VN Ren'Py The Beautiful Game [Ch.1 v0.9.8] [Daggum]

[pitao]

I'm simply saying that I prefer it if it was more consistent. For this particular case, the dev realized this themselves because they wrote MC to be consciously confused as to why Ivy behaved like that in the sauna with Hester/Kiki. There is an acknowledgement of her behavior being out of character. It's on purpose and by choice.

Hester/Kiki aren't club players in that scene yet so not breaking that zero tolerance rule, they are future prospects players and Ivy as an agressive/assertive coach/manager and leader (how many people I know that are "out of character" when on the job lol too many for my taste) has a plan and follows it using our naive MC to convince them to sign, not that he minds much even if confused .

About the zero tolerance it is just normal she would be assertive with the MC because of bad/scandal past club experiences of staff-players relations and she wanted to stand her ground, that happens in the beginning of the work relationship and she was testing the waters and see his reaction. Yes you are right, even on real life rules are bent and broken first by who made them haha so in a way is kind of consistent.

But I understand that people see it as inconsistent writing, I just see it as character development. Maybe you are right and we will see in future updates if this is that relevant or not and if get more or less "consistent".

 

[jadepaladin]

Hester/Kiki aren't club players in that scene yet so not breaking that zero tolerance rule, they are future prospects players and Ivy as an agressive/assertive coach/manager and leader (how many people I know that are "out of character" when on the job lol too many for my taste) has a plan and follows it using our naive MC to convince them to sign, not that he minds much even if confused .

About the zero tolerance it is just normal she would be assertive with the MC because of bad/scandal past club experiences of staff-players relations and she wanted to stand her ground, that happens in the beginning of the work relationship and she was testing the waters and see his reaction. Yes you are right, even on real life rules are bent and broken first by who made them haha so in a way is kind of consistent.

But I understand that people see it as inconsistent writing, I just see it as character development. Maybe you are right and we will see in future updates if this is that relevant or not and if get more or less "consistent".

"Hey, go flirt with that girl so she'll sign up for our club."

"Okay, now that she's in the club, no touching."

I can see how inconsistent writing would be tossed around. I didn't really think much of it because to me, it just sounds like modern sports with a little porn logic thrown in.

 

[pitao]

"Hey, go flirt with that girl so she'll sign up for our club."

"Okay, now that she's in the club, no touching."

I can see how inconsistent writing would be tossed around. I didn't really think much of it because to me, it just sounds like modern sports with a little porn logic thrown in.

hehe even with more porn logic and joking around maybe now that the MC prove his worth, he gets a free pass on the rule from now on lmao. I just like you didn't saw any relevance on this inconsistency, people are also inconsistent, some less and some more and in sports oh boy every coaches press conference is analyzed and scrutinized from its "consistence" along the season.

We in Portugal even have an expression about what clubs and their presidents and coaches say along the time, "O que hoje é verdade amanhã é mentira"/"What today is true tomorrow is a lie". That is famous line and got into the Portuguese football lingo after a club president said it in an interview almost 40 years ago lol.

 

[gino.pilotino]

I'm not going to reply too many times about this because I don't want to walk with my dirty shoes on this white carpet, but thought it's worthwhile to respond to explain a bit more of my thought process about this topic since some people decided to have discussion about this.


The problem with this logic IMO is that she's the one who made the rule herself. It's not so much of her willing to break someone else's rule (and suffer the consequence) to achieve the goal because she thinks the rule restricts her to get the best outcome. This is just her breaking her own self-imposed rule that has no consequence when broken. There is no willpower needed to do that.

If her principle is so easily overlooked like that, then clearly the principle is not that important. Hence, my comment about being avoidable if that principle didn't exist to begin with. This is further supported in the last update when Lotta mentioned about how the rule doesn't really apply to MC because he doesn't have any meaningful authority in the team anyway, and she's even willing to help MC hook up with the girls.

All in all, the whole "no dating" rule doesn't really serve any purpose in the game so far other than just for being broken and ignored.


Also, if this were true that she's willing to bend the rules to gain advantage, then the rule should have some leeway. But instead, what we got from the game is this. Zero tolerance means strict application with no negotiation and without exception. Yet, she's the one who broke it herself and of course no consequence.

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I want to end this by saying that it doesn't mean the game is shit or anything like that just because of having inconsistencies. I'm simply saying that I prefer it if it was more consistent. For this particular case, the dev realized this themselves because they wrote MC to be consciously confused as to why Ivy behaved like that in the sauna with Hester/Kiki. There is an acknowledgement of her behavior being out of character. It's on purpose and by choice.

For me, it makes sense from start to finish and is exactly what I was trying to say, albeit clumsily.

 

[gino.pilotino]

"Hey, go flirt with that girl so she'll sign up for our club."

"Okay, now that she's in the club, no touching."

I can see how inconsistent writing would be tossed around. I didn't really think much of it because to me, it just sounds like modern sports with a little porn logic thrown in.

I agree with that. You have to introduce porn into a (good) story that you are constructing. For me, this should not be done at the expense of the integrity of the character you have created. If you go against your own character, this will detract from the quality of your story.

EDIT: Some people create weak characters from the outset so that they can evolve in one way or another without causing too much disruption. Depending on how you want the story to evolve, a weak character is flexible. But not Ivy. If you create a strong character, they must remain strong.

 

[MiltonPowers]

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A birthday request for long time supporter and tester, blkcrow!

 

[MiltonPowers]

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A birthday request for long time supporter and tester, blkcrow!

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Happy Birthday blkcrow20

 

[motseer]

Yay! Birthday party! Happy, happy joy, joy birthday wishes for blkcrow20!!!

 

[Skylaroo]

Happy birthday, mate. Nice of Daggum to give a gift! Looking forward to see how Kimora and Penny's character to develop in the game too.

 

[Skylaroo]

Been meaning to ask in case someone is in the know. When asked by Lotta if MC is interested in any of the staff, the code for the choices are:
Yes = MC fancy a staff
No = MC fancy a player

Does anyone know if this matters at all? Is there a branch being planned or something?

 

[MiltonPowers]

Been meaning to ask in case someone is in the know. When asked by Lotta if MC is interested in any of the staff, the code for the choices are:
Yes = MC fancy a staff
No = MC fancy a player

Does anyone know if this matters at all? Is there a branch being planned or something?

It doesn't mean anything yet, and don't know if it will.

But, I went player. (Orla is my #1, so that helped), but mainly because of Ivy's rule.

We have no problem going after staff, but since Ivy said no to players, having Lotta's help to convince Ivy to ditch the rule can only be helpful.

 

[Skylaroo]

It doesn't mean anything yet, and don't know if it will.

But, I went player. (Orla is my #1, so that helped), but mainly because of Ivy's rule.

We have no problem going after staff, but since Ivy said no to players, having Lotta's help to convince Ivy to ditch the rule can only be helpful.

Thanks. I'm going the same and hope somehow can still get Lotta to be interested in the future despite her immediate refusal.

 

[blkcrow20]

I want both staff and player!! lol

 

[Skylaroo]

I want both staff and player!! lol

I want both too, but since I have to choose, I have to go with the players.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I want both staff and player!! lol

 

[SicarusDK]

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Absolutely not

 

[Eleanorduval]

I want both staff and player!! lol

Greed are drug

 

[MiltonPowers]

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Development continues to go well. No illness or annoying life stuff, and the day job is thankfully much slower than usual. Over 400 renders and 6 animations completed so far, and I only have 6 full scenes left to write.

As a reminder, this update will close out Act/Season One, bringing lots of storylines together. The plan is to release on Steam at that point. The endings will differ a lot between the light and dark paths, and some of your earlier choices will properly bite in this update. It's going to be quite the ride!

Stay awesome,

Daggum

 

[Skylaroo]

Really interesting to hear about the outcome of earlier choices other than dark/light path. I wonder what they are. I can only think of Jasmine/no that might affect the plot. Others seem just yes/no with individual girls. Maybe Penny will become important to the plot?

 

[MiltonPowers]

Really interesting to hear about the outcome of earlier choices other than dark/light path. I wonder what they are. I can only think of Jasmine/no that might affect the plot. Others seem just yes/no with individual girls. Maybe Penny will become important to the plot?

I agree. I love it when choices bite you in the ass. I know lots of pokemon players will get the shits, but as someone who likes to play multiple paths and different choices, seeing the results of choices I made 3 or 4 updates ago is exciting and sets the devs that can do brilliant pathing apart.