Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[Sonico]

Which brings me to a part that has driven me nuts for ages : the poisoning.

Nobody but Cordia knew that the MC would be eating with the family, even Wilfred was surprised. So Cordia tells Wilfred to get the MC, he walks to the MC's room and that takes what ? Like a minute ?

Then Wilfred and the MC walk to the dining room and let that take 2 minutes. When they walk in everyone but Cordia is suprised to see him there, and yet in that time, someone managed to poison only the MC's food. How the fuck is that possible? Do they have poisoned food in storage?

"Table for six." - unless the family has some custom of always having an extra chair and dish prepared at dinner for weird personal reasons what to be fair, is not quite far-fetched someone had to be warned in the kitchen beforehand, even before Cordia told Wilfred to fetch the MC.

What means the kitchen personnel and the messenger (since i doubt Cordia went there in person just to inform them) were aware of "a visitor" at the table. From there all it takes is one person with a poison ring or anything else easy to conceal and discard to do the job.

Considering the mansion's kitchen could have anything between half a dozen to two dozen people or more, actually tracking down a mole/infiltrator among them all could become quite complicated.

So, just like in the Beachhouse incident, all it takes is one person "above suspicion" to turn traitor for all illusion of security to fly through the window.


As an aside, anyone else feels like Trino's motive seemed kind of weird - well-placed soldato that served the family for many years, to the point of joining the Capo's circle of confidence, accepting an offering money from someone he doesn't really know and has little to no insurance will honor the deal? Specially when such a betrayal, successful or not, would result in not only the end of his whole career and an insane level of fallout for him & his family (that being native lucanians could potentially be as disgusted with the act as the DeLucas)?

For me he seemed confused, maybe drugged or brainwashed perhaps - what if the attempts on the MC's life somehow related to the "Mysterious Six" who kidnapped kid Luna and later her father, who are kind of defined by being invisible and breaking people's minds in their works? Just a thought.

 

[TimHawk]

"Table for six." - unless the family has some custom of always having an extra chair and dish prepared at dinner for weird personal reasons what to be fair, is not quite far-fetched someone had to be warned in the kitchen beforehand, even before Cordia told Wilfred to fetch the MC.

What means the kitchen personnel and the messenger (since i doubt Cordia went there in person just to inform them) were aware of "a visitor" at the table. From there all it takes is one person with a poison ring or anything else easy to conceal and discard to do the job.

Considering the mansion's kitchen could have anything between half a dozen to two dozen people or more, actually tracking down a mole/infiltrator among them all could become quite complicated.

That still doesn't make any sense, because it would mean the traitor is part of the kitchen staff, which means really easy to track down and on top he or she has to be rich enough to hire an assassin from the ombra family and like 50 mercenaries.

And again it doesn't explain why it was exactly the one poison that Rina used.

It's not like Cordia will announce who will eat with them by name, she will pick up her phone tell them "1 more" and be done with it.

It would take something like Cordia's office being bugged, so that whoever is behind all of it gets the information in time to set the rest up.

 

[Jimayo]

And again it doesn't explain why it was exactly the one poison that Rina used.

That seems to be a lucky coincidence. Not like Rina and the mc are advertising his attempted murder and if they knew why would they use a poison he's already survived and therefore has a tolerance for.

 

[TimHawk]

That seems to be a lucky coincidence. Not like Rina and the mc are advertising his attempted murder and if they knew why would they use a poison he's already survived and therefore has a tolerance for.

It would be unbelieveably lucky, it's why I suspect it was a test.

Think about it, you are a parent and you know there is a high likelyhood that one day your child gets poisoned. Unless you know with what, there is no point whatsoever to build up any immunisation, because you would only improve the odds of survival by like 0.01%.

Now maybe there is a prefered poison the Deluca's use or is generally used in the Mafia world which would shift the odds more towards the reasonable realm but it would also defeat the whole purpose of using a poison in the first place.

To make any sense of it, at least for me, something else has to be at play here. As I said maybe a Rina/Cordia agreement or the extra person at the table threw the order of in which they were served. The MC sitting next to Gracie got it by accident and it was ment to be the first attempt to force Cordia to watch her youngest child die right in front of her eyes.

Something just doesn't add up otherwise.

 

[c3p0]

Bringing one thing up with how season/episode ended. Was it the MC that was targeted? Couldn't it be Gracie the whole time and they didn't account for the MC take seat on the table and thus the poisend food would end up at his place? And, as lucky as anyone could get in a fictional story, it was the poison he has some tolerance against.

Beach house event could be the same.

 

[Juxx]

Android port plz

 

[Jimayo]

It would be unbelieveably lucky, it's why I suspect it was a test.

Think about it, you are a parent and you know there is a high likelyhood that one day your child gets poisoned. Unless you know with what, there is no point whatsoever to build up any immunisation, because you would only improve the odds of survival by like 0.01%.

Now maybe there is a prefered poison the Deluca's use or is generally used in the Mafia world which would shift the odds more towards the reasonable realm but it would also defeat the whole purpose of using a poison in the first place.

To make any sense of it, at least for me, something else has to be at play here. As I said maybe a Rina/Cordia agreement or the extra person at the table threw the order of in which they were served. The MC sitting next to Gracie got it by accident and it was ment to be the first attempt to force Cordia to watch her youngest child die right in front of her eyes.

Something just doesn't add up otherwise.

I don't think she poisoned him to build up a tolerance. I think she was trying to kill him.

And I think you're forgetting that is 1 of 4 attempts on his life. Not a test, continuous failed assassination attempts.

 

[TimHawk]

I don't think she poisoned him to build up a tolerance. I think she was trying to kill him.

Rina ? To spare the MC what's going to happen to him due to her own actions ?

 

[Jimayo]

Bringing one thing up with how season/episode ended. Was it the MC that was targeted? Couldn't it be Gracie the whole time and they didn't account for the MC take seat on the table and thus the poisend food would end up at his place? And, as lucky as anyone could get in a fictional story, it was the poison he has some tolerance against.

Beach house event could be the same.

That's flat out wrong since the mercs specifically stated they were not to hurt the girls, only the mc. I believe the ending was an attack on the entire deluca family by the rebel faction and had nothing to do with the assassination attempts on the mc.

 

[Jimayo]

Rina ? To spare the MC what's going to happen to him due to her own actions ?

Something like that. Definitely to prevent him from having to fulfill the contract she and/or his father put him under to the deluca family. As in a he'd be better off dead situation.

 

[TimHawk]

Something like that. Definitely to prevent him from having to fulfill the contract she and/or his father put him under to the deluca family. As in a he'd be better off dead situation.

That's a fair point, but one would think she would not fail at killing the MC if that was her goal.

 

[TimHawk]

Bringing one thing up with how season/episode ended. Was it the MC that was targeted? Couldn't it be Gracie the whole time and they didn't account for the MC take seat on the table and thus the poisend food would end up at his place? And, as lucky as anyone could get in a fictional story, it was the poison he has some tolerance against.

Beach house event could be the same.

GMTA

As Jimayo said, the attackers said that they are not there to hurt the girls, but that whole situation is sus as fuck as well.

I just can't believe a situation where Cordia would leave her two daughters and the MC alone for 2 weeks without anyone guarding them. And then of course not one but two serpents "randomly" show up...yea right.

The car is an unreliable way to kill someone at best, the poisoning...well we discussed that one at length, the beach house is strange to say the least. Which leaves the attempted assassination as the only confirmed action against the MC and it's the one that would make the most sense in terms of being used in the Mafia world.

Maybe once we find out what the consequences for the Delucas are, if something were to happen to the MC on their watch, things will start to make more sense, but as is things just don't make much sense with the context we have so far.

 

[Jimayo]

That's a fair point, but one would think she would not fail at killing the MC if that was her goal.

She's still his mother. Putting a knife or a bullet in your kid and watching them bleed out is a hell of a lot harder to do than poisoning.

I just can't believe a situation where Cordia would leave her two daughters and the MC alone for 2 weeks without anyone guarding them. And then of course not one but two serpents "randomly" show up...yea right.

Or maybe she just wanted the guy who is somehow important to her, yet wants nothing to do with the contract or her family, to become attached to her daughters, via enforced time together, and therefore invested in her families survival and success. And those that want him dead took the opportunity.

I may be wrong, but, on the other hand, you may be a victim of apopenia. Your mind wants to find patterns and connections where none exist.

 

[TimHawk]

She's still his mother. Putting a knife or a bullet in your kid and watching them bleed out is a hell of a lot harder to do than poisoning.

She could've just tried again, I'm pretty sure that in 16 years she had plenty of time to figure out a humane method if that was her intention.

Or maybe she just wanted the guy who is somehow important to her, yet wants nothing to do with the contract or her family, to become attached to her daughters, via enforced time together, and therefore invested in her families survival and success. And those that want him dead took the opportunity.

That wouldn't stop her from having 100 people watching them. She controlled the time and location, and with the increased danger that the MC's presence brings to her own daughters, it makes even less sense.

I agree that she wanted the MC and the girls to become close, I think that part is pretty obvious. If I would have to guess, her attempt was probably aimed at bringing a measure of normalcy to her daughters since both of them have a lot of baggage and being with a civilian worked out nicely for Antonio.

 

[Jimayo]

She could've just tried again, I'm pretty sure that in 16 years she had plenty of time to figure out a humane method if that was her intention.

Do you really think pops let him spend alone time with his mom after she tried to kill him. I think you forget who his best friend is. He may not have been living on his own until he was 16 but I seriously doubt he was spending time alone with his mother after she tried to kill him.

That wouldn't stop her from having 100 people watching them. She controlled the time and location, and with the increased danger that the MC's presence brings to her own daughters, it makes even less sense.

I agree that she wanted the MC and the girls to become close, I think that part is pretty obvious. If I would have to guess, her attempt was probably aimed at bringing a measure of normalcy to her daughters since both of them have a lot of baggage and being with a civilian worked out nicely for Antonio.

There's a world of difference between a brake line being cut/a poisoning attempt and a mercenary company being sent to kill someone. I doubt she thought her daughters were in any danger, nor the mc since only a small circle of trusted people knew where they were, making such subtle attempts on his life, theoretically impossible.

I reiterate: I may be wrong, but, on the other hand, you may be a victim of apopenia. Your mind wants to find patterns and connections where none exist.

Apophenia is the root of conspiracy theorism and yours is a massive conspiracy theory.

 

[Sonico]

That still doesn't make any sense, because it would mean the traitor is part of the kitchen staff, which means really easy to track down and on top he or she has to be rich enough to hire an assassin from the ombra family and like 50 mercenaries.

As shown by the incidents with the mercs and the Carnefice lady used as a cat's-paw by the Ombras, though we don't know how big exactly, whoever wants the MC dead is definitely "crime family"-level rich.

They already got a confidence man of the capo to rat out as shown by the beachhouse incident and the car sabotage demonstrates some degree of forewarning about the MC's coming and goings. So subverting a member of the kitchen staff is within the realm of possibility. The DeLuca's security structure is extensive but is far from unassailable, as shown repeatedly by several examples through the story.

And again it doesn't explain why it was exactly the one poison that Rina used.

It's not like Cordia will announce who will eat with them by name, she will pick up her phone tell them "1 more" and be done with it.

AND how many unexpected visits in the same day would they have for dinner?

Almost anyone else invited to the DeLucas table would be someone either notorious in the crime world or close to the family, ergo, produce gossip by their mere presence - so the absence of "noise" on itself made the chances of "the extra" being the infiltrator's target, aka the MC, high. Maybe a gamble, but the same could be said about the sabotaged car brakes, no?

And about the poison - popular tools in the field. Like with guns, some brands/types of substances will be more popular than others due to a combination of availability, potence, perceived effectiveness and so on. MC's mom was very much a part of this world, so her picking of a poison that is actually an "old standby" among assassins?

And resistance aside, he would have died at that dinner if the family did not rush in a (possibly in-house) doctor. That Gracie knows what mithridatism is doesn't mean many people in the underworld do, on the contrary if Antonio serves as indication.

To be honest, the MC's original poisoning survival back in childhood is the insanely improbable thing when one thinks about it, but then everything in comments and flashbacks seem to indicate his mom was a pale shadow of her own self and quite off her rocker by the time she pulled that stunt.

 

[TimHawk]

Do you really think pops let him spend alone time with his mom after she tried to kill him. I think you forget who his best friend is. He may not have been living on his own until he was 16 but I seriously doubt he was spending time alone with his mother after she tried to kill him.

The MC was just a little child when he was poisoned, and I didn't see any mention that pops would even know about it, hell the Delucas had the MC under observation and they didn't know about it. If Rina wanted him dead, he would be.

There's a world of difference between a brake line being cut/a poisoning attempt and a mercenary company being sent to kill someone. I doubt she thought her daughters were in any danger, nor the mc since only a small circle of trusted people knew where they were, making such subtle attempts on his life, theoretically impossible.

I don't think anything will beat a poisoning attempt at her own dinner table in terms of who knew about it and the length someone will go to get a shot at killing the MC, if he was the target. To me it's a matter of basic ressource allocation, you have hundreds of people under your command, your two daughters plus someone under your protection are in a run down building in another family's territory, who wouldn't have their safety covered ? It's the Mafia world, not a 7/11 managment retreat.

 

[TimHawk]

As shown by the incidents with the mercs and the Carnefice lady used as a cat's-paw by the Ombras, though we don't know how big exactly, whoever wants the MC dead is definitely "crime family"-level rich.

They already got a confidence man of the capo to rat out as shown by the beachhouse incident and the car sabotage demonstrates some degree of forewarning about the MC's coming and goings. So subverting a member of the kitchen staff is within the realm of possibility. The DeLuca's security structure is extensive but is far from unassailable, as shown repeatedly by several examples through the story.



AND how many unexpected visits in the same day would they have for dinner?

Almost anyone else invited to the DeLucas table would be someone either notorious in the crime world or close to the family, ergo, produce gossip by their mere presence - so the absence of "noise" on itself made the chances of "the extra" being the infiltrator's target, aka the MC, high. Maybe a gamble, but the same could be said about the sabotaged car brakes, no?

And about the poison - popular tools in the field. Like with guns, some brands/types of substances will be more popular than others due to a combination of availability, potence, perceived effectiveness and so on. MC's mom was very much a part of this world, so her picking of a poison that is actually an "old standby" among assassins?

And resistance aside, he would have died at that dinner if the family did not rush in a (possibly in-house) doctor. That Gracie knows what mithridatism is doesn't mean many people in the underworld do, on the contrary if Antonio serves as indication.

To be honest, the MC's original poisoning survival back in childhood is the insanely improbable thing when one thinks about it, but then everything in comments and flashbacks seem to indicate his mom was a pale shadow of her own self and quite off her rocker by the time she pulled that stunt.

Yea the improbability is exactly my point. If anyone could guess which poison will be used than it would defeat the whole purpose of using a poison in the first place. That's probably the most confusing part, someone is trying to kill the MC, but they are also not really trying, because given that he drives Gracie to her school friends meet-up or goes to met Jay, if one is motivated enough he would've been dead ten times over.

We would have to know the exact circumstances of the agreement that forced the MC to be where he is, right now a whole lot of things just don't make much sense.

I really hope Season 2 will provide more answers than questions, because we sure have enough of those by now.

 

[Jimayo]

The MC was just a little child when he was poisoned, and I didn't see any mention that pops would even know about it, hell the Delucas had the MC under observation and they didn't know about it. If Rina wanted him dead, he would be.

There's a lot of assuming right there. I like how you assume a child going through that horrific experience doesn't go crying to their best friend who would then immediately tell his father.

I don't think anything will beat a poisoning attempt at her own dinner table in terms of who knew about it and the length someone will go to get a shot at killing the MC, if he was the target. To me it's a matter of basic ressource allocation, you have hundreds of people under your command, your two daughters plus someone under your protection are in a run down building in another family's territory, who wouldn't have their safety covered ? It's the Mafia world, not a 7/11 managment retreat.

You assume an army is the only way to protect people(you assume a lot). A few trusted people, an out of the way location, that can be safer than surrounding someone with a small company(20-30, it's the mafia, not the u.s. military, 100 soldatos would stretch any families resources thin) can be much safer assuming you can trust those few in know, which proved to be false.

 

[TimHawk]

There's a lot of assuming right there. I like how you assume a child going through that horrific experience doesn't go crying to their best friend who would then immediately tell his father.

Everything you or me propose are assumptions, it's what we do to fill in the blanks between stuff we know happened and stuff we don't know. Did he tell Jay, given that the one character trait that the MC is coined with over and over is being closed of ? I don't know, right after he was poisoned it seemed to me that he himself had forgotten about it and what had happened came back to him at that exact moment.

You assume an army is the only way to protect people(you assume a lot). A few trusted people, an out of the way location, that can be safer than surrounding someone with a small company(20-30, it's the mafia, not the u.s. military, 100 soldatos would stretch any families resources thin) can be much safer assuming you can trust those few in know, which proved to be false.

No I said that one would have their safety covered, as in enough people who would spot 30 armed mercenaries walking towards the building.

As for the numbers, I think 100 is on the very low side, from a basic pyramid management perspective. There seem to be a lot of Capo level members and all of them having their own crews would stretch 100 way too thin in my opinion and then you also have the associates at the bottom. I really don't know but it would be an interessting question for Hope.