Hopes and you were having a discussion; I myself was not referring to you specifically. If I had a issue with you I would have replied directly to your comment and not on hopes comments.
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Tags don't tell everything though. Let's say that two games both have oral sex tags, but one of them has e.g. 20 oral sex scenes and the other has only one, how can you tell the difference just by looking at tags? They clearly don't have the same amount of sexual content but have the same tags.
The dev and you guys are not wrong but the people who play this game expecting there to be more than one sex scene are not wrong either
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In the comment section but not the first post. It isn’t concisely laid out that one shouldn’t expect this game to be non-pornographic. The rest of your post, like others, try to make this into things it is not. It is not about anyone telling Hopes what kind of game to make and or what game belongs here. It’s only to say 2 things that regardless of the insistence of various people, are true regardless of their opinions:
1.) Whether one agrees with the expectation or not, it is not baseless and it does make sense that people would download this game thinking it was a porn game.
2.) It could easily be made clearer that it isn’t a porn game, especially in places that people are far more likely to look.
Whether accurate or not, one would have a valid argument to think this information being left off the two most looked at areas was intentional so people would try their game regardless because we know there are plenty of people that wouldn’t have even tried this game if the title read something like The DeLuca Family [v0.06.1] [not porn] [HopesGaming] or if in the first post, near the top it said something like: This game is more story focused than sex focused than sex based. While in later updates there will eventually be plenty of opportunity to bed people, this game isn’t intended to be a porn game.
And I don’t get what this has to do with the fact that:
1.) It makes sense for people to assume this a porn game.
2.) It could be easier to make it clear that it isn’t a porn game, by laying this fact out in the first post, near the top.
I mean, can Hopes not add information to the first post… or do only certain developers have that privilege?
Not even remotely relevant to anything I’ve pointed out. 130 out of how many games? And what do any of those 130 have to do with this one exactly?
Also, people keep talking about these tags… which none of them say this isn’t a porn game and all of those tags could easily be used in games that have pornographic content.
This means that the tags do not, in anyway, make it clear this is not a pornographic game.
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First off, thank you for taking the time to reply to me and I also appreciate your civility. I also apologize for the length of my responses but I prefer to be thorough so that it is clear that I'm reading what is being written and, more importantly, show I understood what was written... and if I didn't, it should be easier for someone to address where they feel they were misunderstood by me. That said...
In fact, the word “adult” is often used as a way to say “porn” without saying “porn” so this isn’t just one of the accepted definitions, this is the definition most people use in that context. If you say to someone “I’m going to look up some adult games to play or look for some adult movies to watch while I’m quarantined”, most people, by far, will assume the speaker means porn.
And if that isn’t you and was never you, kudos, but to pretend the above isn’t true is so disingenuous.
Replying to that statement with something akin to “Cool can mean something that is good, but sometimes it doesn’t”, doesn’t make any sense. Responding this way and or pointing that out when someone is explaining to you that regardless of how you personally use or don’t use the word “cool” it makes sense that others use it differently because etc, also doesn’t make sense.
Or more importantly, it doesn’t invalidate anything I’ve stated and doesn’t show a lack of merit in my statements.
This isn’t to say that no one holds opposing beliefs on this matter, just pointing out that your argument, that those agreements can’t be argued, is factually incorrect.
It’s irrelevant because it doesn’t change the fact that Hopes’ analogy was incorrect due to the fact that he said it was on the sign and it isn’t on the sign.
Your argument here has no merit because the length of the name is entirely irrelevant to whether or not one CAN add that to the title… well that, and “long” is entirely subjective. There are plenty of arguably “long titles” here on this site, so…
1.) We also have a forum posting system, we could use that too in this case. To my knowledge, putting information on one part of this place doesn’t stop one from being able to put it somewhere else.
2.) The tags here do not in anyway mean a game isn’t pornographic. In fact, these exact same tags could be used on a game that is pornographic in nature.
3.) The title and the first post, are where most people are going to look more than anywhere else… by far. We know this. This is fact. So let me put it this way…
If the only thing Hopes did was put it in the title like: The DeLuca Family [v0.06.1] [not porn] [HopesGaming]
It would likely have had more of an impact than all the reviews, tags, and comments combined. In fact, while I am not saying that this is the case, one could argue the reason to leave that information out at the start was intentional so people would try the game anyway and fall in love with it because it is a fact that many people wouldn’t have bothered downloading the game in the first place if they saw upfront this wasn’t porn.
If it was in the title and or the first post, everyone saying it’s someone else’s fault if they’re misled here would be 100% correct… but the information being in places that most people won’t look makes that false.
It’s like, technically they aren’t doing anything wrong by using these methods… but people aren’t wrong for not knowing things that aren’t laid right before them in the places they are far more likely to look/listen.
This is also a marker for being overly defensive by the way; seeing something as an attack or something else negative, when it isn’t. I’m expressing facts and also providing dissenting opinion. Responses like yours here make it seem like that kind of thing isn’t allowed here unless its confined to your standards/beliefs.
1.) It’s a person’s fault for expecting porn in this game, right now… it’s also not wrong for Hopes to have no porn in the game.
2.) It is incorrect to say that Hopes did everything they could to avoid confusion. They clearly didn’t and none of your arguments, not even theirs, goes against that fact. In fact, regardless as to the reason, Hopes has made it clear they intentionally won’t try to make it clearer. I assume to stick to their guns at this point?
At this point, the ONLY thing you’re all arguing against when you’re arguing against me is simply adding in the first post what this game is and what they intend for it to be and that makes no sense given it wouldn’t change anything else other than probably reducing the number of people that get frustrated when they discover there’s no porn in this game.
We would still have the tags, comments, reviews, etc… but why not also add one or two sentences to the first post? Why are you all so angry and adamant about such a move? What is the rational there?
Okay, I was being cheeky there but my point is, there are obviously a significant number of people who were confused. Even some of the people that gave this game 5 stars, say things in the review that make it clear to me that they were initially (sometimes still seem to be) confused. If it takes practically no effort to make things clearer for even more people, why not do it?
There’s nothing about a title that makes it to where it is wrong to include that info there… just like it isn’t wrong not to include that information there… but would it have helped in this case? Oh, absolutely. As I pointed out before, I know there were people that skimmed the first post after clicking on the title, played the game for hours, found no real pornography… came back to the thread, checked out the first post, saw nothing indicating this wasn’t meant to be a pornographic game… AND THEN posted.
But you need proof that most people don’t look past the first post? Truth be told, when people read at all, they’ll likely not go past the first 2 paragraphs or so of the first post.
Do you need proof that most people don’t look at comments or reviews?
Are you trying to say that you don’t believe that more people look at the first post than they do tags, reviews, and or comments?
Are you trying to say that no one did as I described?
If you are saying any of the above, you aren’t being logical. The closest to being logical you could come while disagreeing with what I’ve said there is to say you just don’t know, but even that comes dangerously close to being illogical as it ignores principles that people /businesses capitalize on and have been saying practically forever.
Except they clearly are since that it primarily what you will get for search results in any search engine. So yes, whether you like it or not ONE of the accepted definition of the word “adult”, especially when paired with words like “film”, “actress”, “film star”, and or “game”… is “porn”. This is so true that even Hopes used it in that way on their patreon.
In fact, the word “adult” is often used as a way to say “porn” without saying “porn” so this isn’t just one of the accepted definitions, this is the definition most people use in that context. If you say to someone “I’m going to look up some adult games to play or look for some adult movies to watch while I’m quarantined”, most people, by far, will assume the speaker means porn.
And if that isn’t you and was never you, kudos, but to pretend the above isn’t true is so disingenuous.
Since I’m not saying that the definition can’t mean other things, this is irrelevant. One of the accepted definitions of the word “cool” is a synonym for “good”.
Replying to that statement with something akin to “Cool can mean something that is good, but sometimes it doesn’t”, doesn’t make any sense. Responding this way and or pointing that out when someone is explaining to you that regardless of how you personally use or don’t use the word “cool” it makes sense that others use it differently because etc, also doesn’t make sense.
Or more importantly, it doesn’t invalidate anything I’ve stated and doesn’t show a lack of merit in my statements.
Actually, you can argue about them. In fact, there have been judges, lawyers, and other legal experts that have argued for decades that a EULA wasn’t enforceable because it was unreasonable to expect people to read the agreement. In fact, sometimes a contract is held as unenforceable if it is deemed to not use language that is clear enough to be understood.
This isn’t to say that no one holds opposing beliefs on this matter, just pointing out that your argument, that those agreements can’t be argued, is factually incorrect.
Yes, Hopes has been overly defensive at times and others over protective of them. As a result, we’re suddenly confused by people being confused about what this game is about. Suddenly, we’re arguing that a term, that for over a decade has been used in place of another word is suddenly not ever (or in fact, mostly) synonymous with that word it is often used interchangeably with. Those are markers for over protective/defensive.Are we? Perhaps, but I think, you think we are. I usually find it quiet interesting how many user know all this. I for myself often think I know something and believe that this is so, but then again, I'm also quiet sure I'm not normal
This argument is irrelevant to anything that I’ve said and has no merit.
It’s irrelevant because it doesn’t change the fact that Hopes’ analogy was incorrect due to the fact that he said it was on the sign and it isn’t on the sign.
Your argument here has no merit because the length of the name is entirely irrelevant to whether or not one CAN add that to the title… well that, and “long” is entirely subjective. There are plenty of arguably “long titles” here on this site, so…
Does this tag system prevent people from putting information in the first post? I see people repeating the tag system but never addressing my points regarding the tag system:
1.) We also have a forum posting system, we could use that too in this case. To my knowledge, putting information on one part of this place doesn’t stop one from being able to put it somewhere else.
2.) The tags here do not in anyway mean a game isn’t pornographic. In fact, these exact same tags could be used on a game that is pornographic in nature.
3.) The title and the first post, are where most people are going to look more than anywhere else… by far. We know this. This is fact. So let me put it this way…
If the only thing Hopes did was put it in the title like: The DeLuca Family [v0.06.1] [not porn] [HopesGaming]
It would likely have had more of an impact than all the reviews, tags, and comments combined. In fact, while I am not saying that this is the case, one could argue the reason to leave that information out at the start was intentional so people would try the game anyway and fall in love with it because it is a fact that many people wouldn’t have bothered downloading the game in the first place if they saw upfront this wasn’t porn.
If it was in the title and or the first post, everyone saying it’s someone else’s fault if they’re misled here would be 100% correct… but the information being in places that most people won’t look makes that false.
This argument basically amounts to, “If people would behave less like how majority of people behave most of the time, none of this would happen” and this is an absurd argument to make. People are going to be people. Every single business and entity is aware of this and they plan for it, sometimes taking advantage of this/these fact(s). It isn’t a coincidence that drug ads say rapidly and at the end of commercials what their side effects are or that certain details that might be considered negative are often written in the fine print.
It’s like, technically they aren’t doing anything wrong by using these methods… but people aren’t wrong for not knowing things that aren’t laid right before them in the places they are far more likely to look/listen.
And you would obviously be wrong because me responding is not the same as me “stomping” nor is it me “attacking” anyone. Me pointing out that certain things are factually wrong also do not fall into this category. However, saying you detest people, blaming them for things, implying their dumb and or crazy for being misled, and or calling them things like “entitled brats”, or referring to them as a negative type of breed of people… those things are very much actual examples of those negative things mentioned by Hopes.
This is also a marker for being overly defensive by the way; seeing something as an attack or something else negative, when it isn’t. I’m expressing facts and also providing dissenting opinion. Responses like yours here make it seem like that kind of thing isn’t allowed here unless its confined to your standards/beliefs.
I don’t care if Hopes puts any porn in this game or not. It’s their game. They should do whatever it is they want… but as I keep pointing out, it is wrong to say these two things:If HopesGaming finished the game without any porn in it, I will invite you to a drink at my cost - drinks, not the voyage to obtain it.
1.) It’s a person’s fault for expecting porn in this game, right now… it’s also not wrong for Hopes to have no porn in the game.
2.) It is incorrect to say that Hopes did everything they could to avoid confusion. They clearly didn’t and none of your arguments, not even theirs, goes against that fact. In fact, regardless as to the reason, Hopes has made it clear they intentionally won’t try to make it clearer. I assume to stick to their guns at this point?
At this point, the ONLY thing you’re all arguing against when you’re arguing against me is simply adding in the first post what this game is and what they intend for it to be and that makes no sense given it wouldn’t change anything else other than probably reducing the number of people that get frustrated when they discover there’s no porn in this game.
We would still have the tags, comments, reviews, etc… but why not also add one or two sentences to the first post? Why are you all so angry and adamant about such a move? What is the rational there?
So even though it would likely make it clearer for even more people (since not everyone is like you) they just shouldn’t do it because at least c3p0 is taken care of?
Okay, I was being cheeky there but my point is, there are obviously a significant number of people who were confused. Even some of the people that gave this game 5 stars, say things in the review that make it clear to me that they were initially (sometimes still seem to be) confused. If it takes practically no effort to make things clearer for even more people, why not do it?
You answered your own question because it often refers to the content. It’s not a question of why should it be… as much as, why not?
There’s nothing about a title that makes it to where it is wrong to include that info there… just like it isn’t wrong not to include that information there… but would it have helped in this case? Oh, absolutely. As I pointed out before, I know there were people that skimmed the first post after clicking on the title, played the game for hours, found no real pornography… came back to the thread, checked out the first post, saw nothing indicating this wasn’t meant to be a pornographic game… AND THEN posted.
You’re not being logical here. In fact, there was nothing logical about this statement/request either. You can’t prove everything. It’s an unreasonable request to ask me to prove my theory, but it also doesn’t mean I’m wrong.
But you need proof that most people don’t look past the first post? Truth be told, when people read at all, they’ll likely not go past the first 2 paragraphs or so of the first post.
Do you need proof that most people don’t look at comments or reviews?
Are you trying to say that you don’t believe that more people look at the first post than they do tags, reviews, and or comments?
Are you trying to say that no one did as I described?
If you are saying any of the above, you aren’t being logical. The closest to being logical you could come while disagreeing with what I’ve said there is to say you just don’t know, but even that comes dangerously close to being illogical as it ignores principles that people /businesses capitalize on and have been saying practically forever.
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Mine too, because I’m not sure why this would prevent making things even clearer. Unless one’s argument (and this would be wrong) that there’s nothing else reasonable that could be done to make it clearer that this isn’t a porn game, not sure why you all keep bringing up tags. It isn’t just you, but it obviously isn’t just one person that was still confused even with the tags. It’s head scratching that on one side people are arguing “Is it just me or can’t you do this and that or that and this?” thus feeling like it is enough that they were catered too… while arguing against the idea of simply making things even clearer with one or two more sentences or even just two added words in the title.
It’s like, is it just me, or wouldn’t it be easy to do this and it wouldn’t harm the people that already like this game and or would still give it a try… but also make it easier for people to recognize this isn’t what they’re looking for?
And oh dear God, someone actually… brought up Hitler. What in the absolute, the absolute F-? Lmao, yeah… to the person saying “maybe we might be overly defensive” someone brought up, LMAO, fuckin Hitler. Yeah, overly defensive.
Typical human fallacy to be unable to accurately say the opposing argument. You went wrong on the part in red and it is a very important thing here because I literally have been saying the complete opposite of that statement. No MonkeyLord (cool name by the way (no sarcasm, I genuinely like it)), in fact, the problem is the first post doesn’t say any of the things Hopes has been saying after the fact throughout the comment section.
This is grossly incorrect. Saying something isn’t wrong… is not the same as calling it correct. Two things are however facts regarding this front:
1.) It isn’t wrong when a person expects this to be a porn game. Not saying they are correct to do so, but they certainly aren’t wrong… just like it isn’t wrong to not try to make things clearer, it isn’t right not to either.
2.) When it comes to the definitions of words, how they’re used is the only way they obtain definition. So yes, in the case of the meaning of a word, it is absolutely dependent on its use so in this case, the fact that it is not only often, but mainly used this way when paired with other words (to the point where Hopes used the term in this exact manner) does mean that is in fact ONE of the meanings of the word. ONE of the meanings. I’ll say it again, ONE OF THE MEANINGS… and it is completely false and or incorrect to claim that, while it has other definitions uses, that this is not one of them.
It would be just as incorrect to argue that “cool” meaning “good” and or being synonymous with it the word, is NOT ONE of its uses/meanings. It is.
Not when it comes to words because that is literally the only way words gain meaning is when significant groups of people use them in such a manner.
And can we just pause for a minute and reflect on somehow someone, basically thinks bringing up Hitler is a reasonable argument here. Let’s think for a few moments about how someone is trying to argue that just because many people use the term “spare tire” to mean belly fat, particularly fat around the mid-section, it doesn’t mean those people are right to use the term that way… because… and get this… look what happened with Hitler?
Wow.
I didn’t say the assumption was correct… I said it made sense. I said it’s a logical assumption. I said it was not a baseless assumption. I want everyone to notice what hasn’t been said anywhere there… that it was correct or right.
No it doesn’t… which is probably why I didn’t even imply as much. But it isn’t just some games on here that are porn games… it’s most of them. It isn’t just some people that don’t read past the title and the first paragraph or two of the first post… it’s most of them. And yes, even all of you declaring how great you are because you read everything first or whatever… most of you work the exact same way because that is how most of us function. How do we know this? Because of decades of research, trial and error, and so businesses and advertising, and so much more, rely on these fallacies of ours.
All I’m saying is we need to cut this holier-than-thou attitude where we’re looking down on and detesting people for expecting a porn game on a site populated mostly by porn games and using terms that if you do a search in just about any search engine, will come back primarily (overwhelmingly so) with results related to pornography.
HOPES isn’t wrong…
But neither are THEY.
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A final, general word on this matter for me. I appreciate the civil discussion. I think it is relevant to this game and given the number of times this discussion has broken out...
I mean, there's a saying... if you run into a jerk once, you ran into a jerk. You run into a jerk all the time, you're the jerk. What I'm saying here is, if this discussion keeps coming back, over and over again... maybe they aren't the problem. If my people keep not doing what I'm telling them, at some point I have to wonder if there's something I'm doing and or not doing to make it easier for them to understand what I want them to understand. In fact, even if it has been only one of them, the first thing I do is think if I could have been any clearer in any way. In this case, easily, with no effort at all Hopes COULD be clearer.
Bringing up anything else is literally irrelevant to the fact that things COULD be made clearer. Now, if Hopes doesn't want to do that, Hopes isn't wrong for that... but it is absolutely 100% wrong to keep getting mad whenever someone comments in a way that indicates that they expected this to be a porn game. Even people that gave this 5 stars, some of them clearly expected a porn game... some kind of seem to still expect as much.
I'm not calling anyone correct. I'm not attacking Hopes for making the game the way they want as they 100% should do that, but while we should do things like read everything and do research every single time... we don't. Humans don't generally do this until something makes them do it. You know how many times people have put stuff together not looking at the manual?
I'm not saying that makes us right... but we aren't wrong for being human and I promise, promise we've all functioned that way and will in the future even if we didn't do that here.
All I wanted to say was that it was wrong to look down on anyone here, attack anyone here, detest anyone here. We're human, we have different perspective, and we,more often than not don't mean any harm to anyone. but when we're passionate about something, when we expect one thing and get another (whether it was our fault or not) we get upset. We all know these things. We've all been in these situations. We just need to stop looking at each other like adversaries or... I don't even know but there's not always a right side and a wrong side in a disagreement. Sometimes you just have two opposing views and neither of you are wrong.
If two teams are playing, San Antonio Monkey Lords and the Paris Hopes are playing against each other, neither of us is wrong regardless of whom we're routing for to win... but even in that situation we often treat it like someone is wrong if they don't support the same team.
I think its wonderful what Hopes is doing. It may not be for me, but I think there's a lack of games like theirs and this community could surely use more games like theirs. There's a lot of care and creativity you just don't commonly see with many of the other creations. I think it is wonderful that they found so much support here. I hope it makes them feel good to see you truly in love with what they've made. It must be an amazing feeling, but I'm not surprised. There is something special here... but I worry that some of our reactions to those who don't feel the same way, especially if their criticism is outside what we find acceptable may sometimes tarnish things a bit. That's just my opinion.
I hope I didn't offend anyone, but if I did, well, what can you do? I appreciated our discussion on this. HopesGaming I cannot thank you enough for the time you took to reply to me. You're one of the most responsive devs on here and I hope that even those that aren't in love with your art can appreciate this fact.
Thank you again everyone for your time and I'm done speaking on this for now so no more long posts from me here on this, lol.
I mean, there's a saying... if you run into a jerk once, you ran into a jerk. You run into a jerk all the time, you're the jerk. What I'm saying here is, if this discussion keeps coming back, over and over again... maybe they aren't the problem. If my people keep not doing what I'm telling them, at some point I have to wonder if there's something I'm doing and or not doing to make it easier for them to understand what I want them to understand. In fact, even if it has been only one of them, the first thing I do is think if I could have been any clearer in any way. In this case, easily, with no effort at all Hopes COULD be clearer.
Bringing up anything else is literally irrelevant to the fact that things COULD be made clearer. Now, if Hopes doesn't want to do that, Hopes isn't wrong for that... but it is absolutely 100% wrong to keep getting mad whenever someone comments in a way that indicates that they expected this to be a porn game. Even people that gave this 5 stars, some of them clearly expected a porn game... some kind of seem to still expect as much.
I'm not calling anyone correct. I'm not attacking Hopes for making the game the way they want as they 100% should do that, but while we should do things like read everything and do research every single time... we don't. Humans don't generally do this until something makes them do it. You know how many times people have put stuff together not looking at the manual?
I'm not saying that makes us right... but we aren't wrong for being human and I promise, promise we've all functioned that way and will in the future even if we didn't do that here.
All I wanted to say was that it was wrong to look down on anyone here, attack anyone here, detest anyone here. We're human, we have different perspective, and we,more often than not don't mean any harm to anyone. but when we're passionate about something, when we expect one thing and get another (whether it was our fault or not) we get upset. We all know these things. We've all been in these situations. We just need to stop looking at each other like adversaries or... I don't even know but there's not always a right side and a wrong side in a disagreement. Sometimes you just have two opposing views and neither of you are wrong.
If two teams are playing, San Antonio Monkey Lords and the Paris Hopes are playing against each other, neither of us is wrong regardless of whom we're routing for to win... but even in that situation we often treat it like someone is wrong if they don't support the same team.
I think its wonderful what Hopes is doing. It may not be for me, but I think there's a lack of games like theirs and this community could surely use more games like theirs. There's a lot of care and creativity you just don't commonly see with many of the other creations. I think it is wonderful that they found so much support here. I hope it makes them feel good to see you truly in love with what they've made. It must be an amazing feeling, but I'm not surprised. There is something special here... but I worry that some of our reactions to those who don't feel the same way, especially if their criticism is outside what we find acceptable may sometimes tarnish things a bit. That's just my opinion.
I hope I didn't offend anyone, but if I did, well, what can you do? I appreciated our discussion on this. HopesGaming I cannot thank you enough for the time you took to reply to me. You're one of the most responsive devs on here and I hope that even those that aren't in love with your art can appreciate this fact.
Thank you again everyone for your time and I'm done speaking on this for now so no more long posts from me here on this, lol.
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Why would it even need to be clearer though? The tags themselves as I've said before, are pretty self explanatory. And there's also reviews that people put up as well. Anything else (on top of this system at f95zone) would basically be Hopes pandering and spoon-feeding this very small minority (who clearly don't look at the tags, or bother reading the reviews for that matter).
To add, before you go on saying "People shouldn't have to go to reviews/tags in order to find out what the game is like." well, let's take reviews for example. People refer to reviews to find out whether something may be to their liking or not. It can apply to basically any form of media - whether it's a movie or game (whether it's a written review or video review from youtube).
For example, if a moviegoer goes to see a film, but didn't watch/read any reviews, and finds out there's a scene that he/she finds offensive (whereas everyone else may just laugh it off as a joke/satire) that they would have known in advance if they've seen the review, is it the fault of the director (For his creative decisions)? And should the director go over and above saying there may or may not be a scene that could offend this minority?
No. The onus here is completely on the audience, whether they decide to see any reviews to gauge whether the film may be to their liking after the review. If he or she watched the movie without looking at these reviews (and is angered, etc), they only have themselves to blame since they went in without knowing anything about it.
This applies not just to movies, but tv series, games, basically all forms of entertainment.
If people went into The DeLuca Family without looking at the tags and the reviews (and are unhappy with what they got), well they only have themselves to blame for being lazy & not finding out more about it beforehand.
And like the director in the above example, Hopes really shouldn't need to go above and beyond what is generally required - which in f95zone is basically making sure the game tagged accurately, and people (who are new to the game) have access to the reviews (he's doing that. And no, this is not to get a pat on the head from him, if you're looking to say that lol. I would feel exactly the same way, say hypothetically if I was a Dev)
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Geez. This guy. Coming into a forum about a game that is about one thing and trying to convince us all and the dev that is should be about something else. So a dev is not allowed to make the game they want, one that is very highly rated by many fans here by the way, a game that clearly indicates that its focus is going to be on building up the story with sex scenes eventually (you know, actually realistic), without getting complaints that it isn't about something else. What is wrong with these people?
It would be like me going into the Summertime Saga thread and complaining that the dev should switch the game to a straight VN because I don't like sandbox games. Or me complaining that the dev should redraw everything using 3D assets because I don't like 2D art. Don't these people have anything better to do?
I tell you HopesGaming, you have an unbelievable patience with these folks. It seems like at least once a month someone comes here and goes on a tirade about how there isn't enough sexual content by the current update to be posted on this site (ignoring the 181 games posted here that actually have the no sexual content tag with no plans of sexual content ever), or that they feel somehow cheated for being forced to play it for free without looking at the first page or many reviews mentioning the basic premise of your game.
If were me, I think I'd get tired of patiently explaining everything by the 10 time and just say "Thank you for the insightful comment. See page 1, FAQ, Question 4".
It would be like me going into the Summertime Saga thread and complaining that the dev should switch the game to a straight VN because I don't like sandbox games. Or me complaining that the dev should redraw everything using 3D assets because I don't like 2D art. Don't these people have anything better to do?
I tell you HopesGaming, you have an unbelievable patience with these folks. It seems like at least once a month someone comes here and goes on a tirade about how there isn't enough sexual content by the current update to be posted on this site (ignoring the 181 games posted here that actually have the no sexual content tag with no plans of sexual content ever), or that they feel somehow cheated for being forced to play it for free without looking at the first page or many reviews mentioning the basic premise of your game.
If were me, I think I'd get tired of patiently explaining everything by the 10 time and just say "Thank you for the insightful comment. See page 1, FAQ, Question 4".
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So basically, "TL, DR" version: HopesGaming shouldn't make a game expecting the average player to be able to read the OP, tags, or review, nor heeding the repeated warning every few pages in the thread. He should make it clear in block letters and pictures, as if the average player just have the basic function of an illiterate caveman in mating season?
And don't say you didn't imply just that. You basically just said we shouldn't expect people to understand anything more or read all of the above before downloading because that's how humans function. I've been facepalming the last 20 minutes feeling my IQ dropping down before rebooting myself to type this comment.
At its current state, there's already an abundant amount of warnings about what type of game this is. For ANY HUMAN WITH BASIC FUNCTION and THE ABILITY TO READ, it shouldn't be hard to spend 1-5 minutes skimming through reviews and tags, and/or use the search function to determine whether or not they should download a game. And if they can't even bother to do that, they have only themselves to blame, not human nature.
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For all what is worth, I tried to keep it short. If you like to discuss our opinions on things more, we can to this without distrub this thread. This is only my opinion here as always, feel free to agree or disagre.
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Yes, it was absolutely mind blowing but when it comes to this game I like the more sad parts. Like the little Luna part. I liked it so much that I'm throwing the others to secondary importance. I don't like cheating even in the games even if it is me who is doing the cheating or Isabel it doesn't work for me that scene was only good because of the Isabel's beauty (of course this is my opinion)
fair enough, though i feel the beautiful loving Isabel trapped in an unhappy marriage is a very sad part.
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Hey MonkeyLord, that isn't what was said and when you claimed I was saying this, I explained why this interpretation was incorrect. As I said, earlier, not going to go into this anymore here.
I do however, appreciate your response.
EDIT: And while I have made the offer privately, to continue this conversation privately, to those that have spoke on this subject (where I could, some of you prevent people like me from being able to reach out to you, lol), my offer literally extends to anyone. I am always open to discussion.
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