RPGM Sword Art Online: The Trap of Breath Concealed Magic [Part 2 v0.551] [Fujino]

[4-kun]

See, that would be the 'realistic' approach with Inoda, but I think it's pretty obvious he's NOT gonna be that way because he's firmly a NTR Cliche Ugly Bastard inside, nevermind mentally unstable, this is the guy who legit thinks Asuna should have fallen in love with him and away from the love of her life because of all his machinations and because he got to fuck her on the rainy night (Which ironically is what would normally happen in your usual NTR setting in his 'defense', LOL). And later in his rage when that didn't happen he punched through his computer's screen. I don't see him suddenly becoming buddy-buddy with Kirito in the slightest even if he gets Asuna, if anything he would be laughing behind his back harder most likely XP And regarding Kirito, and I say this as someone that actually likes him, I REALLY don't see Fujino being that 'nice' to him at all, if anything the 'Cuck-loving Route' is more likely gonna be Kirito ends up like that dude from the church in Part 1, where all he enjoys is seeing the girl getting fucked by others and masturbating to it but never getting any himself because that would be considered 'good' and in most NTR cliches the guy never getting any is a 'must'.

Mind you, I DO find your mental image an idea hilarious and funny, and honestly would love such an outcome, a very comedic and original end for a NTR game that started out as 100% cliche NTR all around, but I just plain out can't see Fujino writing that, that's why all I'm imagining out of Suguha's new 'path' (If it doesn't devolve back into her becoming Hebishima's bitch the very next update because people kept bitching about this one) is her being all happy and Kirito unaware or miserable, but not Kirito who I like as much as her being content with the situation, because I can't imagine Fujino being that nice to the NTR-ed MC XP

If I remember correctly, Fujino didn't plan to do a cuck-route initially? To be honest, I still can't imagine how you could implement it properly in this story, aside from just without reason.
For that, he would need to split the story, perk and stat development at some point, but until now, there is literally no buildup to that. Yeah, you get some cuck-points for watching other people, but watching other people is not the same as watching your LI, so idk.^^

As an ending, I think something like Kirito never figured out why Asuna broke up with him and just went abroad alone and frustrated. End of story

But I don't give up on believing in a Sugu-dom ending.

 

[kinglionheart]

If I remember correctly, Fujino didn't plan to do a cuck-route initially? To be honest, I still can't imagine how you could implement it properly in this story, aside from just without reason.
For that, he would need to split the story, perk and stat development at some point, but until now, there is literally no buildup to that. Yeah, you get some cuck-points for watching other people, but watching other people is not the same as watching your LI, so idk.^^

As an ending, I think something like Kirito never figured out why Asuna broke up with him and just went abroad alone and frustrated. End of story

But I don't give up on believing in a Sugu-dom ending.

The first time I remember Fujino mention endings was near end of Part 1 where he said there will be a Kirito knows and Kirito don't know ending. If he said something different before then I don't know about it.

There was a bit of foreshadowing or buildup for Kirito becoming a cuck. In the Part 1 there was a couple in FOG where the wife fucks other men in the church while the husband watches happily. The husband even explains to Kirito the joys of watch someone else fuck your LI. Kirito was disturbed by him but not completely denied them. So there was SOME foreshadowing. I hope the couple comes back.

The green bar seems more like a perversion meter instead of a cuck meter. Also the perks and stats only affect Asuna so I don't think whether Kirito becomes a cuck or not should affects any of those. Unless Asuna suddenly also develops a taste for watching Kirito watch her fuck Inoda.

 

[4-kun]

The first time I remember Fujino mention endings was near end of Part 1 where he said there will be a Kirito knows and Kirito don't know ending. If he said something different before then I don't know about it.

There was a bit of foreshadowing or buildup for Kirito becoming a cuck. In the Part 1 there was a couple in FOG where the wife fucks other men in the church while the husband watches happily. The husband even explains to Kirito the joys of watch someone else fuck your LI. Kirito was disturbed by him but not completely denied them. So there was SOME foreshadowing. I hope the couple comes back.

The green bar seems more like a perversion meter instead of a cuck meter. Also the perks and stats only affect Asuna so I don't think whether Kirito becomes a cuck or not should affects any of those. Unless Asuna suddenly also develops a taste for watching Kirito watch her fuck Inoda.

Hmm, okay, so you think Kirito will be watching without them knowing it.
But, probably the admin will just allow him to remember what he sees in the recollection room

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

If I remember correctly, Fujino didn't plan to do a cuck-route initially? To be honest, I still can't imagine how you could implement it properly in this story, aside from just without reason.
For that, he would need to split the story, perk and stat development at some point, but until now, there is literally no buildup to that. Yeah, you get some cuck-points for watching other people, but watching other people is not the same as watching your LI, so idk.^^

As an ending, I think something like Kirito never figured out why Asuna broke up with him and just went abroad alone and frustrated. End of story

But I don't give up on believing in a Sugu-dom ending.

The first time I remember Fujino mention endings was near end of Part 1 where he said there will be a Kirito knows and Kirito don't know ending. If he said something different before then I don't know about it.

There was a bit of foreshadowing or buildup for Kirito becoming a cuck. In the Part 1 there was a couple in FOG where the wife fucks other men in the church while the husband watches happily. The husband even explains to Kirito the joys of watch someone else fuck your LI. Kirito was disturbed by him but not completely denied them. So there was SOME foreshadowing. I hope the couple comes back.

The green bar seems more like a perversion meter instead of a cuck meter. Also the perks and stats only affect Asuna so I don't think whether Kirito becomes a cuck or not should affects any of those. Unless Asuna suddenly also develops a taste for watching Kirito watch her fuck Inoda.

Yeah, Fujino DID say it as mentioned, and yes, as far as we know it's a thing strictly of the bars. Kirito becoming a cuck-enjoyer was teased since back in Part 1 as mentioned, and some of the answers he gives when the 'cuck bar' goes up if you choose certain choices in Part 2 seem to be slowly building up to that, but again, just one route, not the only one.

Granted, I also wanna hope for the "Suguha-wins" route, but regardless of how that goes I already accepted Kirito is not gonna be happy at all with the outcome, only Sugu, or completely ignorant in the 'worst' case (Aka she just keeps doing him while he's sleeping/in-game XD).

 

[4-kun]

Yeah, Fujino DID say it as mentioned, and yes, as far as we know it's a thing strictly of the bars. Kirito becoming a cuck-enjoyer was teased since back in Part 1 as mentioned, and some of the answers he gives when the 'cuck bar' goes up if you choose certain choices in Part 2 seem to be slowly building up to that, but again, just one route, not the only one.

Granted, I also wanna hope for the "Suguha-wins" route, but regardless of how that goes I already accepted Kirito is not gonna be happy at all with the outcome, only Sugu, or completely ignorant in the 'worst' case (Aka she just keeps doing him while he's sleeping/in-game XD).

Yeah, Kirito's story will not end well in this game, thats for sure ^^ but on a bigger scale, he is still a high school student; it's better to lose your cheating gf at that stage and move on, so it's not necessarily bad for him. The real loser is certainly Asuna which will turn into a mindless breeding machine among others in Inodas little harem

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Yeah, Kirito's story will not end well in this game, thats for sure ^^ but on a bigger scale, he is still a high school student; it's better to lose your cheating gf at that stage and move on, so it's not necessarily bad for him. The real loser is certainly Asuna which will turn into a mindless breeding machine among others in Inodas little harem

Oh yeah, I mean, if we're 'realistic' than yes, realistically Kirito would end up 'better', especially if Suguha actually does get rid of Hebishima because she got addicted to his dick, but I don't think NTR games are meant for anyone to think about such a hypothetical future, just that the MC 'lost' because their gf was stolen XD

 

[4-kun]

Oh yeah, I mean, if we're 'realistic' than yes, realistically Kirito would end up 'better', especially if Suguha actually does get rid of Hebishima because she got addicted to his dick, but I don't think NTR games are meant for anyone to think about such a hypothetical future, just that the MC 'lost' because their gf was stolen XD

Even so, imo, he's still in a better position than her
I mean, yeah, in that kind of NTR, you are not expected to think, but not all NTR is like this. On the other hand, Fujino builds up a future for Kirito storywise, so maybe there will be like an open end for him in a sense. We'll see I guess

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Even so, imo, he's still in a better position than her
I mean, yeah, in that kind of NTR, you are not expected to think, but not all NTR is like this. On the other hand, Fujino builds up a future for Kirito storywise, so maybe there will be like an open end for him in a sense. We'll see I guess

Again, as I said I would love that but I plain out can't see Fujino making such an ending, all his writing in previous games and at the beginning of this one have revolved around making sure Kirito's life is painted to be miserable when it comes to girls and easily-cuckable with as many NTR cliches as possible regardless of they being inaccurate to Canon (Small dick and unable to last long in bed at all XP), which is why the Suguha twist shocked me so much as I plain out did NOT expect it to happen, in fact I actually was waiting for the moment where Sugu would just start going about how his dick was nothing like Hebishima's in a disappointed/sad way...so it going the completely opposite way was great, but I still fear it may not last beyond that previous update, so for now I wanna keep my expectations low as this is completely new territory when it comes to Fujino's writing and on top of that he's being pestered by people complaining about the update too, so I will wait and see cautiously for now while still expecting the worst despite my own views :O

 

[4-kun]

Again, as I said I would love that but I plain out can't see Fujino making such an ending, all his writing in previous games and at the beginning of this one have revolved around making sure Kirito's life is painted to be miserable when it comes to girls and easily-cuckable with as many NTR cliches as possible regardless of they being inaccurate to Canon (Small dick and unable to last long in bed at all XP), which is why the Suguha twist shocked me so much as I plain out did NOT expect it to happen, in fact I actually was waiting for the moment where Sugu would just start going about how his dick was nothing like Hebishima's in a disappointed/sad way...so it going the completely opposite way was great, but I still fear it may not last beyond that previous update, so for now I wanna keep my expectations low as this is completely new territory when it comes to Fujino's writing and on top of that he's being pestered by people complaining about the update too, so I will wait and see cautiously for now while still expecting the worst despite my own views :O

I feel the same way, regarding Sugu. As for the main story, I'm not too invested; these are just my thoughts, because Fujino did introduce a storyline where Kirito goes abroad, but I assume it's mainly to depict him focusing on studying and working, allowing Asuna x Inoda to have more time for themselves.

I enjoy contemplating how the story could deviate from typical clichés (and practicing my English).

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

I feel the same way, regarding Sugu. As for the main story, I'm not too invested; these are just my thoughts, because Fujino did introduce a storyline where Kirito goes abroad, but I assume it's mainly to depict him focusing on studying and working, allowing Asuna x Inoda to have more time for themselves.

I enjoy contemplating how the story could deviate from typical clichés (and practicing my English).

LMAO, okay, I don't blame you because you dropped SAO after S1, but actually that's not really Fujino, this is another Canon SAO thing XD Much like the whole issue between Asuna and her mom is Canon from the Mother's Rosario Arc/S2, with only the reasons for it changing to fit the NTR/corrupted world, Kirito asking Asuna to go abroad because he wanted to study there is also what happens at the beginning of S3/Alicization (Of course these plans get completely derailed in Canon because of an incident that happens and that starts the arc as a whole, but that doesn't matter here XP). But no, the only real reason Kirito was willing to do that was because Asuna agreed to go with him, if she dumped him you can bet your ass he wouldn't be up to leaving anymore (Which hilariously would be a win for Sugu if her current 'route' continues )

 

[4-kun]

LMAO, okay, I don't blame you because you dropped SAO after S1, but actually that's not really Fujino, this is another Canon SAO thing XD Much like the whole issue between Asuna and her mom is Canon from the Mother's Rosario Arc/S2, with only the reasons for it changing to fit the NTR/corrupted world, Kirito asking Asuna to go abroad because he wanted to study there is also what happens at the beginning of S3/Alicization (Of course these plans get completely derailed in Canon because of an incident that happens and that starts the arc as a whole, but that doesn't matter here XP). But no, the only real reason Kirito was willing to do that was because Asuna agreed to go with him, if she dumped him you can bet your ass he wouldn't be up to leaving anymore (Which hilariously would be a win for Sugu if her current 'route' continues )

I've completed a few NTR games, but I lean towards darker ones or with decent storytelling. I'm not sure about the typical endings for the MC in cliché NTR games. Is there a certain pattern? The ones I've played with cliché routes also had multiple endings.

 

[jowishg]

Do you guys know similar NTR/corruption games/doujins with the same relation between Asuna/Inoda ?

By that I mean a girl who loves her BF but cheats on him by helping a dude sexually because she has pity on him. Just like the whole arc of part 1 where Asuna jerks off Inoda etc. to make him feel what it's like to have a girlfriend. I find this type of scenario really HOT

 

[Sieglinnde]

By that I mean a girl who loves her BF but cheats on him by helping a dude sexually because she has pity on him. Just like the whole arc of part 1 where Asuna jerks off Inoda etc. to make him feel what it's like to have a girlfriend

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

I've completed a few NTR games, but I lean towards darker ones or with decent storytelling. I'm not sure about the typical endings for the MC in cliché NTR games. Is there a certain pattern? The ones I've played with cliché routes also had multiple endings.

Uhm, not sure what that has to do with what I wrote about how what Fujino was doing and you were referring to was based off Canon SAO, but here:

I mean, I don't LIKE NTR, some exceptions aside that aren't particularly dark, so I'm not very well versed in how OG games usually go, I'm talking mostly off the cliches usually seen in doujins. However, I played this one because it was a surprisingly good source of SAO Hentai, in fact it was seeing a Sugu CG back in Part 1 that made me look it up, and I checked out Fujino's other games after that, while he has had a bad reputation of 'abandoning' games, all of them are characterized by following the insta-corruption of the girls and NTR Chads/dicks reigning supreme over all other females' feelings or bonds, with a focus on the MC being completely oblivious/ignorant of the NTR all the while.

This SAO one is the first time he tries something different, so things are a bit more up in the air but that's why I was fully expecting things to just end 'badly' or 'not as badly' for Suguha ever since Part 1, hence why this sudden twist surprised me so much and I was all for it, but it's also why I can't say anything for sure, my reaction earlier is because that's how all of Fujino's previous MCs were going.

 

[4-kun]

But no, the only real reason Kirito was willing to do that was because Asuna agreed to go with him, if she dumped him you can bet your ass he wouldn't be up to leaving anymore

Sorry, for the confusion. I was referring to that sentence. So, I assume that's a typical ending for cliché NTR, where the MC gives up on everything?

I think what's unique about NTR is that it offers various types of endings, unlike other genres like vanilla and harem, where the conclusion is predictable. So it's somewhat amusing when some people complain about it saying that it's not how it should be in NTR

 

[4-kun]

Uhm, not sure what that has to do with what I wrote about how what Fujino was doing and you were referring to was based off Canon SAO, but here:

I mean, I don't LIKE NTR, some exceptions aside that aren't particularly dark, so I'm not very well versed in how OG games usually go, I'm talking mostly off the cliches usually seen in doujins. However, I played this one because it was a surprisingly good source of SAO Hentai, in fact it was seeing a Sugu CG back in Part 1 that made me look it up, and I checked out Fujino's other games after that, while he has had a bad reputation of 'abandoning' games, all of them are characterized by following the insta-corruption of the girls and NTR Chads/dicks reigning supreme over all other females' feelings or bonds, with a focus on the MC being completely oblivious/ignorant of the NTR all the while.

This SAO one is the first time he tries something different, so things are a bit more up in the air but that's why I was fully expecting things to just end 'badly' or 'not as badly' for Suguha ever since Part 1, hence why this sudden twist surprised me so much and I was all for it, but it's also why I can't say anything for sure, my reaction earlier is because that's how all of Fujino's previous MCs were going.

I've also played his previous games, not for the story obviously, but because I heard they have good scenes. So, I gave them a try. In the end, I found them just stupidly funny because of MTL and overly senseless pacing

 

[kinglionheart]

Do you guys know similar NTR/corruption games/doujins with the same relation between Asuna/Inoda ?

By that I mean a girl who loves her BF but cheats on him by helping a dude sexually because she has pity on him. Just like the whole arc of part 1 where Asuna jerks off Inoda etc. to make him feel what it's like to have a girlfriend. I find this type of scenario really HOT

On the game side:
My Neighbors Lonely Wife 2 is a game where you tried to get with the married neighbor. The middle plan involves having her pretend to be your girlfriend for practice. Not really pity but still similar to what you want.

On the Doujin side:
The two volume: Roshutsu Shoujo Yuugi Kan - Akira (Exhibitionist Girl's Play Kan - Akira) is exactly what you want. But it does have a bummer ending in my opinion.

 

[AlterInfernalAllius]

Sorry, for the confusion. I was referring to that sentence. So, I assume that's a typical ending for cliché NTR, where the MC gives up on everything?

LMAO, it's fine, confusions happen XP And no, it was more of an inference of his character by me, essentially during this scene in the Canon anime/the novels, it was very clear that Kirito was telling Asuna this because he WANTED her to come with him as otherwise he wouldn't, because she meant more to him than his whole future (Ugh ), but she obviously accepted. It should also be said this canonically only happened AFTER she had solved the issues with her mother, which was in the previous arc, so in the current NTR World of Fujino this petition is actually much worse in every way for both of them XD

I've also played his previous games, not for the story obviously, but because I heard they have good scenes. So, I gave them a try. In the end, I found them just stupidly funny because of MTL and overly senseless pacing

Yeah, that's the thing, Fujino made ALL his previous games work off the extreme cliche NTR Tropes, insta-corruption, all girls around are sluts, everything runs off NTR logic, all MCs are unable to satisfy their girls at all, who are all sluts at heart that only crave big dicks, etc. People relatively liked them, though, for his niche audience, so he was going well with them, it's when he made this SAO game that he decided to try something different for the first time, but if you look back at Part 1 you can STILL see traces of that a lot, especially with all the minor NPCs/side-characters, all of them and the world still ran on the same logic as all his previous games, with Asuna and Suguha's stories being the only exceptions (And Suguha just barely as it still happened incredibly fast that she got easily tricked, blackmailed, and fucked by Hebishima through a series of convenient stupid things and Fujino having to twist the timeline on top of that so she wasn't already at peace with her feelings for Kirito XP).

That's why all the changes in part 2 are so different from all his previous works even more, and I feel that may be one of the reasons people complained a lot too, after being so 'popular' for years with games where the girls got insta-corrupted his decision to drag things on even more by having Asuna had a 'realistic' reaction towards Inoda after the rainy night probably made people even madder/more put-off than if he had already done this before, Fujino has never been the game-maker they expected to do things like these so a lot of his decisions have really come out of left field

 

[Saifu88]

LMAO, it's fine, confusions happen XP And no, it was more of an inference of his character by me, essentially during this scene in the Canon anime/the novels, it was very clear that Kirito was telling Asuna this because he WANTED her to come with him as otherwise he wouldn't, because she meant more to him than his whole future (Ugh ), but she obviously accepted. It should also be said this canonically only happened AFTER she had solved the issues with her mother, which was in the previous arc, so in the current NTR World of Fujino this petition is actually much worse in every way for both of them XD



Yeah, that's the thing, Fujino made ALL his previous games work off the extreme cliche NTR Tropes, insta-corruption, all girls around are sluts, everything runs off NTR logic, all MCs are unable to satisfy their girls at all, who are all sluts at heart that only crave big dicks, etc. People relatively liked them, though, for his niche audience, so he was going well with them, it's when he made this SAO game that he decided to try something different for the first time, but if you look back at Part 1 you can STILL see traces of that a lot, especially with all the minor NPCs/side-characters, all of them and the world still ran on the same logic as all his previous games, with Asuna and Suguha's stories being the only exceptions (And Suguha just barely as it still happened incredibly fast that she got easily tricked, blackmailed, and fucked by Hebishima through a series of convenient stupid things and Fujino having to twist the timeline on top of that so she wasn't already at peace with her feelings for Kirito XP).

That's why all the changes in part 2 are so different from all his previous works even more, and I feel that may be one of the reasons people complained a lot too, after being so 'popular' for years with games where the girls got insta-corrupted his decision to drag things on even more by having Asuna had a 'realistic' reaction towards Inoda after the rainy night probably made people even madder/more put-off than if he had already done this before, Fujino has never been the game-maker they expected to do things like these so a lot of his decisions have really come out of left field

I think Fujino needs to stop doing surveys and decide for himself how best to make the game

 

[Saifu88]

the beginning of part 2 was good before the battle with the boss, then he decided to conduct a poll, the majority voted for a slow plot and fujino did so, but many did not like it