VN Ren'Py The Builder [S2 Ep. 8.1] [LewdRobotics]

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Cirdon

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Did a quick playthrough of B4, here's all the major changes I noticed.

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Honestly, not too bad as an Author's Saving Throw. I wouldn't say it's all the changes I would like, but it does a good job at calming the Gry Issue.

I still think that it would've worked better if we made Paul into a friend of the MCs instead of Joe Random Asshole, but this still works out.

Looking forward to seeing what happens in Episode 2.
I was thinking the violent sex fantasy was her fantasy, not his. Apparently the MC's been more damaged by his failing love life than I'd previously assumed. Or he's just always been into rough sex/rape and that wasn't presented in any of his earlier thoughts.

Also, I have no idea why there was no option to take a picture of Paul and Gry. Cell phones are ubiquitous. Send that off to Karla and move on with your day. Also... What nationality has a name like Gry? I feel like there's at least one vowel missing.
 

The ArcKnight

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I was thinking the violent sex fantasy was her fantasy, not his. Apparently the MC's been more damaged by his failing love life than I'd previously assumed. Or he's just always been into rough sex/rape and that wasn't presented in any of his earlier thoughts.

Also, I have no idea why there was no option to take a picture of Paul and Gry. Cell phones are ubiquitous. Send that off to Karla and move on with your day. Also... What nationality has a name like Gry? I feel like there's at least one vowel missing.
I missed that part, I was with you in totally thinking it was Thea's little fantasy about the MC.
Now it just doesnt make any sense....

As for Gry:
Gry (given name), a female given name used primarily in Scandinavia, equivalent to the English Dawn
 

Spfjolietjake

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Have you ever heard the saying
“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.”

Because I feel it really fits here. Sandbox has drawbacks. But every alternative to sandbox is somehow worse. With non sandbox you typically have missables and time limited events and backtracking to an earlier save which just make for a miserable gaming experience. It pushes you towards using a walkthrough so you do not get things "wrong", which ruins the fun.

With a sandbox each individual plot arc (whether it is a waifu or a plot chain) can have a self contained story. Can be done at the order you prefer (to a degree. you can have blockers such that X has to be done before Y). You can ignore specific ones. And you can still make choices depending on what kind of end result you want.

Furthermore with non sandbox you frequently need to restart the entire game. While in sandbox it is easy to add new content and then access said new content with an old save.
To me they are not fun, they are repetitive, and ruin vns. All I truthfully care about is my personal enjoyment. This turning sandbox would make all the other problems go away for me as i would never play it again.

Just my feelings on the matter :)
 

Spfjolietjake

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Lets give the game a chance to develop, before we jump to conclusions. So far so good Dev, looking forward to seeing if this is worth of supporting.
Nothing I said in any of my posts was jumping to conclusions but talking about the present content available here.

As is it's a fucking mess that has identity issues...
 
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Zeph3r

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Wait, so all he did was change the name? LOL
"Huh Gry was your name? You looks very much like this Jane girl I saw once..."

I honestly feel a little bad for the Dev, he obviously has no idea how the AVN community is if he doesn't see an issue with the way the story presents things. Even the way he says in the survey: "I plan to have 19 LI's so the loss of 1 slutty one shouldn't be a big deal."
Like... my dude, you obviously do not know what a harem audience wants... and just want to make a game of fucking pregnant women, which hey, good on you for doing a thing! But also maybe do some market research if you want to sell the thing you make. Alot of people don't give a fuck and tie no emotions to pixels on screen fucking, and maybe in his country, jealousy isnt as huge a thing, but if you look into any of the big AVN communities you would see a clear dichotomy between different audiences. He just... was not prepared.

It will be interesting to see which way he pivots from here, will he remove the harem tag, and just go with his original plans while stating "Its not for harem fans, its my own creation." will he take out the objectionable content and adjust his plans slightly to fit a harem player base?

I also found it odd that he said: "Well I have analytics that show none of my patreon growth was from F95."... well no shit you didn't get fans from here, a number of people pointed out some major issues why it wont do well here. Why would a harem fan from here pledge to you unless they were sure your game was going in a direction they liked? Maybe if he fixed issues and put out a new episode showing the direction then yeah, people would pledge but using a "Well no one here supports devs so I won't need to listen to people from here" is a fallacy.
People from here, my self included, support the games which align with our kinks and likes, of course we wont support something that doesn't align with our interests and so far, this game needs work before I'd consider pledging myself. I'm sure i'm not alone in that.
It's honestly interesting to see the difference in the type of reception a game gets just based on the context behind it. A game that came out recently which had a very similar - possibly misleading - description,
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, did not receive the same type of reception this game did and was actually well accepted. Why? The artist of the game is a well known hentai artist who is (in)famous for NTR. The first people to recognize it pretty much let everyone know what they were in for, which I believe is what prevented a mass review bombing.

If we had been provided a more detailed description about what is actually going to be in the game, I would say this game wouldn't have been reviewed as badly. Is the description provided actually misleading? To someone outside the AVN community, no it isn't, it's just a vague description of what the premise of the game will be about. However, with regards to the AVN community, the description is unacceptably lacking in information. People have their specific tastes/fetishes that they want fulfilled in a game, which is why almost every major game on this site has a full description of what the game is about. If it doesn't, they usually fulfill the established tropes related to the genre/fetishes they have included.

Like you've said, the direction in which the dev has chosen to handle this wasn't the best. Yes, this is a piracy site. However, it's sites like these that will usually lead to an influx of backers if done right. Hope the dev gained some experience with the AVN community after this, though it was unfortunate that they had to go through this experience as their game seems to have promise within the circles that support this type of kink.

*UPDATE* So I've checked out the itch.io page for this game and there is an actual warning about the content and it being skippable. Not sure if this is new but someone should update the original post to include it.
 

bobdickgus

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To me they are not fun, they are repetitive, and ruin vns. All I truthfully care about is my personal enjoyment. This turning sandbox would make all the other problems go away for me as i would never play it again.

Just my feelings on the matter :)
Sandboxes are my favorite games, AVN's are not really games compared to sandboxes like Skyrim, Morrowind and ARK survival evolved with potentially thousands of hours of gameplay with content of many thousands of person hours of labor and cost in the multi millions to produce. No AVN will approach remotely even 10% of this so don't bother to even try(because you will utterly fail).
 
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Spfjolietjake

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Sandboxes are my favorite games, AVN's are not really games compared to sandboxes like Skyrim, Morrowind and ARK survival evolved with potentially thousands of hours of gameplay with content of many thousands of person hours of labor and cost in the multi millions to produce. No AVN will approach remotely even 10% of this so don't bother to even try(because you will utterly fail).
I don't disagree that sandboxes are more "game like". I prefer visual novels rather than grindy "games" but everyone is different. Just a matter of tastes...
 
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bobdickgus

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I don't disagree that sandboxes are more "game like". I prefer visual novels rather than grindy "games" but everyone is different. Just a matter of tastes...
I think there is a misunderstanding, I mean all these porn sandboxes are relatively trash compared to an actual content filled game, I prefer AVN's because there is a limited branching story with some choices which is fine as long as at least one of the branches suits me. I find these porn sandboxes to be totally lacking in content to even be called a sandbox. At least with a similar lack of content an AVN is generally more coherent which is all I am saying.
 

loikl

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I think that the real problem with this game (and many) is not that it is ntr, but that it is another unfortunate game that has to resort to deceiving users by saying "It's harem" or "it's optional" (which in this case is not it is) just to have visitors, pathetic.

The story is ridiculous too, that is, they get the girls pregnant and the MC takes over HAHAHA and I thought I'd seen bad games before.
 

Gizmogobum

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Hmm, is it guaranteed that Gry (the girl in the bathroom) will get pregnant from Paul? If yes I'd rather avoid any interaction with her.
 
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Yeah just wait till later when we actually see the same model again with the name Gry and people not knowing what is going on saying wtf its got twins in the game ....... Only way to fix it would be 1 remove the scene showing the model or 2 redoing the entier scene with a new model. this is just going to create more confusion. Not like it really maters to those here as the dev has gone silent and in order to see any changes you have to pay. Last thing I am going to do is sub to someone with uncertain content when what has been shown is content I personally do not care for. It really is in the devs best interest to update the content here to clear the air and stop this but as I said he is keeping it behind a paywall.
 

DrakoGhoul

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To be frank, i didn't like that Carla thing at all. Her constant need to keep trying to drag the MC in her life and him letting her was annoying. Like why would i care that he's cheating on her in the bathroom? That's on her. She made that bed so she sleep in it with him and the others. What is telling her really going to do? She already knows he cheated on her in the past and yet she's still with him. I would rather not be involved at all and completely ignore both of them.
 

BlasKyau

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The game seemed interesting until:

1) the harem tag has disappeared

2) The NTR tag has appeared.

I have read something about the NTR in the game. Will it continue to be as I have read? Will the ex-girlfriend and the other girl be LIs? Has the same guy other than the MC got them both pregnant? Is the game intended to be harem or not?

I guess for now I'll delete the game and wait to see how it evolves.
 
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