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Read the Guide in the OP. This has been around since before newest update and therefore, is already covered in the Guide.
Not to mention, just clicking the "?" and "J" Menus in game should give you an idea of what to do next without having to read the Guide.
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I need a Russian translation. You do? (But, then, this is not urgent ...)
This version is quite satisfactory, but still, if there is support, it will be much better =)
This version is quite satisfactory, but still, if there is support, it will be much better =)
- Dec 29, 2019
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As far as I know in version 0.06.1 This is fixed. And everything works without problems, at least I went through the whole history of the DeLucа family, and really look forward to continuing ...
- Dec 29, 2019
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And so, I repeat, a very good game, it will soon be possible to think about releasing on Steam.
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Hmm ... but, looking a little ahead, I’ll say there are some difficulties there, which is probably why this game is not there?)
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Great update !! Still Grace is to smart for her own good.. and she gonna find out what you are..
I think the mc is mafia royalty what you guys think ?
I think the mc is mafia royalty what you guys think ?
I protest most strongly at the notion that a bj from Isabel is of secondary importance.
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I'm confused by people who want to play any sort of visual novel, (which by definition requires reading), when they can't even manage to read the first post on a thread that tell them what the game is about.
All I can say to those people is...
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The word "cool" is a synonym for "good". Is that it's only meaning? No. In fact, it's other meaning has nothing at all to do with being good. It simply refers to temperature.
But yes, one of the other meanings of the word "cool" is absolutely a synonym for "good".
So no, it is not debatable whether one of the meanings of "adult" is as a synonym for "porn". It is, and it has been for over a decade. Is that "adult"'s only meaning. As I said before, of course not... but yes, it is in fact ONE OF its meanings.
When you are saying things like "adult" is not a synonym for "porn" and people are agreeing... when others keep saying things that imply they're confused by the reactions of others for not liking this game because they expected porn... or like if someone expected this to be a porn game, that's their fault... then yes, these type of reactions only make sense if we're trying to act as though one of the term's meanings hasn't been synonymous with porn.
That's your game. That's a very small portion of other things, but the overwhelming majority of "adult film" and things listed as "adult game", even on this site, refers to things of a pornographic nature. Google "adult film" and overwhelmingly, the results will be pornographic.
And that's fine if you've chosen to focus on a different aspect of "adult theme" and that's great as clearly many people like that kind of thing, but it is wrong, absolutely wrong, to act as though there's no association between the two terms and like people are foolish for linking them; they are not.
The fact a person has to do all that, or any of that, to know what your game is clearly about actually proves the point because 99% of the time, they don't. They'd simply be able to download a game from this site without reading anything and chances are, it will come off as if pornographic content was intended to be in the game.
But for YOUR game they have to do all this looking into. So no Hopes, it is not their fault that they do something the way most people do things, the way they've been doing things and they've been right most of the time, and this time they were wrong.
You're the one doing something different, not them. Your creation is what is out of the ordinary here, not them. And nothing is wrong with that, but it is wrong, to expect them to do something different (or ore accurately, think them wrong for not doing anything different from what they've done before) just because you did.
And they'll likely always have a dislike for you so you can both dislike each other, both being stubborn and hypocritical, lol.
THEM: "How dare he make a game with no porn in it!"
YOU: "How dare they play my game expecting it to be pornographic in nature!"
And neither of you are in the right to dislike the other, lol. Neither of you are technically wrong in what you did, but the both of your mentalities are incorrect. The mentality that only porn games belong here is incorrect... the mentality that people are wrong to expect a porn game here, is also incorrect.
You get upset when they judge you, but you sound very judgmental of them.
Yeah, because they expected one thing and got another. And yes, even though they were wrong about what to expect, it makes sense what they thought they would find here. I'm not saying their reaction is the correct one, I'm saying it is understandable. I'm saying that if you weren't being overly defensive and others being overly defensive for you, we would know/have that basic understanding.
Hopes, I like you, I appreciate what you've done here even if it turns out it isn't my style of game in the end because clearly plenty of people like it and it takes a great deal of talent to do what you've done here... but this was a very hypocritical statement.
Now, part of me thinks that while your statement appears hypocritical, it actually occurred because you're overly defensive and didn't try to understand the analogy, but allow me to explain it further here so that we can try to avoid misundertandings.
I said Phone Store and Apple Service Center
Yes, the store sells phones... no, it doesn't sell APPLE phones but Apple is not the only kind of phone out that exists. There are a lot of other kinds of phones. This store just doesn't sell Apple phones. It services them sure, but it doesn't sell them nor does the sign claim they sell APPLE phones.
You know... like how technically you aren't wrong for saying that this is an adult game, because it is... but the label would understandably make people assume that there's pornographic content in your game? You know, like how there's not just one meaning to "adult themed" technically... there's not just one kind of phone?
I mean, the label technically even fooled you... in a completely different direction, but it fooled/confused you nonetheless.
Your analogy however, is in a number of ways...
No, it would be like if there was a specific type of ice cream shop. We'll make this up and call it a "nice and thick shop". Now for well over a decade, these shops have traditionally sold ice cream that was so thick, you couldn't use a plastic spoon on them, if a spoon at all. You go looking for one of these kinds of shops and without reading reviews or anything like that, you have a 98% chance of getting ice cream so thick that you're not going to be able to use a spoon to eat it. It's lick it or metal spoon it.
Now there's another shop, it's listed in all the directories as a nice and thick shop... but the ice cream is not as thick as what is traditionally found at these types of shops. It's thicker than regular ice cream, but not by much. Technically, they're not wrong for advertising themselves as a nice and thick shop as thick style ice creams are technically any ice cream that is thicker than regular ice cream... but the thickness of this ice cream is not in line with what most people have come to expect when entering these shops.
Alright, we could do flavor. It would be like how most of the time, when shops say "chocolate" ice cream, they sell pure chocolate ice cream... but another shop's chocolate ice cream has other stuff in it. Technically speaking, chocolate ice cream that contains sprinkles, would still be chocolate ice cream... but there would be people quite upset when they found those sprinkles... or technically a person can call ice cream that has chocolate sprinkled in it, chocolate ice cream.
They aren't entitled in an accurate analogy. And furthermore, most of the people I've seen comment regarding this aspect of your game clearly state they aren't trying to get you to change what you're selling; they're just explaining why they felt misled. This inaccurate analogy would have been slightly more accurate if this read as
"Now someone, because of what they're used to getting from most other ice cream shops in this mall/area/whatever, complain because it only sells chocolate ice cream.
100% incorrect parallel here because your title for this game is like your store's sign and your game doesn't have (not a porn game) in its title. Title wise, your game looks no different from other games that just as easily could have been more pornographic in nature.
In fact, even once someone walks into your shop (looks at the first post made by you) the shop still isn't saying that it doesn't carry vanilla ice cream. Oh no, to figure that out a person would have to do what the vast majority of people don't do and that's go look at reviews for your shop. They'd have to sift through over 400 pages of comments... rather than do what they would normally do and just order based on the sign and maybe what they see at the front door / looking at the menu.
Yeah... like how you, and others, stomp their feet and demand they instantly accept your view of something, that while not wrong, is not the norm... and go as far as attacking the people that don't like this game because they don't agree with its content or lack their of.
Again, it's wrong to be attacking or judging anyone here because no one is technically wrong for their view in this situation but they are wrong in their view of the people holding opposing views. They shouldn't be attacking you and you really shouldn't be attacking them.
No you haven't and even as mentioned above, according to you, you expect comments and reviews to do what you could have done. Your first post doesn't say anything about this not being a porn game.
Your patreon, you have to go looking for the information and once you do, this is all you'll find:
Q. Where's the sex?!
A. This game is a bit different from the rest as it is not solely an adult game. The story is as much part of the game as the adult part. Therefore do not expect to have the girls go crazy about you right away. With that said, there will be plenty of bed action down the line.
Not even here do you say anything like, "this is not a porn game", "I don't intend for this to be a porn game", and or "this is not a porn game at this time".
Oh no, not anything like that and not anywhere easily found... but you want to know what is really telling about this passage from your patreon page?: The fact that YOU use the word "adult" to mean porn/sex. You didn't answer with "it is important to understand that adult doesn't always mean sex and or porn", or anything like that.
It's not on them to make sure people understand what this game is and what it isn't before they download it, it's not their game. It's yours and so it is on you. One misunderstanding is one thing. You can write that off, deal with it on an individual bases, but even you expected people to not understand and you didn't think to maybe put that information at the first post and or in the title?
Are you wrong for not doing those things? Not really, but at the same time, you clearly didn't do all you could have done. In fact, it seems you did everything outside of what would have been the most basic and effective ways to address this matter which would have been to make it clear in the title and the first post.
They aren't baseless expectations. You can disagree with the expectations, but they are far from baseless.
You don't have to agree, it is a fact , that the term "adult" especially when paired with other words such as "game", "film", and "actress" is often (more often than not in fact), synonymous with porn.
I challenge you to find anywhere, where I've said this was a pure porn site. But to answer your question anyway, they would do it because they know most people would be expecting sex in these games... because it's labeled as an adult game site and most of the time that means porn game... so you need tags to warn people of that being the case.
Not one thing I've said even remotely implied otherwise to be the case so saying this in response to anything I've said makes no logical sense at all.
Wrong. Doing the first thing is obviously unnecessary in a place like this one. Generally speaking, people already associate "adult" and "porn" and have been for over a decade and the vast majority of games here, search results, etc are in fact games of a pornographic nature (and or they pass themselves off as such).
You do things different when you are different. As many comments here have indicated, this is a different type of game from what is normally found here. Even people that defend you, whether they realize it or not, say things that make it clear this game is not the norm here. So a game that is not a porn game here, if they really care about reducing confusion, absolutely would be upfront about the fact that they did not make a porn game.
You however, don't seem to care that you're confusing people. From your point of view, those who feel misled are beneath you and your fans. This isn't true. They aren't entitled brats and you aren't an entitled brat either.
It doesn't speak to how much is in the game, it doesn't exclusively make it clear there isn't much of those things in the game, the tags you have could easily be the same tags of another game featuring pornographic content. A person shouldn't have to go through all that to figure it out.
You could just tell them on your first post. You know, the place other than the title that has the absolute most chance of being looked at by people before they download your game... and even after when they start to wonder if there's sex happening. In fact, I'm willing to bet that 90%+ people that have commented asking if there's sex in this game, checked the first post for that answer.
See, this seems to me like you're more interested in taking some kind of stand rather than truly dealing with misunderstanding in a productive way. Of course it makes sense to put "This isn't a porn game" on the first post. It makes a whole lot more sense than expecting people to behave in a way that no other business expects them to. You're mad because of their "baseless" expectations... because of your baseless expectations of people. Do businesses just try to get on Google or Youtube? No, they try to make it on the first page because statistically speaking almost no one goes past that point. The same principles apply here and if you don't want to take reasonable precautions as a result, that's fine. That's your right, but then don't be mad at people for... well... being people, lol.
I'm not trying to attack you either nor do I not respect you... but, well, we all have or blindspots. If we could see them, they wouldn't be blindspots. One of yours, is clearly this, and while you are not wrong for making this game, calling it an adult game, and featuring it on this site... you are wrong to detest people for expecting it to be pornographic in nature. That expectation isn't baseless whether we agree with the expectation or not.
Just like you acting like they are wrong for having the expectations they have. That's the hypocrisy of it all.
I don't think you are, but I had to laugh because "doing whatever" one wants to do is kind of the definition of being entitled, lol.
But anyway, regardless, as others have stated, even when they don't like the absence of sex in your game, you should make the game the way you want. It's your game... but yes, there is a valid argument for feeling misled.
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And how exactly is there no merit to thinking "adult" is often synonymous with "porn"? Did you even bother to fully read my post? Please, tell me which aspects of what I said held no merit. I'm truly asking. To be clear, I'm not asking what you disagree with, I'm asking, what in my post, has no merit?
You see, because to me, there are always people that conflate disagreeing with something as being the same as that thing having no merit and or being wrong. Browbeat force their agenda? So what, people can disagree but only on the grounds that people like you find acceptable or else their trying to push their agenda rather than express an opinion?
I'm truly asking. Please elaborate on these things you're saying if you don't mind.
Except, it doesn't say in the first post that this is not a pornographic game. It doesn't talk about the definition of "adult" also including other themes and how this game will focus primarily on that aspect. It doesn't even do as much as the patreon page which isn't all that clear either to be honest, but it would have been more than what is on the first page and clearer.
Sometimes, some people post in a way that makes me believe they don't even know what's going on, they just want a pat on the back /head. This is one such post. This isn't to say that you as a person are bad or stupid or anything like that, but maybe our desire to be fans can be a bit excessive and overly protective. It creates a cognitive bias of sorts. And despite popular opinion, it isn't always best to stick to our guns.
I'm not saying Hopes shouldn't stick to their guns on how to make their game (they 100% should make the game they like and love even if no one else likes it (which is far from the case), but it doesn't mean there aren't other areas where maybe they don't have to stick to said guns. At the very least, why not at least consider view points other than those we like?
I still don't get this argument. I thought you can always check tags to see, what content is included, right? Or do only I have that privilege?
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There are already 130 completed games, that are tagged "no sexual content" on this site.
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There are already 130 completed games, that are tagged "no sexual content" on this site.
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Porn is not an equal term than adult and vice versa. And adult films and movies are not per se porn movie/games. They can and on different platfrom the ration is different. As example game for video game console, they have ratings that goes up to "adult", but you most never see a pornographic content in it and if, they usually comes a patch to keep their universe happy...
Two things come to my mind: "standard business conditions" and Lemmings. I don't think that many of us read the standard business conditions on a shopping website, but they there and you can't argument about them. Same goes for the normal laws.
Are we? Perhaps, but I think, you think we are. I usually find it quiet interesting how many user know all this. I for myself often think I know something and believe that this is so, but then again, I'm also quiet sure I'm not normal
The game titles would be very long otherwise and not only this game. We have a tag system so we use it. Often it helps people to finde what they searching, but also often some of them doesn't read them and ask (has it NTR, has it no NTR, ....). My though if people would read more, think more and often look more, most time look on the same page of the thread before their beginn typing their post, then we would have much smaller threads here.
I think this would include you also. Otherwise I don't believe you would write your own post in response to ours.
As I know, they game will have porn in it only in a later version. We are at the six iteration of the game, the game is in active development.
If HopesGaming finished the game without any porn in it, I will invite you to a drink at my cost - drinks, not the voyage to obtain it.
No its on him and for me he has done it. The reviews are not even his department as that are opinions form other users.
Also why should it be in the title? A title is a title, nothing more, nothing less. Although the title usually refer to it's content often this link is only clear after we have involed us with the content.
Simple: proof it. I'm very logical person and I can also admit if I was wrong. But as a logical person I want a hard scientific proof first.
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This ongoing argument is still leaving me scratching my head. I thought the tags on the OP post was pretty self-explanatory on what the game's content is with each new update (e.g. "oral sex" included with recent Isabel update etc), or is that just me?
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Mr. Darke, before this argument get anymore off-topic, I just want to point out that so far, you've been leaning hard on two different argument fallacies: The Bandwagon Fallacy, and the Equivocation Fallacy.
Your entire argument has been, "The people who didn't bother even reading the OP or any of the tags, reviews, and getting butt-hurt after downloading something they could have avoided in the first place had they done any of the suggested things are not in the wrong simply because many do things the way they do." And "when people hear 'adult games/movies', they often think 'porn', so the 2 words are synonym."
In both cases, you're basically just saying, "because a lot of people are doing it, it must be the right thing to do". Don't wanna bring up Hitler and the Nazis, but that's one example we can all agree that a lot of people can be wrong.
Just because a lot of people are doing something, doesn't make it right.
Just because a lot of people make the assumption "adult" means "porn" doesn't mean that assumption is correct.
And just because a lot of people don't bother checking tags, OP, and reviews before clicking download, doesn't mean everyone should do the same.
Your entire argument has been, "The people who didn't bother even reading the OP or any of the tags, reviews, and getting butt-hurt after downloading something they could have avoided in the first place had they done any of the suggested things are not in the wrong simply because many do things the way they do." And "when people hear 'adult games/movies', they often think 'porn', so the 2 words are synonym."
In both cases, you're basically just saying, "because a lot of people are doing it, it must be the right thing to do". Don't wanna bring up Hitler and the Nazis, but that's one example we can all agree that a lot of people can be wrong.
Just because a lot of people are doing something, doesn't make it right.
Just because a lot of people make the assumption "adult" means "porn" doesn't mean that assumption is correct.
And just because a lot of people don't bother checking tags, OP, and reviews before clicking download, doesn't mean everyone should do the same.
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Ah, but you're assuming everyone can read. Contrary to popular beliefs, reading seems to be an advanced skills many are incapable of doing.
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My advice is, only use Bugfix if you run into any problems. There have been some who encountered bugs during their play (such as some of Gracie's events), but I've never had to use any bugfix until now, so yeah. Only use bugfix if you run into an actual bug (and not because you haven't done a particular action required to proceed etc) that won't let you proceed in the game.
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