maybe because Kirito fucks his princess, and by the will of the plot suddenly oberon captures asuna and steal her from inoda and he better maintain good relations with her father xD or rather, not to make them worse with his attitude)Whatever it was, it doesn’t explain why Sugou hates Kirito and not Asunas father instead
Perhaps it's simply because he's a narcissist obsessed with Asuna (an added trait by Fujino—the original Sugou wasn't nearly this 'devoted')—a mentally unstable man who despises his goddess's current boyfriend. That's all there is to it.Whatever it was, it doesn’t explain why Sugou hates Kirito and not Asunas father instead
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Yeah, yeah, and since the almighty council is as blind as Kirito when it comes to Inoda, it’s just going to stay that way.
What sparked the Trojan War? That worthless Paris never did anything to wrong Menelaus—oh, except for stealing Helen away.
In Fujino's mind, Asuna is Helen. And let's be honest, most players here are probably here for her too.
Kirito, Sugou, Inoda... men bleeding for her? It's only natural.
In Fujino's mind, Asuna is Helen. And let's be honest, most players here are probably here for her too.
Kirito, Sugou, Inoda... men bleeding for her? It's only natural.
I was rooting for Inoda. Still am mostly. But when he turned on the only one rooting for him (for the most part), I started to shift. I'm just hoping when the next phase comes out
, it can only go two ways, that i can see, both of which I hope finally brings them into their collapse.
Anything else will likely surprise me but that's both points I see being the final reveal.
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Why can't we see stars during the day? Because the sun is too bright.Yeah, yeah, and since the almighty council is as blind as Kirito when it comes to Inoda, it’s just going to stay that way.
As long as Kirito remains Asuna's boyfriend, I doubt Sugou would waste energy on some ugly, obese pig around her.
Besides—according to Fujino's setup—Sugou is only out on medical parole, relying on Shadow Fox for intel. Why would Shadow Fox even bother reporting Inoda's antics to him?
Go on—I’m happy to dissect every ‘plot hole’ you think is glaring.
In the final temple scene, the light orb representing Yui clearly bounced near Inoda's position—a reaction identical to when she recognized Kirito during the crystal-guiding sequence earlier. There's compelling evidence to suggest Yui will become Inoda's ally.
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But judging by the recent changes that Fujino has made, Kirito (Menelaus) has begun to lose interest in the war for Asuna (Elena). Kirito had already had so many sexual encounters with other women in the game, as well as small actions in the real world, and I didn't see Kirito judging himself. You wrote quite well about how Asuna thinks about Kirito and Inoda, that if Kirito didn't save her in ALO and therefore she forgot his heroic image (especially if you remember that part of her memory was changed) and began to feel warm feelings for Inoda. OK!
But, Fujino tramples on any logic in what is happening, in changing the characters of the characters in order to support the NTR component of the game. The question is, why does Asuna love Kirito at the beginning of the game (if you read the status), why does she hold on to him? Why did Asuna forgive the rape? Why did Asuna keep talking to Inoda? Why don't Kirito and Asuna break up? If she's better off with Inoda, then why all this drama? In the future, Asuna will pretend to be Kirito's girlfriend, at Inoda's request, but why? What do they get out of it? Some kind of moral satisfaction? Yes, Inoda will probably revel in his sadistic power, but why would Asuna? She is rich, beautiful, and "smart.".. She doesn't need Kirito at all.
And the answer is simple - NTR logic. That's why Asuna remains "as intellectually deficient, morally bankrupt and sexually obsessed in this game." And there is no epic Greek drama in the characters of these characters. They just obey the NTR logic. Sugo, even if he found out about Inoda, wouldn't do anything because Inode is still needed.(I think the Administrator would have protected him somehow)
And this is what Fujino took from the canon. Sugo was supposed to marry Asuna, but Kirito saved her and took her away. In Fujino's game, Asuna was saved by her father, Kirito did not kill him in ALO, but for some reason Sugo's motives remained the same - to get Asuna and destroy Kirito. A hole, a hole.Whatever it was, it doesn’t explain why Sugou hates Kirito and not Asunas father instead
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As somebody else already said, what Fujino specifically said wasn't that "ALO didn't happen", but that "The Fairy Dance Arc" didn't happen, which, yeah, the story had already 'clarified' in a twisted way...ALO as a game did exist, it's just that things went completely different because Asuna's dad miraculously was the one to find out about Sugou before Kirito was even told about her being in the game by Agil's rumors like in Canon, and from there things diverged...but the truth is that things already had diverted a lot between Asuna being completely sexually unsatisifed thanks to NTR nonsense and Sugou being obsessed with her enough to actually sexually harrass her (If not actually fuck her) in the game, which the Canon Sugou never gave enough fucks about doing until it was to try and torment Kirito at the end of the arc, which as others have said means it makes negative sense that this Sugou would hate Kirito at all particularly, especially as he should be caring WAY more than his plans to create (Doomed to fail) brainwashing tech were completely ruined than losing his teenage girl toy...so, yeah, the more Fujino tries to 'clarify', the more plot-holes become obvious and visible because this game is riddled to the brink with them both from the Canon-SAO-perspective and the plot-itself-perspective XD
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In the canon, Agil showed Kirito a blurry screenshot in which Kirito recognized Asuna in a cage.(just a few pixels, but in this game Kirito can't recognize Asuna with a thin black stripe across her eyes. Ruthless bitch - NTR
). But in the game, Fujino Agil apparently did not do this. And then the question is why? Agil is in the game and he looks after Kirito, but he doesn't help directly. And Agil knows about Asuna's infidelities and does nothing. I can only assume that this was the original idea for the main plot, to separate Asuna and Kirito. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a twist at the end where we, as players, find out that Asuna fell into Sugo's clutches because of the actions of Aguila, Sinon, or something similar.
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It was so much better back in Part 1 when it was vague around what time in SAO timeline the game could be set. It was mostly us having fun guessing. Then in Part 2 Fujino added details to separate his game from the canon like Asuna's father saving her and things got confusing. A lot of people got interested in the differences so he had to make this Q&A and things got even more confusing.
Kirito always had choices. While not every choice could completely resolve the situation—likely due to Fujino's development constraints—even in scenarios where he's led around by Sinon or Alice, there are plenty of justifications to argue it wasn't cheating.
For an adult game, these explanations are persuasive enough. At the same time, he clearly feels guilt over it. As for whether these plot elements dilute the NTR experience? That's subjective. Personally, I'm all for it.
As for Asuna, I’ve already explained this earlier. What we see is Inoda raping her, but in reality, it’s more of a half-willing sex—the ‘rape’ element accounts for maybe 30% at most. A lot goes unspoken in their dialogue. Let’s be honest—many couples’ first sexual experiences involve some degree of coercion.
As for why she hasn’t broken up with Kirito: sure, he saved her life in SAO, but also... women can be greedy. What downside is there for Asuna to keep him around? At least for now, Kirito hasn’t done anything egregious enough to warrant dumping him.
From what I’ve observed with cheating wives and girlfriends around me, even when they’re head-over-heels for their affair partner, it’s extremely common to maintain the facade of a stable relationship with their original partner—until, say, the man finds out, and then she calmly ends things. So no, I don’t see this as a plot hole.
Given Fujino’s hints, Asuna might start considering a full breakup with Kirito. She’s already wondered—in that hazy, half-conscious way—what if she’d met Inoda first? It’s all down to how Fujino develops this thread.
As for Sugou, I genuinely see no need for further discussion. His hatred for Kirito requires only one justification: male instinct in competing for a woman. Back in my student days, I too harbored hostility toward every guy who approached my crush.
And who claimed he doesn’t resent Asuna’s father? Just because he didn’t burst onto the scene yelling, ‘Old man, I’ll kill you!’? Come on!
For an adult game, these explanations are persuasive enough. At the same time, he clearly feels guilt over it. As for whether these plot elements dilute the NTR experience? That's subjective. Personally, I'm all for it.
As for Asuna, I’ve already explained this earlier. What we see is Inoda raping her, but in reality, it’s more of a half-willing sex—the ‘rape’ element accounts for maybe 30% at most. A lot goes unspoken in their dialogue. Let’s be honest—many couples’ first sexual experiences involve some degree of coercion.
As for why she hasn’t broken up with Kirito: sure, he saved her life in SAO, but also... women can be greedy. What downside is there for Asuna to keep him around? At least for now, Kirito hasn’t done anything egregious enough to warrant dumping him.
From what I’ve observed with cheating wives and girlfriends around me, even when they’re head-over-heels for their affair partner, it’s extremely common to maintain the facade of a stable relationship with their original partner—until, say, the man finds out, and then she calmly ends things. So no, I don’t see this as a plot hole.
Given Fujino’s hints, Asuna might start considering a full breakup with Kirito. She’s already wondered—in that hazy, half-conscious way—what if she’d met Inoda first? It’s all down to how Fujino develops this thread.
As for Sugou, I genuinely see no need for further discussion. His hatred for Kirito requires only one justification: male instinct in competing for a woman. Back in my student days, I too harbored hostility toward every guy who approached my crush.
And who claimed he doesn’t resent Asuna’s father? Just because he didn’t burst onto the scene yelling, ‘Old man, I’ll kill you!’? Come on!
Over-focusing on the differences between canon and NTR Online is a misunderstanding.
All you need to know is that the main SAO story happened, but everything after that diverges completely—Fujino’s word is law here.
A canon Asuna would never get involved with someone like Inoda. You’ve already accepted a non-canon Asuna, yet nitpick about background settings? That’s putting the cart before the horse.
What’s making the plot messy and full of ‘holes’ isn’t Fujino—it’s your insistence on comparing everything to the original.
Look at his Fate doujin work: it’s equally detached from its source material. That’s his style.
Honestly, you'd save yourselves a lot of headaches if you just engaged with Fujino's writing on its own terms rather than constantly cross-examining it against canon.
All you need to know is that the main SAO story happened, but everything after that diverges completely—Fujino’s word is law here.
A canon Asuna would never get involved with someone like Inoda. You’ve already accepted a non-canon Asuna, yet nitpick about background settings? That’s putting the cart before the horse.
What’s making the plot messy and full of ‘holes’ isn’t Fujino—it’s your insistence on comparing everything to the original.
Look at his Fate doujin work: it’s equally detached from its source material. That’s his style.
Honestly, you'd save yourselves a lot of headaches if you just engaged with Fujino's writing on its own terms rather than constantly cross-examining it against canon.
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OK! That is, the "suspension bridge effect", but not strong enough because Kirito didn't save Asuna in ALO? Well, maybe Asuna's attraction to Inoda could be explained if Inoda was a really kind and helpful guy. But Inoda uses direct manipulation against Asuna, and Asuna herself does not see it. And he hasn't seen it since the very beginning of the game. If it can be explained now, she likes Inoda, she's a little in love, so she ignores his flaws. But how to explain such blindness towards a man she has known for very little time and whom she accused of rape? It's like she has some kind of "Stockholm syndrome" (which, by the way, explained quite a lot of her stupid actions.) It would be understandable if Inoda was a manipulation genius, but no, his manipulations are pretty obvious, and Asuna, as a "smart" girl, should have seen it. Again, NTR logic - Asuna is initially quite hypocritical and blunt, during arousal she is not able to think adequately at all. She is blind to Inoda's actions and very biased towards Kirito's actions.
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Can someone provide the folder containing all the hidden cgs of part 1 which are not in its gallery. I know there are many but can't see them cuz my game keeps crashing.
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To prevent this from happening, you need to make games in your original universe, rather than using someone else's setting, other people's characters, and elements of someone else's canon. I even think it would be less thought-provoking if Fujino's game started at the beginning of SAO, in Aincrad. But Fujino used several arches of the canon (with some modifications) as a background for their creation, and it is natural that in this case people begin to compare and look for inconsistencies. It will not be possible to completely abstract them.
Why are you so fixated on that one ALO moment where Kirito rescues Asuna? Their relationship was forged in SAO—when she saved him from a murderer, and later when he saved her during the final boss fight. That’s more than enough to cement their bond. Even if the ALO arc never happened, it might weaken Kirito’s character arc, but it doesn’t invalidate their love.
People operate on double—even multiple—standards. If I accidentally step on my brother’s foot at home, we’ll probably laugh it off. But if it happens on a crowded bus? I’d be apologizing profusely. Asuna sees Inoda as a weakling (albeit an unstable one), while Kirito is her partner. It’s only natural she holds Kirito to a higher standard while expecting nothing from Inoda. I’ve seen plenty of real-life examples like this.
Finally, let’s not forget—Inoda is the actual protagonist of this story. Is his ‘super luck’ really any stranger than Batman surviving a 10,000-meter fall, massive explosions, or a full-force punch from Darkseid? Remember, he’s just a ‘regular guy’ in a bat costume!
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So you wrote it yourself earlier:
She met Inoda not "instead" of ALO. It happened much later, after her father had saved her. Based on these words, Kirito didn't attach Asuna to himself strongly enough, and even as Kirito's fiancee, it's quite normal for her to interact sexually with another man whom she barely knows? This just confirms that Asuna in Fujino's game is a lustful, silly, hypocritical whore. All according to the most cliched precepts of NTR.
Yes! Yes! Just an ordinary multi-billionaire with the genius mind of a detective who knows 127 types of martial arts. Everyone would be so ordinary. Just like Inoda, he has heaven-shattering luck and excellent acting skills - no one notices that he is a sadist and a psychopath.
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I think everyone accepts Fujino's game setting and characters had to diverge from the canon in order for this to happen. But the problem now is Fujino's changes contradict themselves or require more explanation to make sense.
One big example is the since the Seed was never publicized, other VR worlds like GGO should not exist. As you said, an easy explanation would be Fujino's GGO was developed without the Seed but needing a head canon to begin with is the problem. Now in the Q&A Fujino saying the Fairy Dance and Phantom Bullet arcs did not happen contradicts what we seen so far like the Oberon molesting Titania scenes. Again easy explanations could be found but needing the reader to come up with their own explanation is a mistake IMO.
This is also my opinion but Fujino's habit of putting details in easily missing or forgettable situations might causing him to forget the details. If most people don't pay attention to details then it is not a problem but when he starts needing to explain things it will cause issue for those who remember.
I try not to put Fujino to an impossible standard. He is already a FAR better fanfiction writer than most fanfictions I read. But maybe because the long time he was been writing this story, you can see his story points coming in conflict with each other. It is a legitimate criticism if the his own story beats does not make sense and needs clarification. Also while Fujino being mostly radio silent is good for his mental health, it does not help this issue.