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Count Morado

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Complete and utter sophistry and bullshit.
99%+ of early access games manage to not delete your save every time they are updated.
And it is in fact the greatest and most fundamental of all expectations one can make from an early access game
Again, you state numbers and opinions which you have no data to support your belief and yet you call sophistry on my comments.
 
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mrttao

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Again, you state numbers and opinions which you have no data to support your belief and yet you call sophistry on my comments.
Very well, allow me to provide proof. (something you will never do)

According to my F95 games directory I am playing 289 games downloaded from F95. I have tried some more which I deleted the folder of after downloading.

Of those 289 games, 1 of which breaks the save game every single version.
taffy tales = 6 releases in last 2 years all had this issue. Moreover there is not even an attempt to import them, we are flat out told it is incompatible. I had tried transplanting them before, it detected them as old saves and refused to try to load them.

4 games of 289 break saves frequently enough for me to complain about in my review. But not every single update.
wizards adventure
witch hunter
haremon
witch hunter trainer

1 out of 289 = 0.34%
that means 99.66% of games manage to not break your save every time (actually even higher than that, due to the deleted games).
As 99.66% is indeed greater than 99% my claim that 99%+ of games manage to not delete your save every single time is correct.

Thus your claim that early access games cannot be expected to, as a matter of policy, not delete your save files every single update. Is the height of sophistry. As 99.66% of games do not do it.
Note that the 1.24% of games that have frequent enough save breaking that I complain differ in that they at least make the attempt to import your save between versions. And often even do so successfully. They just have a failure rate high enough to have bothered me in their attempt at importing old saves.
 
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Stuck in the bathroom, while looking for Becca and Clara, no option to get out, any method of forcing me back to the school hallway?
 

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Very well, allow me to provide proof. (something you will never do)

According to my F95 games directory I am playing 289 games downloaded from F95. I have tried some more which I deleted the folder of after downloading.

Of those 289 games, 1 of which breaks the save game every single version.
taffy tales = 6 releases in last 2 years all had this issue. Moreover there is not even an attempt to import them, we are flat out told it is incompatible. I had tried transplanting them before, it detected them as old saves and refused to try to load them.

4 games of 289 break saves frequently enough for me to complain about in my review. But not every single update.
wizards adventure
witch hunter
haremon
witch hunter trainer

1 out of 289 = 0.34%
that means 99.66% of games manage to not break your save every time (actually even higher than that, due to the deleted games).
As 99.66% is indeed greater than 99% my claim that 99%+ of games manage to not delete your save every single time is correct.

Thus, your claim that early access games cannot be expected to, as a matter of policy, delete your save files every single update. Is the height of sophistry. As 99.66% of games do not do it.
Note that the 1.24% of games that have frequent enough save breaking that I complain differ in that they at least make the attempt to import your save between versions. And often even do so successfully. They just have a failure rate high enough to have bothered me in their attempt at importing old saves.
Agreed, but Uber is working on a alternative solution for it by giving us the option to start from the new content.
 
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Mary told me to go to her room and get her something. My notes tells me “I’ve got time to snoop about” I go to her room right after that and her room is lock. I try looking for a key everywhere but I can’t find one. How do I get in her room?
 

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Mary told me to go to her room and get her something. My notes tells me “I’ve got time to snoop about” I go to her room right after that and her room is lock. I try looking for a key everywhere but I can’t find one. How do I get in her room?
Are you playing v0.85.1a?
if not that is probably your problem. there has been a bug that deletes key items from your inventory for a few versions now
 

Byzantine

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Mary told me to go to her room and get her something. My notes tells me “I’ve got time to snoop about” I go to her room right after that and her room is lock. I try looking for a key everywhere but I can’t find one. How do I get in her room?
if i remember correctly its on ground floor of the house under the table
 

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Stuck in the bathroom, while looking for Becca and Clara, no option to get out, any method of forcing me back to the school hallway?
Shouldn't there a button that says go back to the locker room on the bottom of the screen? If its not there press the map button on the top of the screen, its next to the notes and inventory button
 

Count Morado

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Thus your claim that early access games cannot be expected to, as a matter of policy, not delete your save files every single update. Is the height of sophistry. As 99.66% of games do not do it.
Note that the 1.24% of games that have frequent enough save breaking that I complain differ in that they at least make the attempt to import your save between versions. And often even do so successfully. They just have a failure rate high enough to have bothered me in their attempt at importing old saves.
Thank you for your research. Interesting - it appears in your experience of your hand-chosen titles, even though not supplying your list of 289 games researched, that over 99% of your list don't have continuous problems with saves not being compatible over updates.

It is interesting to note that Steam actually makes a point of telling developers to be upfront about expectations during early access offerings on their site, including: "if you know your updates during Early Access will break save files, make sure you tell players up front." And it appears to be source of conversation between players over there, as well - including the mentioning of finished games which have save compatibility issues after patches, etc ( ).

That stated, I never said that "early access games cannot be expected to, as a matter of policy, not delete your save files every single update."

I stated "this is a product in development and no one can expect a project in development to work as it will be intended in its final iteration. This includes bugs, saves which may not be compatible, as well as other situations which may arise in a product that is not completed. You get the opportunity to play it while it is in development. You can choose to wait until it is completed. You choose not to. Any experiences you have with the product prior to completion are because of your choice."
 
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whitecode

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Stuck at the three cameras quest, placed all cameras yet still cannot get out of house.
(I tried different orders and it doesn't work)
 
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