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vks017

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Gotta disagree: a dev working on parts of the game you are not interested does not make it a dead game.
Any game that gets development paused to rework elements for it is a huge red flag for me. Mostly they just stall to near halt and never restart back into normal development speed.
I cant remember any games on this site which got updates in a timely manner post rework.
 

Xirco

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Personally at this point, I'd just like the knowledge of whether Gracie is actually dead or not, If the game doesn't continue, at least knowing if she's survived would make my day.
 
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ahtabom

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Personally at this point, I'd just like the knowledge of whether Gracie is actually dead or not, If the game doesn't continue, at least knowing if she's survived would make my day.
considering that before the game asked about being ok with threesome and/or lesbian scenes with Grace, I imagine it wouldn't make sense to kill her...

the "death of the princess", I assume it's about the fact that the family stops seeing her as the innocent little princess and accepts her in the mafia, criminal part, planning revenge
 

whatone

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considering that before the game asked about being ok with threesome and/or lesbian scenes with Grace, I imagine it wouldn't make sense to kill her...

the "death of the princess", I assume it's about the fact that the family stops seeing her as the innocent little princess and accepts her in the mafia, criminal part, planning revenge
Yes, I also think that the title was metaphorical.
I share your opinion on killing a main LI, too. I highly doubt that we spent all that time helping her, just for her to die.
 
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Maccabbee

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There is no way that she's dead. It literally makes zero sense. My big theories diverge on whether this will be what keeps her from going evil, or divides the family when this is also determined to be an inside job.
 
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whatone

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Except for 2024. Only one update for one of his games last January.
Mate, that bell-end has been banging exactly the same drum for somewhere close to 4 years.
3 years ago he said he had deleted the game, yet he's still here spouting the same shit.
He's not worth responding to.
 
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whatone

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There is no way that she's dead. It literally makes zero sense. My big theories diverge on whether this will be what keeps her from going evil, or divides the family when this is also determined to be an inside job.
I'm quite convinced that someone on the inside had to have helped.
There is no way that an armed group of assailants made it into Lucania, never mind to the DeLuca mansion, without being helped by someone in the Family.
Thanks for the heads up. On the list he goes.
Pleasure mate. Best place for falsely entitled whingers. (y)
 
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Maccabbee

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I'm pretty sure Wilfred initiated it as a catalyst to change her situation in the family, whether getting Cordelia to accept Gracie's role more in the family, or bring MC more into a loyal role in the family. Purely theory, though, no real evidence. It does seem something Wilfred is entirely capable of doing.
 

Xirco

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Id presume it's to bring out the MCs potential, besides points he was quite lax regarding being a Soldato even if forced, he avoided killing and went out of his way to help possible enemies, now he's just seen his friend/close partner get shot and is possibly dead due to an assassination, that will harden the MC and make him want revenge which could turn him into an hardened Soldier. I think his days of not wanting to kill people would be over at any rate.
 
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Maccabbee

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Id presume it's to bring out the MCs potential, besides points he was quite lax regarding being a Soldato even if forced, he avoided killing and went out of his way to help possible enemies, now he's just seen his friend/close partner get shot and is possibly dead due to an assassination, that will harden the MC and make him want revenge which could turn him into an hardened Soldier. I think his days of not wanting to kill people would be over at any rate.
I like that take. Could very well be, if Wilfred was the instigator. Might well be that the shooter was Snake, sure not to cause a fatal injury if that is the case.
 

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Id presume it's to bring out the MCs potential, besides points he was quite lax regarding being a Soldato even if forced, he avoided killing and went out of his way to help possible enemies, now he's just seen his friend/close partner get shot and is possibly dead due to an assassination, that will harden the MC and make him want revenge which could turn him into an hardened Soldier. I think his days of not wanting to kill people would be over at any rate.
that wouldn't make sense cause the mcs whole schtick was not being particularly good at anything related to that. his whole deal is being the "mastermind" and the other guys would question why he can thrive in the mafia/crime setting even though he shouldn't. if he decided to resolve the cliifhanger in a way where it was a scripted fake shooting to "test" the mc, that would be terrible for the progression of the story.
 

Maccabbee

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You misunderstand the MC and his capabilities. He only pretends to be not particularly good. He is an excellent shot (shooting the valves in the duel), a great fighter, and more. He just never shows it overtly. His quirk of making the world underestimate him, which is not so great for mob life, is always on. It's one of the things Wilfred is trying to break him out of. The shooting, if it's an internal action to cause change in the organization, and not designed to kill Gracie, can very well be to make the MC both less passive in the organization, bond more with the family, and drop the charade of incompetence.
 

whatone

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You misunderstand the MC and his capabilities. He only pretends to be not particularly good.
I think he understands that mate. It might be why he referred to it as being the "MC's schtick".
A schtick is a performance or gimmick, as well as being someone's special talent.
As you know, MC's special talent is making his opponents underestimate him. Putting on a performance & making himself look less competent than he is, in order to lull others into a false sense of security.
That's his "schtick".

I like your idea for the part about Wilfred using Gracie being shot to bring MC out of his shell. That is plausible & works pretty well, to a degree.
But is Wilfred really willing to go that far, with Cordia? :eek:
If he was to pull something like that, without her knowledge, he could well face the full fury of the Blizzard Queen & bring Luna down on him as well... fuck he could get the whole triumvirate out for his blood if Gracie doesn't take kindly to being intentionally shot on his command!
 

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Any game that gets development paused to rework elements for it is a huge red flag for me. Mostly they just stall to near halt and never restart back into normal development speed.
I cant remember any games on this site which got updates in a timely manner post rework.
Fair enough, we all have our clues on when to stop expecting something or hoping for something else, and while not perfect, they may often be an indicator. And even though it was clear here that the contracts (old version) were only a stand in for something that was already planned, I can see your point.

However, expecting something to be going downhill soon is not the same as said something being downhill already, as was stated in the post I replied to.
 
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Personally at this point, I'd just like the knowledge of whether Gracie is actually dead or not, If the game doesn't continue, at least knowing if she's survived would make my day.
Literally the only reason I can't replay this game right now while I doubt she is dead I need to see the next few scenes to be Satisfied.
 

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considering that before the game asked about being ok with threesome and/or lesbian scenes with Grace, I imagine it wouldn't make sense to kill her...

the "death of the princess", I assume it's about the fact that the family stops seeing her as the innocent little princess and accepts her in the mafia, criminal part, planning revenge
Also Her elaborating a cold and calculated "payback for messing with the family" plan with a scene of the MC saying "you should have gone for the head" while looking professional... just to get smacked in the arm by Grace or Luna for being cringe.
 

Maccabbee

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I think he understands that mate. It might be why he referred to it as being the "MC's schtick".
A schtick is a performance or gimmick, as well as being someone's special talent.
As you know, MC's special talent is making his opponents underestimate him. Putting on a performance & making himself look less competent than he is, in order to lull others into a false sense of security.
That's his "schtick".

I like your idea for the part about Wilfred using Gracie being shot to bring MC out of his shell. That is plausible & works pretty well, to a degree.
But is Wilfred really willing to go that far, with Cordia? :eek:
If he was to pull something like that, without her knowledge, he could well face the full fury of the Blizzard Queen & bring Luna down on him as well... fuck he could get the whole triumvirate out for his blood if Gracie doesn't take kindly to being intentionally shot on his command!
He's already done this repeatedly, over and over, training Gracie against Cordelia's orders. Anthony (or whatever the fuckface son's name is) tried to kill MC at the fucking DINNER TABLE, and is possibly sleeping around with other guys, and Cordelia's done nothing. She's a hard woman with a soft heart. You all realize that the son is really not an actual son, but a hostaged son of a rival family that she treats as a son, since she raised him? He's the presumptive heir, too. That's seems to be a lot like how she's seeing the MC, now.
 

whatone

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He's already done this repeatedly, over and over, training Gracie against Cordelia's orders.
It's a massive leap to equate training her against Cordia's wishes, with having her shot in Cordia's dining room.
They are completely different things.
Anthony (or whatever the fuckface son's name is) tried to kill MC at the fucking DINNER TABLE, and is possibly sleeping around with other guys, and Cordelia's done nothing. She's a hard woman with a soft heart. You all realize that the son is really not an actual son, but a hostaged son of a rival family that she treats as a son, since she raised him? He's the presumptive heir, too. That's seems to be a lot like how she's seeing the MC, now.
You've shown that Cordia has a soft heart for her children.
Wilfred is not one of her children.
She does not have a soft heart for the guy who hurt her daughter, by having her shot inside her own house.

She's a mafia donna, attacking her house alone would be enough for concrete boots & lead overcoat, never mind actually shooting her daughter! Even worse if you're the guy who arranged it all.
I can't see a reason why Wilfred would take that risk, just to make MC come out of his shell.
It's a far more desperate move, than his position requires.
 
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Maccabbee

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It's a massive leap to equate training her against Cordia's wishes, with having her shot in Cordia's dining room.
They are completely different things.
Yes, they are, but Wilfred is a sociopath, and doesn't necessarily see that much of a difference. Also, in the Family, disobeying a direct order, just once, is grounds for terminations (and I don't mean getting fired as much as getting fired at). So really, not much different at all.

You've shown that Cordia has a soft heart for her children. Wilfred is not one of her children.
She does not have a soft heart for the guy who hurt her daughter, by having her shot inside her own house.
Wilfred is not one of her children, but he is a father figure to her. He was her mentor and top mastermind in her youth, before her gang was even a family. He is also the most valuable member of her organization, and his loyalty is unquestionable, even if his obedience isn't. It's a tough call. I think she also would know that if Wilfred did do this, she would be dead if it was intended to be so. He may have not done this, but it's in the back of my mind that he did.

She's a mafia donna, attacking her house alone would be enough for concrete boots & lead overcoat, never mind actually shooting her daughter! Even worse if you're the guy who arranged it all.
I can't see a reason why Wilfred would take that risk, just to make MC come out of his shell.
It's a far more desperate move, than his position requires.
Wilfred is very much a "big picture" guy, and his whole thing is moving chess pieces to their optimum positions. Several other people we've met seem to also play that kind of game. Hopefully we will see how this all shakes out, and what it all means.
 
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