist the call to fade into nothingness, and the fact we see him in the Authority dream path seems to indicate that he hasn't passed on.

So yeah. I predict an Immaterial World rescue arc in the near future, presumably after reaching Level 4. MC will be tasked with rescuing Zack and also Syla, and his teammates for the mission will be Deryl, Jake, Emily, and Claudia.
It's a fun plot point sure, and who knows, Weird might come here from time to time for idea hunting but;
MC would be level 4 and Deryl would be relatively close to him at maybe level 3, 4 (or 3.5 - However being part monster works). I don't know what level Claudia was last we saw her, but it could be feasibly explained her being level three with the monster war in full swing. Emily on the other hand...
Even if it is Valravn who turns her, there is no way she's reaching level 3 in time for this plot point. Then again I don't think she'll be in another time skip so I guess she can tag along anyway. Though it would be fun to see Valravn helping us if we manage to impress him (beating him without Brianna's help), Syla was sort of friends with him after all.
On another note, I don't remember the twin thing but the MC can drag anyone presumably to the Immaterial world. Alice is Ether and Amber is of strengtheater/great ocean descent iirc, and MC could take them to the Immaterial world. So yeah, we can drag along other party members if MC has enough skill/power/some backup reserve of energy. Quite alot of potential we have with this.
 

KingAgamemnon

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It's a fun plot point sure, and who knows, Weird might come here from time to time for idea hunting but;
MC would be level 4 and Deryl would be relatively close to him at maybe level 3, 4 (or 3.5 - However being part monster works). I don't know what level Claudia was last we saw her, but it could be feasibly explained her being level three with the monster war in full swing. Emily on the other hand...
Even if it is Valravn who turns her, there is no way she's reaching level 3 in time for this plot point. Then again I don't think she'll be in another time skip so I guess she can tag along anyway. Though it would be fun to see Valravn helping us if we manage to impress him (beating him without Brianna's help), Syla was sort of friends with him after all.
On another note, I don't remember the twin thing but the MC can drag anyone presumably to the Immaterial world. Alice is Ether and Amber is of strengtheater/great ocean descent iirc, and MC could take them to the Immaterial world. So yeah, we can drag along other party members if MC has enough skill/power/some backup reserve of energy. Quite alot of potential we have with this.
Yeah, MC can drag people along, but I imagine taking others with you costs considerably more energy. It's probably fanfic, but in my heart of hearts I feel it could work.

As for the twin thing, here's the quote from Syla (here referring to the ability to enter the Immaterial World)
Mom "It's not really an ability specific to your powers. Those on our line are pretty good at it, but so are others from the first, fifth, seventh, twelfth and especially the tenth
 
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Yeah, MC can drag people along, but I imagine taking others with you costs considerably more energy. It's probably fanfic, but in my heart of hearts I feel it could work.

As for the twin thing, here's the quote from Syla (here referring to the ability to enter the Immaterial World)
Mom "It's not really an ability specific to your powers. Those on our line are pretty good at it, but so are others from the first, fifth, seventh, twelfth and especially the tenth
Thanks for the reference and yeah, looks like an efficiency sort of thing, best case scenario would be; MC provides some initial push and then they all can sort of maintain their existences on their own. Just gotta have trust in Weird man, idk how but we got the Father Yuren radioactive fight after the discussion in this thread so anything is possible.
 

Bleh21

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What I like most about MC x Alice is that if they had met under different circumstances, where he didn't have powers and she wasn't a mafia member, they would surely have liked each other. Most LI's like how big and muscular he has become, but Alice has told him that she likes him the way he was before, a normal city boy.
Ella liked you since you were both kids. Liz rejected you because she thought you two would never work out due to both of your mental states at that time, not for your looks. He never even tried with Amber, but i don't think she even treated him differently when he became big. And the rest of the cast has never even met your human form, but they don't seem vain enough to care about your looks.

Like do people who like Alice not even read the other storylines? First everyone besides Alice are sluts. Now everyone besides Alice is into you because you have muscles.
 
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Grimnir098

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Isn't it possible that the reason the mc doesn't pick up the breadcrumbs thrown at him is because he has a lazy side, and he's someone who doesn't have a go-getter attitude. Laziness isn't just about being a couch potato, it's a state of mind that makes a person disinclined to various activities or exertions.

Didn't the mc tell Doll Ella, when they were training transforming into a different form with every step, that he read some books about human evolution while researching his powers in the beginning, because he felt motivated that it might help keep him alive? You get that conversation when Ella asks you which led to human becoming the dominant species on their planet and you choose the body instead of intelligence option. The Mc is capable of critical thinking and deductive reasoning, but he may need to feel motivated to actually do so.

I think that instead of plot convenience, the reason the mc misses various breadcrumbs is because, unless he immediately or instinctually a piece of information is vital, or highly appeals to his interests, he will feel disinclined to put in the effort to connect the dots and come to hypothesizes and conclusions we as a reader have.

So, to summarize I believe this is a character flaw of the mc, like Deryl's arrogance, Jake's lack of confidence or Cole's stupidity.
It is 100% because of plot convenience, but so is everything. Most things are the way they are in a story because the author needs/wants them to be that way.
What matters is whether everything feels believable. If there's good in-universe explanations, like the MC being lazy and apathetic, then it's totally fine (from a technical standpoint - you personally might still be annoyed).
 

Zekethor2

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What an incredible job, my brother.
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I downloaded everything and converted it to mp3 and used an amplifier to increase the audio. For those who want it, here are the normal versions without amplifier and with amplifier.
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Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed it.
Unfortunately, YouTube significantly reduces the audio quality when music is uploaded there. So, here are the .wav files (higher quality) of the tracks available for you, plus two test songs I made about the Arbiters (just experiments, but still worth checking out):


That said, the videos are also great because you can follow along with the lyrics and spot some “hidden” parts in a few of the uploads I’ve shared like this one: (there's more in the 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 9th Apostles)
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Rusoskibi

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I found music that might be related to POWER AND SHADOW on Snapchat.
1 "I'm like peace of mind: scarce."
2 "This song will awaken your inner demon."
 

Deathgod097

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so . . . i'm replaying the game in another place with this new update and i don't know if i did choose the good choices, i mean right now i'm stuck with the second deal and reward choice with Tiffany and don't know what to choose and the walkthrough isn't updated since this version was uploaded a week ago, i need help what to choose or do i have to have multiple saves just to see what these choices can give me, Money and power i know pretty well, Sex too but . . . Love? i don't know if it is a joke choice with just a + point in affection or literal entering in her romance route
 

Elduriel

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so . . . i'm replaying the game in another place with this new update and i don't know if i did choose the good choices, i mean right now i'm stuck with the second deal and reward choice with Tiffany and don't know what to choose and the walkthrough isn't updated since this version was uploaded a week ago, i need help what to choose or do i have to have multiple saves just to see what these choices can give me, Money and power i know pretty well, Sex too but . . . Love? i don't know if it is a joke choice with just a + point in affection or literal entering in her romance route
iirc the wt mod when it worked recommended the love option, so the rest of the options didn't really give benefits but I haven't actually checked in detail.
 

Deathgod097

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iirc the wt mod when it worked recommended the love option, so the rest of the options didn't really give benefits but I haven't actually checked in detail.
I've already found out just +3 affection points but i don't know if it has an extra like entering in a possible romance route, i just chose sex with her after killing Dexter . . . now i'm more excited about the v1.0 more than anything else i want to know if Ella is really going back or resurrected, maybe a rematch with Cole, Valravn, Michael and Alice return etc
 
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Wait I am confused wasn't the seventh light, and darkness was the eighth, meaning people of Valravn's lineage shouldn't be good at entering the otherworld? Is it just Valravn who's super good at it?
 
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Wait I am confused wasn't the seventh light, and darkness was the eighth, meaning people of Valravn's lineage shouldn't be good at entering the otherworld? Is it just Valravn who's super good at it?
it doesn't mean they SHOULDNT be good at it it just means its harder but they can if they are lucky and powerful enough and know how to. heck even Michael deryl and allice did they just didn't realize it really.
 

Jakitojakito

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Maybe it is just me, but I felt this update a little short in a certain aspect. Yuren's fight was cool and all, but I don't know, it seems like the update was just cut in the middle. Steven told us to help H.E.R.O, and we have done everything BUT that. I get that they were extremely busy but c'mon, don't just cut it when we can ACTUALLY do what we came to do in the first place, at least let me see how Nico is, Alexis, Bernhard, Henri, Nix, you know, the people we came to help.
 
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