isn't it always the case with any strong fictional protagonist who has a beautiful waifu and is loved by many? that's why the ntr parodies turn out so good. there's a reason why naruto, my dress-up darling, and bleach have a lot of ntr parodies (because the bond in canon is strong)
Well, Naofumi (Shield Hero) can be justified from some side, after all, the first thing they do to him in another world is betray him. Problems with trust, psychological dependence on control. I think in Fujino's game, if Kirito finds out about Asuna's betrayal, it will affect the rest of his life. I have no doubt that he will look at all his future companions through the prism of Asuna's betrayal. That is, he will never trust them completely. He won't even trust Suguha completely.So true SAO was not the first or the last story about a teen trapped in another world, gains overpowered abilities, and got a lot of women. I still think Familiar of Zero did it first in that modern context but no one ever talks about it.
Really, Kirito's only sin was SAO became so popular. It released just at the right time and became a lot of people's gateway anime. But unfortunately it was the beginning of anime studio prioritizing quantity over quality. SO MANY lazy copycat animes with overpowered protagonist with harems came over like weed came afterwards. A lot of them with slave harem members which I am glad SAO never did. (Thank Shield Hero for that trope!) Kirito became the poster boy of the trashy overpowered MC anime genre. No one will remember how much he grows and suffers, all everyone remembers are the women he got through his growth and suffering! I guess it helps that he doesn't show to suffer any lasting effects of those trauma. The story only reminding us he still have those traumas at critical character development moments.
Prety much, yeah, sad but true. And funny that you mention Zero no Tsukaima/Familiar of Zero, I remember when I first read the novels that I was struck for how REAL it felt, ironically: Unlike most modern takes on the Isekai Harem Tropes, Saito actually reacted A LOT like a 'real' teenage boy put in such a situation would be, which is why he ended up kissing and kinda groping basically all the main female cast at least once, and the 'harem' stuff actually had consequences, oftentimes very serious ones, for the characters involved and their reactions (Like Louise running away period when he saw her and Henrietta kissing in the basement of the house), and had a lot of very serious stuff all around (Louise literally tried to kill herself when she thought Saito died during the war).........all of which was almost completely removed from the anime adaptation and titanically dumbed down and turned the fanservice and comedy up to eleven, for some reason, so rather than the interesting and weirdly realistic at times story that it originally was, ZnT became just one of the first slops of this particular genre XDSo true SAO was not the first or the last story about a teen trapped in another world, gains overpowered abilities, and got a lot of women. I still think Familiar of Zero did it first in that modern context but no one ever talks about it.
Really, Kirito's only sin was SAO became so popular. It released just at the right time and became a lot of people's gateway anime. But unfortunately it was the beginning of anime studio prioritizing quantity over quality. SO MANY lazy copycat animes with overpowered protagonist with harems came over like weed came afterwards. A lot of them with slave harem members which I am glad SAO never did. (Thank Shield Hero for that trope!) Kirito became the poster boy of the trashy overpowered MC anime genre. No one will remember how much he grows and suffers, all everyone remembers are the women he got through his growth and suffering! I guess it helps that he doesn't show to suffer any lasting effects of those trauma. The story only reminding us he still have those traumas at critical character development moments.
For Naofumi, buying a slave, Raphtalia, was supposed to be seen as a act of desperation since he had no other way to fight. But everyone just saw "hot slave part animal walfu!" without thinking about the reasons and consequences of owning people. So now almost every isekai power fantasy story would have a slave harem member for no reason, thanks to Shield Hero.
ZnT did feel more real than most other isekai now. It was charting new territories for its time. The anime did remove a lot for darker elements for harem shenanigans. I don't remember if the anime dealt with this but Saito found out his summoning actually brainwashed him to be loyal to Louis. That was a good arc questioning whether his love was real or magical and how much he actually wanted to go home.
Small correction, you're mixing fanon and canon there at the end (Don't blame you because like 90% of the fanfics get it wrong): The Familiar runes were NOT, in fact, brainwashing him to be loyal to Louise (Or to love her as others sometimes write), all that they were doing was supressing his desire to return home so he would be more likely to stay with the Master (Which also explained why he never tried running away at the beginning despite her awful treatment, on top of being lost in another world), but weren't affecting his feeelings or loyalty otherwise (He wouldn't have had so many arguments with Louise and 'cheated on her' so many times if the runes actually did that XD). Though both of them DID question their relationship and stuff because of it after knowing of the compulsion, but were satisfied that it was still 'real' after Tiffannia used her magic to erase that part from the familiar runes.
Yes best we end this now. But considering what this thread has been talking about the last few days, this has been a palate cleanser, in more ways than one.
Aiight bois, how we looking? Its been about 6 months since I last played this. We nearing the end or nah? (you betcha i aint reading +300 pages)Ah fuck it. Not going to play this update as i know i'll just feel unsatisfied with the update + want more as per usual. Will revisit this thread in June and hopefully by then, there will have been some mad developments/bunch of scenes and we'll be nearing the end (most likely not and Fujino will be ill/be swamped with irl shit like work for some months
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i've finally watched all of the hp movies now, and i'm feeling so sad and empty. it feels like something really dear to me is gone even though it's still in my heart. i even watched the 20th anniversary special, and it just made me even sadder t-t. i didn’t know that so many of the cast have passed away... and that quote by the late mr coltrane about how hagrid will live on even if he's not with us anymore... it broke me. i would never watch anything related my childhood ever again t-t
You're completely missing the point about Saitama. He's a parody of overpowered shounen characters, and so his power is being stronger than anyone else. And the story is written with this in mind, giving secondary characters like genos their chance to shine, even if at the end of the day Saitama takes care of the stronger ones. Also, Saitama didn't just suddenly become "cool". Before he became op as fuck he struggled against his enemies and could actually receive damage.
don't do whataboutism. slop leveling is even worse than sao, what do you have to say about it?
When did I even say anything about solo leveling? You're the one doing the whataboutism here. My post was about how Saitama can't be compared to Kirito.
everything you said is made up. kirito's story was written serious from the start and he actually went through a lot. he was stuck in a death game where dying meant dying for real. he blamed himself when people in his guild got killed. later he nearly died in gun gale, and in underworld he literally had his mind broken. that’s not "no struggle” that’s actual trauma. and most of the girls didn’t just fall for him on sight, he built real bonds with them over time. asuna especially wasn’t some basic love interest, she’s been with him through everything
I hope this is sarcasm, because if you're serious, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of Kirito. In short, he was a beta tester before the start of SAO, so he knew a lot about the game system, but the only thing he really didn't have to struggle was against ordinary players, because he, cornyly, knew more than them and swung faster than them. But in order to survive in SAO, the only thing Kirito did was struggle. There weren't many beta testers, but knowledge of tactics against bosses can hardly be called an automatic victory. In the second arc, he struggle for Asuna, in GGO, he was on assignment for the police because of the killer, and fought for his life more than once. His skills in these games are explained by the fact that all these games are made on the same engine and the principles of combat were similar. That's why Kirito used the sword so well in GGO. In Alicization, he almost died of poison and struggle for the freedom of the virtual world when the virtual world became alive and chose to remain trapped in this world for 200 years, but to save it. Kirito's whole life is a struggle. If he were a real person, he would probably go crazy from the strain. Kirito has experienced more in 5 years than an ordinary person in his entire life.
Besides, beta tactics only helped so much considering bosses were changed to catch test players off guard. And lets not forget that the first thing he did after the reveal in the original arc was running off to grind like crazy - dude was planning to no-life through SAO until he finally got friends there.
people here been talking about Kirito more than any of the girl just stop he's not even that important anymore (never been) yet he's the main focus for some people. Are you guys that excited to see his boring handjob scene number 25 or him cuming in 6 sec before Asuna gets bored like be serious those scenes are pathetic for him. Thanks god the women are hot.
