VN Ren'Py Abandoned Tales Of Sanctaris Arcane [v0.1.2] [Gladerine]

[The.World.According.To.Me]

Aria doesn't really bother me i saw her controlling/jealousy as insecurity, do agree that the kiss came out of left field though that feedback was already relayed and changed.

The way i read into her constantly mind reading the MC is that she was seeking confirmation and validation.

She obviously cares about the MC as she improves her skill with the expressed reason to help him pass the test.

overall i like the game so far, i think if some of the things such as "you need to carry me" would be re-framed into something seeking closeness to the MC would go a long way into appeasing the critics.

I'm no writer or storyteller but given what i know about the story it could be re-framed as abandonment issues, maybe something to do with her past

This...

I didn't see an overall issue with her and the clinginess, I understood pretty quick that it was insecurity and as someone mentioned previously the mind reading without consent thing (which is addressed a little bit during game play) was a result of the same. She has trust issues and does these things almost subconsciously.

Unlike others I don't think she needs a rewrite at all. I previously agreed on the kiss scene and it being wrong but that was addressed already. Thank you.

(*Pulls over soapbox and climbs on top*)

Like any dev, you should write your story, your way. Constructive criticism is fine and to listen to it is fine but (call me crazy) don't change your vision of your game based on everyone else. No dev should rewrite their game to fit others. Everyone has their personal views, perspectives, fetishes, etc. and you are not going to make all of them happy, ever.

Ultimately, it's your call and if in reading some of the criticism you agree it flows better with what you are writing then go for it. Just seems to me some here are almost bullying out the version they want to see and have someone else do the work. Personally, I liked the game. Yes, it needs a little polishing but it's your first game and you will learn as you go.

Good luck with your game.

(*ends rant and steps down from the soapbox*)

 

[isnt NaN]

Like any dev, you should write your story, your way. Constructive criticism is fine and to listen to it is fine but (call me crazy) don't change your vision of your game based on everyone else. No dev should rewrite their game to fit others. Everyone has their personal views, perspectives, fetishes, etc. and you are not going to make all of them happy, ever.

Just to clarify, though you didn't include it the quote. the suggestion i had made in my original post is in no way meant to sway the dev to rewrite anything and i agree wholeheartedly with your above statement.

 

[Raziel_8]

I definitely agree with you, screwing them up would be way more satisfying lol.
Also Id much rather be single than have a harem in this universe with how disrespectful the girls are. I liked the fish character the best, even tho We cant fuck him.

Yeah, i would let Aria and Bella die in a heartbeat...
For the harem not sure, the one girl with big tits, which Aria was jealous about and the MC's ex seem ok...well so far.
But i sure as hell don't want a all the girls.

 

[bobdickgus]

I haven't played the game yet and may not ever based on the threads comments, but I have to say I am absolutely relieved that there are still masculine romantic men who will speak out about dogshit bullocks cuck bullshit. That makes me feel good! Thank you and I will read your comments before I try my next VN so I am not terribly disappointed.

You're the true heroes that suffered through this so I don't have too.

 

[Fazed]

Its funny how lesbian fans will say shit like this that is the perfect cuck's dream

I fail to see how 2 girls with which you have built a genuine loving physical and emotional relationship with at the same time(I typical ideal harem style) sending you pictures of themselves together, not with anyone else, is a problem. That isnt cucking you. In harem speak, they are your girls already. Its like your gf sending you nudes. Except you have 2 gf and they take pics together.

This is far different from a "gf" sending you pics of her getting pumped by the BBC that lives rent free in your head. That's a bicycle and you need to let her go. She's not yours. The conflation is abhorrent.

To be clear I am not a fan of what happened in this game either. It's obvious the dev has a huge blind spot when it comes to writing cohesively.

 

[Gtdead]

You talk about very vocal minorities as if implying that the people who don't like certain content are just a few. But then you admit that half of the comments are about ntr, then they are not "a few". I agree that the devs should make the games as they plan. But listening and adapting as much as possible without destroying the game's comments is not a bad idea. Wanting to give the idea that certain groups are a minority when we all know that is not true does not help.
and polyamory is not a harem. Some may like it but it's not what people looking for harem want to find

Do you think that out of the 35k views in this thread, only the 10-15 people who took part in this played it? Also of those that decided against giving it a try, what percentage would you say left because the game has been misrepresented as NTR?

Is the scene "designed to cause jealousy" as the tag description is specifying in f95 rules? It's not, if anything it's designed to show that MC will probably have big orgies with the girls down the line. It's about a confused young adult who had previous experiences while not being locked into a relationship with MC.

If I cared more about the opinions of anyone here I'd report more than half of them, including whomever added the tag to this thread. But I'll leave that job for someone who cares as it's been multiple times where the mods acted despite the rules, with whatever interpretations of them they liked at the time.

 

[Fazed]

So, Aria is the problem, then?

Would you be okay if I rewrote the scenes, rewrote the character, and gave her a more 'ideal' attitude? Because you mentioned you didn’t like half of the characters, but they actually don’t appear that much—definitely not enough to cause real dislike.

They don’t even do anything wrong to deserve hate, so I think you’re just really upset with Aria. I’ll work on that.

You need to take some time and think about how you want your characters to be seen. It might take a bit because they are your characters, meaning you already understand them fully because you created them. You know where their story arc will take them and why they have the quirks they do.

However, we the players do not. What you have done here is frontload most if not all of the negative traits without doing much to counterbalance them with the potential for growth. This will obviously make them unlikeable. Good character development isnt telling the reader one thing but having the characters behave the exact opposite. That makes the writing inconsistent, incoherent or portrays the characters as hypocritical, which is very bad if that isn't what you want the character to be.

Character development and power progression are my favorite kind of stories. I do not like when the MC is OP at the start or has everything given to him with little to no effort, but it's not like you can polish a turd either. It will still be a turd after all your hard work.

 

[Fazed]

Is the scene "designed to cause jealousy" as the tag description is specifying in f95 rules? It's not, if anything it's designed to show that MC will probably have big orgies with the girls down the line. It's about a confused young adult who had previous experiences while not being locked into a relationship with MC.

Bro honestly, If I knew a girl I liked was making out with her ex that just nearly killed me while I was dying on the floor right in front of them, the last thing I would be thinking is "oh man this means I'm so in!! The threesomes are going to be awesome"


Trust me I've used this line of defense for other games with less than ideal introductions to girlxgril or threesome content, while everyone else was spewing the usual "fake harem" or "lesbian ntr" argument. This is definitely not a scene I would defend, and if there ever was a case justifying the use of a lez ntr tag, it would be the above stated scenario. Totally uncalled for.

Its easy to point out that you can see where this game is going, because obviously it is true that the threesomes will happen given what the dev has said will happen, but that does not mean that the execution is/was utterly terrible and is actually counterproductive. It just made everyone dislike the characters, coming from somebody that likes this "lesbian shit".

It's about a confused young adult who had previous experiences while not being locked into a relationship with MC.

At this point I feel like I am turning into the type of commenter I've argued against in the past, but Imma say it anyway. If the ex was a dude and the very same thing happened I think there is a 99% probability you would be singing a different tune. I say this to put things into perspective.

This is an angle of attack that I have also argued against myself, stating that "well its a girl and will be in bed with MC sooner or later so its fine" but this ? Nah thats too far. This wasnt a LI attracting another girl for the MC, this wasn't two girls with a crush(or previously established love) for the MC sharing a steamy moment to tease what is to come(for those that like that).

My dude, She completely forgot that the guy that she supposedly can't live without is dying on the floor at the hands of the person she was kissing.


I'll say it again, if a [lesbian netorare] tag existed(I don;t say this lightly because I know if it did exist, it would likely be used incorrectly very often) this would be the first scene that I would consider applying it for and I am happy the dev is going to change it, because it is inconsistent with what the dev is trying to establish.

 

[The.World.According.To.Me]

Just to clarify, though you didn't include it the quote. the suggestion i had made in my original post is in no way meant to sway the dev to rewrite anything and i agree wholeheartedly with your above statement.

Yeah, and not everyone was trying to sway the direction of the game as was apparent in your post. When I started writing I did not intend to go that far into my post. I was originally just going to go with the "THIS", refering to the other part of your post. Then my fingers just kept going. (Sorry if you felt I implied otherwise in my edit.)

So I went with what I quoted and edited. I felt the main part that seemed like everyone just overlooked, since it didn't fit their personal view of events, was that her behavior was very obviously (to me at least) due to being insecure what with Bella leaving without talking to anyone, especially her and then the boyfriend ditching her for another girl (maybe cheating on her). Was her actions Immature? yes. Uncommon, probably not as much as guys want it to be. The MC made her feel safe and cared for and knew to some extent why she was that way (unless he is a complete moron) since he sat with her for months after Bella left and the Ex thing. I don't think that makes him a "simp" either, more just being a tolerant or good friend.

 

[Chris2041]

I was thinking the objetive of this type of games is make us fall in love whit the LIs and make a harem not make us hate them and want to kill them WTF .
Unless this secretly is a story of revenge for MC and we can make the girls our slaves that would be a better story seeing how the girls treat MC.

 

[Darkmessiah30]

I dont really care about game being doo-doo but this review was clearly made with Chatgpt, and with a very basic prompt
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Generic as fuck, doesn't talk about the game at all, mentions a non existent sequel as if it was a completed product and even forgot to remove the " at the start hahah.

On another note, talking about the game..... Maybe add ntr?? Mc seems to be a cuck already so

You think he was one of the reviewers for the new dragon age game lol.

 

[Fazed]

Yeah this is also pure bs
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- what overlapping friend circles
-There is only one MC, you make only choices for one of them, neither are there developing choices
-There are animations
-Sure it is spicy, the bitch cheats on you on top of your dead body, with the murderer no less...
-couple of days to unlock all content ??? The fuck are you smoking, there are like 3 scenes to unlock, one being forced
-where are those many paths ? and i tried lock myself out it with Aria, shit ain't working
-yeah no more words needed

Don't tell me bots have reached this site too.

 

[SamGoodwin]

You get a lot of criticism for the lesbian NTR, but I still want to thank you for all the hard work!

 

[Fazed]

You get a lot of criticism for the lesbian NTR, but I still want to thank you for all the hard work!

What a nice guy.

 

[Storm_13]

I haven't played the game yet and may not ever based on the threads comments, but I have to say I am absolutely relieved that there are still masculine romantic men who will speak out about dogshit bullocks cuck bullshit. That makes me feel good! Thank you and I will read your comments before I try my next VN so I am not terribly disappointed.

You're the true heroes that suffered through this so I don't have too.

Depending on how the developer presents NTR to players, you can be humiliated or you can make a completely acceptable sharing scene, of course giving the player a choice, or at least the wife of the one with whom you share your woman. Myself I am not a fan of NTR, but you must agree, playing in bland harems is also not interesting, there must be twists and unexpected turns in the story, there should be some spice, soft domination, etc, in general more different fetishes. Oh, and more corruption. I haven't played this game specifically yet, but I wish the developer good luck and inspiration.

 

[Black Orchid]

Is the scene "designed to cause jealousy" as the tag description is specifying in f95 rules? It's not, if anything it's designed to show that MC will probably have big orgies with the girls down the line. It's about a confused young adult who had previous experiences while not being locked into a relationship with MC.

If I cared more about the opinions of anyone here I'd report more than half of them, including whomever added the tag to this thread. But I'll leave that job for someone who cares as it's been multiple times where the mods acted despite the rules, with whatever interpretations of them they liked at the time.

i can't wait until some cuck will come in the thread and try to rationalize and defend kissing up on your ex-girlfriend while your "best friends" body is lying lifeless on the floor. it's also worth to mention that the MC was/is basically a captain save a hoe rebound

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called it

 

[BoldHead]

Abandoned...sooner or later

 

[bobdillan]

Wait no NTR? Why the fuck does it have the tag then? Girls kissing? God that is so pressed, as a NTR enjoyer please don't waste my time with that vanilla level shit.

NTR is NTR, whether you like it or not, lesbian NTR exists.

Complain to the japanese if you have a problem, or to f95 devs to split NTR into female and male NTR tags.

 

[isnt NaN]

... I felt the main part that seemed like everyone just overlooked, since it didn't fit their personal view of events, was that her behavior was very obviously (to me at least) due to being insecure what with Bella leaving without talking to anyone, especially her and then the boyfriend ditching her for another girl (maybe cheating on her). Was her actions Immature? yes. Uncommon, probably not as much as guys want it to be. The MC made her feel safe and cared for and knew to some extent why she was that way (unless he is a complete moron) since he sat with her for months after Bella left and the Ex thing. I don't think that makes him a "simp" either, more just being a tolerant or good friend.

Agreed, i assumed that since Aria seemingly only started going outside again a few days ago the MC was being more tolerating, as he did seem aware of it it in the diner after the DDR scene.

 

[Gtdead]

At this point I feel like I am turning into the type of commenter I've argued against in the past, but Imma say it anyway. If the ex was a dude and the very same thing happened I think there is a 99% probability you would be singing a different tune. I say this to put things into perspective.

This is an angle of attack that I have also argued against myself, stating that "well its a girl and will be in bed with MC sooner or later so its fine" but this ? Nah thats too far. This wasnt a LI attracting another girl for the MC, this wasn't two girls with a crush(or previously established love) for the MC sharing a steamy moment to tease what is to come(for those that like that).

My dude, She completely forgot that the guy that she supposedly can't live without is dying on the floor at the hands of the person she was kissing.


I'll say it again, if a [lesbian netorare] tag existed(I don;t say this lightly because I know if it did exist, it would likely be used incorrectly very often) this would be the first scene that I would consider applying it for and I am happy the dev is going to change it, because it is inconsistent with what the dev is trying to establish.

First things first, the scene has issues in general without the Aria/Bella thing. I've already gave my feedback on a previous post. Plot issues take precedence in my mind so that's that.

Regarding the second part, If you ask me personally, it entirely depends on the dude. If I could fuck him too (he needs to be kinda feminine looking though), or I could use the relationship for corruption and humiliation purposes as the MC, I wouldn't mind. There's also context considerations etc. But generally speaking, as long as there's a general sense of a harem conclusion with MC in control, I just don't care. You could argue that the scene made it look like MC is the greatest looser in the world and you could potentially be right (especially if you disregard that while the girls were kissing, MC was fucking a goddess), but if you had to bet money on it, what would your prediction be about the resolution 2-3 updates in?

Regarding your last paragraph, he has already removed the scene completely. And since the game is updated to 1.2 on this site, ntr doesn't exist in any shape or form currently, so it should be removed.

called it

You have to be a prophet or something, divining that someone will use the established counterargument to one of the most common criticisms in harem/polyamory style lesbianism.