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What Segnbora is referring to is the fact that the MC sleeps with multiple people without ever telling or involving Anne. This goes against their agreement and is therefore considered cheating.
Where he and I differ on opinion is whether Anne is cheating or participating in the cuckold fantasy of the husband. For me, in order to be considered participating and faithful, she must include the husband by including him in the act, including him in choosing the men, and/or always telling him about every encounter without wanting a relationship with the random sex partner. Anne violates all of those rules (set up by the couple at the beginning) nearly every time she has sex, even if you do not choose the cheating path for her. Apparently, for the author, once the wife has the green light she is free to do whatever she wants.
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The husband never voluntarily reveals any sex he has with women other than Anne. She knows about (and given the right set of stats, will condone; otherwise, watch out) sex with Nicole, and there are a few more instances she knows about — the swingers' party, the woman who wants to cuckold her own husband, the cuckqueaning event at the club, probably other events I'm forgetting — but aside from that, the MC hides and/or lies about all his extracurricular sexual activities. Rather blatantly, in some cases (e.g. the waitresses). She complains about this a few times, and specifically asks him not to fuck his coworkers, but the MC's behavior isn't limited by her displeasure, only the player's choices. Even if she finds out that the MC had sex with Chloe, she's unhappy, but just kinda shrugs and doesn't bring it up again.
You're right, I don't agree with any of that. What matters are the terms of their arrangement. The MC is obviously turned on by Anne having sex with other guys and being able to watch, but he's almost never objected to hearing about it later (Kenny, Dre, Drake, and so many other examples), and there are instances — Mike and Anne "going to the bathroom" at the beach — where the MC (correctly) assumes that she had sex and seems completely at ease with it, even though she takes a while to tell him about it. The point is that prior knowledge, approval, and direct witness aren't part of their arrangement, and never have been. Even going back to Punta Cana, Anne's free to choose her own adventure on their final night (as is he) and all it does is excite him. The MC only objects when Anne attempts to hide something from him, as with Ryan.
So while there's still some cheating, mostly on the MC's part but occasionally (the doctor) on Anne's, most of what Anne does is within the guidelines they've set up, even if it's not revealed until "handjob story time" later in the week. Fairly typical cuckold stuff.
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The difference in opinion highlights what I consider the reason for my negative criticism of this visual novel: The author seems to have put in place this plot mechanism that allows for the obvious and essential handling of extramarital relations by both the MC and Anne — and never uses it. That is that they agree at the beginning to share in this adventure, that Anne will be able to have sex with others and allow the MC to watch (or later tell him about what happened), and that Anne does not want the MC to sleep with his coworkers. It is the perfect point of contention eager to become the plot twist of this story. We do not have to wait long! Both Anne and the MC immediately begin to break these "rules" and are given the opportunity to be honest with each other. Unfortunately, there is no follow-through from the author. So what has developed is Anne's runaway behavior of sleeping with everyone and getting angry if the MC objects, and an MC who consistently cheats on Anne with no consequences. The story quickly becomes stagnant and turns into typical porn at that point. Is that bad? No, the scenes are sexy and fun. But they quickly become boring and I found myself wondering how many people she has slept with rather than what will happen next.
So, I see where Segnbora sees this as just a simple story of cuckolding. I see it as lazy writing and a failure to follow through with the story and the plot devices the author worked hard to create in the beginning. Even the sex becomes mundane and Anne's behavior becomes irritating — especially after the cruise scene! What would elevate this visual novel to a great read would be some emotion and reason to continue. However, maybe it is the author's intent to just provide plentiful masturbation opportunities for the reader.
So, I see where Segnbora sees this as just a simple story of cuckolding. I see it as lazy writing and a failure to follow through with the story and the plot devices the author worked hard to create in the beginning. Even the sex becomes mundane and Anne's behavior becomes irritating — especially after the cruise scene! What would elevate this visual novel to a great read would be some emotion and reason to continue. However, maybe it is the author's intent to just provide plentiful masturbation opportunities for the reader.
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Well, to be honest, I think this derives from the difference between the original intention of the game — willing, eager cuckolding — and an attempt to serve other fetishes, like swinging, cheating, etc. If the narrative was greatly simplified — Anne fucks dudes, husband gets off on it — this would all make sense. It'd be boring as hell (and since it's what's happening in the latter stages of the game, we know it risks being boring), but it'd be coherent.
Instead, we have all these kinda/sorta exceptions. She can fuck Martin despite her husband's objections, but then he can agree that it's fine. Same thing with Ryan. He can bang Chloe without consequence. All his coworkers, in fact. He never pays a price for overtly lying about the waitresses. He can screw Emma. (And she can have sex with his dad, again, just as Anne is, which is all kinds of fucked up.) He's able to get someone pregnant in both versions of the game, but will it ever really matter? Certainly that's not part of their arrangement...yet, to be honest, I doubt it'll ever come up again.
Right. Which is why I say that this is the only way to view the game in its current era. Anne gets railed by everyone with a dick, the MC does his own thing. You, I, and so many others had hopes that it'd be something more involved and complex, but it's just not.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I see all of it as lazy writing. That it's devolved into simple cuckolding makes me enjoy the game a lot less. As does the patently obvious narrative as it moves to delay any sort of conflict or progression. There was, in the middle of the game, some potential conflict...to the point that the MC and Anne could part ways. Right now, that seems so remote unless the player deliberately chooses to fight the core concept of the game. That Anne didn't get DPed on the boat, or with the cowboys, is just nuts. It's beyond time.
If all we're waiting for is another dick inside Anne, release after release, I fail to see how that's going to sustain interest forever. Yes, she can have sex with the known universe. But just being able to do it isn't that interesting.
All I was saying was that Anne's not behaving in a way that's ruining her husband's fetish by sexing first and confessing later. If anything, she's fulfilling it beyond his wildest dreams.
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These types of discussions seem to be cyclical over the past year or more. Several months ago I had advocated for Mike (the real estate agent) and his wife to make a concerted effort to lure Anne away from the MC. The turning point would have been the swinging party and the choice of the MC just wanting to watch. I think that would have created this tension that many of us would like to see.
I think the average age of those playing this VN is higher than what it is for most games on this site. Given that assumption, we demand a bit more intellectual engagement and although our hopes were high at first, now we see potential lost. Regardless, I think many of us see unfulfilled potential here.
I was also hoping that the mods started by Lord Ashram or SoiCowboy would prove beneficial. But, for whatever reason, those seem to have been abandoned.
I think the average age of those playing this VN is higher than what it is for most games on this site. Given that assumption, we demand a bit more intellectual engagement and although our hopes were high at first, now we see potential lost. Regardless, I think many of us see unfulfilled potential here.
I was also hoping that the mods started by Lord Ashram or SoiCowboy would prove beneficial. But, for whatever reason, those seem to have been abandoned.
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Mircom first made '1-10 chapters old.' It was the initial release.
Then he paused, revisited the game, and made changes to the old chapters. We have now reached Chapter 14 of the new iteration, which has few changes to the 'old' one.
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Old chapters are a bit sporadic, so the dev arranged the story more strictly into the main three path of cuckolding, cheating and swinging. The dev lost these strict paths again in the later chapters, but this doesn't lose the game's value significantly. Really its impossible to filter out all of the overlaps of the main paths, so Mircom made and makes a great effort and work to carry out his conception.
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Well said. I want to throw some support at Mircom3D but...I just don't see this going anywhere.
He can turn it around, just needs to tie this back to the few characters with plot and then advance it from there.
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Stev1 : Well said. I want to throw some support at Mircom3D but...I just don't see this going anywhere. He can turn it around, just needs to tie this back to the few characters with plot and then advance it from there.
It means, that for instance in the scene about Anne's journey as the stewardes of MC's father, to the sunshine regio of California or Florida, MC only dreams about Anne's adventures, without any colorful account about her delightful experiences.
It means, that for instance in the scene about Anne's journey as the stewardes of MC's father, to the sunshine regio of California or Florida, MC only dreams about Anne's adventures, without any colorful account about her delightful experiences.
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there was supposed to be a release at the end of the mnth but his computer crashed allegedly. he claimed he had to rerender them.
starting to notice a few creators dragging out release dates lately with different reasns but all winding up with a extra monthss of support foor delayed products
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No I did think there was an update last month but was confusing it with another game I play (AWAM)where I wasn't expecting an update till the end of this month. My bad
Really hope we get an update to this game soon.
Have been disappointed was last few updates ( since the start of the 2nd honeymoon / anniversary celebration ) I am hoping that the next update is a bit of a game changer as it should be for the Tuesday which is the day that the couple get the new activity email for the week. I am hoping that the MC grows a pair of balls and challenges Anne about her activities since the start of the holiday but alas I feel that I could be expecting too much.
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