T.Geiger

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Alas, the game is now effectively dead.
Not terribly surprised by this outcome. The writing has been on the wall since the first announcement of Loser. What I am surprised by is how long it took.

As someone who has spent a lot of time with Baal's code, his issues with his Ren'Py code-base are not insurmountable. But they are far from insignificant either. The only likely feasible way to resolve these issues while keeping the lights on would be to have someone else rewrite it while he continues to add content (a difficult prospect at best).

Anyway, I wish him the best of luck on his new project.
 

Strec

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So you consider the anouncement of of SP2 (in reallity SP3) as the end of Loser?

I follow Baal since the Rags version and the reason of the the end was the difficulty and time needed to find real porn images corresponding to the story.
This was solved in the Renpy version but resulted to having some sparse scenes every 2 months.

And it also resulted to free some time to add a lot, a lot, of new features and chars. But without never finished ones... and finally the crash.

The problem is that Baal seems working instinctively (or it is the Patreon system whic conduct to this, don't know) jumping from an idea to another resulting in a situation where finishing the previous feature become boring because the new one is far more interesting for the dev.

It's a so a classical trap when the one who does the job is also the one who find the ideas and the one who decide of the next content.
 
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I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/func_action_processing.rpy", line 246, in script
call screen kitchen
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 569, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
Exception: DynamicImage u'Characters/Mom/[m.outfit]_[m.pose].png': could not find image. (u'Characters/Mom/work2_horny.png')

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "game/func_action_processing.rpy", line 246, in script
call screen kitchen
File "renpy/ast.py", line 2009, in execute
self.call("execute")
File "renpy/ast.py", line 1997, in call
return renpy.statements.call(method, parsed, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/statements.py", line 278, in call
return method(parsed, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 569, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/exports.py", line 3057, in call_screen
rv = renpy.ui.interact(mouse="screen", type="screen", roll_forward=roll_forward)
File "renpy/ui.py", line 298, in interact
rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3276, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, pause=pause, pause_start=pause_start, **kwargs)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3693, in interact_core
root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 437, in visit_all
self.child.visit_all(callback, seen=None)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 569, in visit_all
callback(self)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3693, in <lambda>
root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
File "renpy/display/image.py", line 751, in per_interact
self.find_target()
File "renpy/display/image.py", line 652, in find_target
raise Exception(error)
Exception: DynamicImage u'Characters/Mom/[m.outfit]_[m.pose].png': could not find image. (u'Characters/Mom/work2_horny.png')

Windows-10-10.0.19041
Ren'Py 7.4.6.1693
SP 0.44.04
Sun Dec 5 01:32:25 2021
 

Cartageno

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We want update, rabbits
I recommend reading this thread, posts of the last week or so, before posting something that has been extensively discussed already. While according to the rules of F95 there is no "abandoned" tag on this thread yet, there just as well might be.

(Also please don't use "we" when talking about yourself)
 
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I recommend reading this thread, posts of the last week or so, before posting something that has been extensively discussed already. While according to the rules of F95 there is no "abandoned" tag on this thread yet, there just as well might be.

(Also please don't use "we" when talking about yourself)
My comment does not contain any question, dudec
 

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Well, there's no downsides here for me. SP was nigh impenetrable and I wasn't motivated to do anything in it after awhile. If this is actually the death of the game, whatever. If he does a remake with a trimmed down cast and improved mechanics, great. Maybe I'll actually play that.

Can't say I appreciate the months of radio silence though. I mean, I do contribute to the pateron page, so having actual updates show up every week or two would be nice.

Hopefully Loser isn't dead too. Seems like it's just getting into the good parts.
 
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The dev did suggest he's going to get the update promised for last month out sometime and maybe perhaps consider doing some other small bits sometime in the future. But the update is really scenes with one woman and bits and pieces of scenes with another from what I gathered. No new game play.
 
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Yeah, the writing has been on the wall for this one for a while. Long dev silences are always bad news, especially for one who has actually been relatively communicative in the past. Starting a "side project" is also a big red flag that the main project no longer has much passion behind it. It would be nice if the characters in place could at least get finished... but at the current pace, that might still take a year or two, so, yeah, probably best to move on.

The biggest disappointment here is where the announcement was placed. The Discord? Really? Shouldn't this sort of thing go to your Patreons first? I don't know when it was posted on Discord, but it's been almost a week now since the decision was reposted here. How long is Baal going to sit on this before actually informing the people who are contributing cash money?
 

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Yeah, the writing has been on the wall for this one for a while. Long dev silences are always bad news, especially for one who has actually been relatively communicative in the past. Starting a "side project" is also a big red flag that the main project no longer has much passion behind it. It would be nice if the characters in place could at least get finished... but at the current pace, that might still take a year or two, so, yeah, probably best to move on.

The biggest disappointment here is where the announcement was placed. The Discord? Really? Shouldn't this sort of thing go to your Patreons first? I don't know when it was posted on Discord, but it's been almost a week now since the decision was reposted here. How long is Baal going to sit on this before actually informing the people who are contributing cash money?
I agree that stuff like this should be all over the relevant sites. However having had a similar experience in a completely unrelated field (no lewds, no payments or similar, just a regular club and his updates) some people are using discord so much they cannot think anymore that there may be people which they cannot reach this way. So with good faith they may think "I told everybody".
 

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I agree that stuff like this should be all over the relevant sites. However having had a similar experience in a completely unrelated field (no lewds, no payments or similar, just a regular club and his updates) some people are using discord so much they cannot think anymore that there may be people which they cannot reach this way. So with good faith they may think "I told everybody".
If that's the case, he should readjust his thinking if he wants to keep his account. I'm not sure what the overlap between his Patreon and his Discord are, but he's already in a red zone regarding his content and Patreon's current disinterest in being the main funding method for adult content, particularly incest. If he gets many complaints about the project being cancelled without informing Patreons, he's likely to get his account suspended as soon as they do a manual review of what he's actually producing.
 
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on one hand this COULD mean faster updates if the dev actually switches to an engine he feels comfortable with on the other it seems that no matter what engine he chooses he already seems to be burnt out on superpowered itself and probably prefers loser which imho is a pretty standard dime a dozen weg while superpowered was actually unique.
 
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on one hand this COULD mean faster updates if the dev actually switches to an engine he feels comfortable with on the other it seems that no matter what engine he chooses he already seems to be burnt out on superpowered itself and probably prefers loser which imho is a pretty standard dime a dozen weg while superpowered was actually unique.
To be frank, both this and Loser could easily be handled by Ren'Py.
As for feeling burnt out, he has been making SP for years and already changed engines once.
The fact that he's developing Loser with Unity probably means that he could be using that for future games.
With regards to this game, I'm looking forward to see where it's going to go from here.
I used to play every build but then life got busy for me. I only play when I have the time now.
 

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To be frank, both this and Loser could easily be handled by Ren'Py.
Actually I was surprised how well it ran under Ren'Py. But while you can do a lot of stuff in Ren'Py (obviously, we know that this game exists and works) the idea that you can do it in Ren'Py doesn't necessarily mean that you would want to use this engine. Especially if there are better tools suited towards this specific task - or even suited towards this dev. The ease with which you can implement certain tasks in Ren'Py comes at the cost of a more cumbersome than necessary approach once you leave that area and lower efficiency.

Of course as a player I always like Ren'Py with the known convenience like CTRL skipping, rollback, known save game location and so on (unless the lack of efficiency means major lagging, which happens in some otherwise good sandboxy games) but that a dev doesn't want to work with Ren'Py on a project of this kind I can understand.
 
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