Cartageno

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Any game that gets development paused to rework elements for it is a huge red flag for me. Mostly they just stall to near halt and never restart back into normal development speed.
I cant remember any games on this site which got updates in a timely manner post rework.
Fair enough, we all have our clues on when to stop expecting something or hoping for something else, and while not perfect, they may often be an indicator. And even though it was clear here that the contracts (old version) were only a stand in for something that was already planned, I can see your point.

However, expecting something to be going downhill soon is not the same as said something being downhill already, as was stated in the post I replied to.
 
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Dessolos

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Personally at this point, I'd just like the knowledge of whether Gracie is actually dead or not, If the game doesn't continue, at least knowing if she's survived would make my day.
Literally the only reason I can't replay this game right now while I doubt she is dead I need to see the next few scenes to be Satisfied.
 

BTungsteno

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considering that before the game asked about being ok with threesome and/or lesbian scenes with Grace, I imagine it wouldn't make sense to kill her...

the "death of the princess", I assume it's about the fact that the family stops seeing her as the innocent little princess and accepts her in the mafia, criminal part, planning revenge
Also Her elaborating a cold and calculated "payback for messing with the family" plan with a scene of the MC saying "you should have gone for the head" while looking professional... just to get smacked in the arm by Grace or Luna for being cringe.
 

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I think he understands that mate. It might be why he referred to it as being the "MC's schtick".
A schtick is a performance or gimmick, as well as being someone's special talent.
As you know, MC's special talent is making his opponents underestimate him. Putting on a performance & making himself look less competent than he is, in order to lull others into a false sense of security.
That's his "schtick".

I like your idea for the part about Wilfred using Gracie being shot to bring MC out of his shell. That is plausible & works pretty well, to a degree.
But is Wilfred really willing to go that far, with Cordia? :eek:
If he was to pull something like that, without her knowledge, he could well face the full fury of the Blizzard Queen & bring Luna down on him as well... fuck he could get the whole triumvirate out for his blood if Gracie doesn't take kindly to being intentionally shot on his command!
He's already done this repeatedly, over and over, training Gracie against Cordelia's orders. Anthony (or whatever the fuckface son's name is) tried to kill MC at the fucking DINNER TABLE, and is possibly sleeping around with other guys, and Cordelia's done nothing. She's a hard woman with a soft heart. You all realize that the son is really not an actual son, but a hostaged son of a rival family that she treats as a son, since she raised him? He's the presumptive heir, too. That's seems to be a lot like how she's seeing the MC, now.
 

Maccabbee

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It's a massive leap to equate training her against Cordia's wishes, with having her shot in Cordia's dining room.
They are completely different things.
Yes, they are, but Wilfred is a sociopath, and doesn't necessarily see that much of a difference. Also, in the Family, disobeying a direct order, just once, is grounds for terminations (and I don't mean getting fired as much as getting fired at). So really, not much different at all.

You've shown that Cordia has a soft heart for her children. Wilfred is not one of her children.
She does not have a soft heart for the guy who hurt her daughter, by having her shot inside her own house.
Wilfred is not one of her children, but he is a father figure to her. He was her mentor and top mastermind in her youth, before her gang was even a family. He is also the most valuable member of her organization, and his loyalty is unquestionable, even if his obedience isn't. It's a tough call. I think she also would know that if Wilfred did do this, she would be dead if it was intended to be so. He may have not done this, but it's in the back of my mind that he did.

She's a mafia donna, attacking her house alone would be enough for concrete boots & lead overcoat, never mind actually shooting her daughter! Even worse if you're the guy who arranged it all.
I can't see a reason why Wilfred would take that risk, just to make MC come out of his shell.
It's a far more desperate move, than his position requires.
Wilfred is very much a "big picture" guy, and his whole thing is moving chess pieces to their optimum positions. Several other people we've met seem to also play that kind of game. Hopefully we will see how this all shakes out, and what it all means.
 

c3p0

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Yes, they are, but Wilfred is a sociopath, and doesn't necessarily see that much of a difference. Also, in the Family, disobeying a direct order, just once, is grounds for terminations (and I don't mean getting fired as much as getting fired at). So really, not much different at all.
Yet, it would be the last one for him. Maybe JJJ can back me up, but hasn't Cordia warned Wilfred that he disregared her command twice already and if he do it again, then she would need to eliminate him according to his own teachings?

Also Wilfred is cold, calculating guy, but one that put all his planning into the well being of the Deluca family whatever that mean. The core members of this family are Cordia, Luna, Gracie, Isabel and Antonio and now the MC too. Regardless of all the planning he could do, their is always a risk that if someone would be shooting at Gracie that she will die. So, would Wilfred be willing to risk that and also, if it would come out the ire of Luna, Cordia - the blizard queen - and Antonio? Knowing that they will most likely end his life, regardless of the reasosn and argument he have - and most likely in a Caspar art of way?

I highly doubt that Wilfred has orchestrated the shooting. More likely that he had orchestrated the situation in the safe house with MC, Luna and Gracie and then it was going out of hand and he himself, his squad and two Serpet trying to take back control over the situation.
I can't think that Wilfred wouldn't overwatch the situation, regardless of his involvement. Two heir of the Deluca family are out of the house with the "wildcard" of the MC and in less controlled environment than when they would be at home.
 

Crusader of Romance

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I'm a bit confused about the "Abandoned" tag. As I understood it, the development was paused, not abandoned? Or did I missunderstand? I haven't played it yet but it's high on my list.
 

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I'm a bit confused about the "Abandoned" tag. As I understood it, the development was paused, not abandoned? Or did I missunderstand? I haven't played it yet but it's high on my list.
Hopes went radio silent for 3 months, so game got the tag.
The tag has no RL relevance towards whether or not a dev is still working on the game. It is applied on this site when a game\dev breaches this site's rules.
Check the rules for full info, specifically Section 3.
 

whatone

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He made 1 post and took off again? Not even 1 preview after this long? This is pathetic
Presumably you're talking about the Patreon post from 15th Nov 2024, as Hopes hasn't posted on this forum since May last year.
Wonder why he doesn't frequent this place anymore? :unsure:

If you're hoping for more content, perhaps posting something encouraging towards him would help a little more than calling it pathetic?
 
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Presumably you're talking about the Patreon post from 15th Nov 2024, as Hopes hasn't posted on this forum since May last year.
Wonder why he doesn't frequent this place anymore? :unsure:

If you're hoping for more content, perhaps posting something encouraging towards him would help a little more than calling it pathetic?
If he would show a little more affection towards the people who support him, maybe he would also receive a little more affection, right?
I don't think it costs much to write a small note from time to time and even more so to the people who support you with their money (including me by the way) you talk as if he were doing some charity work and we owe him devotion.
 
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You talk as if you're a customer & he owes you a product.
When you're a Patron he owes you fuck all.
If you choose to support him, it does not guarantee anything. You can simply choose to no longer support him, if you don't like the rate at which he communicates or delivers.
Other people are not responsible for your choices, you are.

But coming here & slagging him off, when the game has already had extensive delays, is hardly likely to inspire him to provide more.
No, I speak as someone who supports a person on Patreon and only asks for a little education to know something from time to time. I don't require him to update the game every "x" time.
It's not the same.
 
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Read your own words.
Your money is to "support" an artist. Not to "purchase" anything.
You choose to continue your support, or you choose not to.
The only person responsible for your choices, is you.

Complaining about the outcome of your choice is worthless, when you fucking chose it.
Read yours, you write as if I were demanding something from him as if I thought I was his boss, I only ask for some communication, which seems like the minimum to me when people are supporting you with their money and you talk as if I were demanding updates every month.
 
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I did not reply to you, I replied to the guy crying about no update, then calling the dev pathetic.
You replied to my post, carrying on as if you were entitled to something because you chose to support the dev.
You are not entitled to anything.

Anyway, it's useless to talk to you, have a good night. ;)

And complaining about it on a Pirate site is more than a bit hypocritical and idiotic. DM Hopes on Patreon if you are a supporter. If you're not a supporter, then you literally have no grounds for complaint.

I have written to him twice and he hasn't answered me either, but some of you here are very smart and you know everything.

And I write about the topic wherever I feel like since the dev doesn't even bother to answer on Patreon.
 

Krytax123

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If you don't like the lack of communication, or slow time for the update, stop supporting him.
It's your choice. If you choose to continue supporting a game where you are not happy with the dev's delivery, or communication, it's your own fault.
It's not fucking rocket science.

Perhaps you're just a masochist?
Stop being such a wannabe thread police, yeez youre annoying.

Its very fine to be disappointed with the development, you can be disappointed and still want a project to succeed (and therefore hang around). The story/characters are just really great but everything else about the development of this avn sucks ass at the moment.

Even more as a former supporter

And its not like the patreon's are getting any more communication lol, its as barebones and unsatisfiying as it gets and kinda looks like he is trying to get rid of as much supporters as fast as possible.

I just struggle to comprehend how anyone could invest so little and feel not grateful at all for all the money he has received and still does.

I understand hiccups in the development proccess and that the devs have a life which sometimes gets complicated which can result in long update times, what i dont understand is the entire lack of communication about all that. His patreon post from 15th nov is a bad joke.

And its just strange as hopes seemed to be a cool guy who didnt had any troubles with communication.
 

TrixRabbit

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I'm hanging in because it'd be a f'in tragedy if this is how Luna DeLuca's story ends. Every time I see the threat light up I think maybe there's news, but it's always people talking about how there isn't any news ... which is sad.
 
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Stop being such a wannabe thread police, yeez youre annoying.

Its very fine to be disappointed with the development, you can be disappointed and still want a project to succeed (and therefore hang around). The story/characters are just really great but everything else about the development of this avn sucks ass at the moment.

Even more as a former supporter

And its not like the patreon's are getting any more communication lol, its as barebones and unsatisfiying as it gets and kinda looks like he is trying to get rid of as much supporters as fast as possible.

I just struggle to comprehend how anyone could invest so little and feel not grateful at all for all the money he has received and still does.

I understand hiccups in the development proccess and that the devs have a life which sometimes gets complicated which can result in long update times, what i dont understand is the entire lack of communication about all that. His patreon post from 15th nov is a bad joke.

And its just strange as hopes seemed to be a cool guy who didnt had any troubles with communication.
I've been trying to get him to understand that but the only thing I've gotten is for him to call me a masochist, don't waste your time with that haha.
 

Krytax123

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The only person trying to dictate what others discuss, is you. Right there, in your quoted text.
I have not told anyone to "stop" posting what they want to. Others can post what they want, same as I can reply to them how I wish to.
You have no say in it, so who's trying to be thread police? You utter hypocrite.
"Discuss" is a funny way to call it. And you told the other poster in different words to stop crying and shut up nonstop, as it seems like you got very defensive about the lack of development.

Telling people to stop being an idiot is not really restricting their freedom of speech, is more like a hint but i concluded already that all of this is lost with you.

Do whatever you want and be as annoying as you want, have fun.
 
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