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Every thread here belong to everyone. Not a portion of pplz who think they hold the absolute truth. Never thought I'd say that, but sometimes, I think I understand the dude who created multiple accounts to shitpost everywhere. This was probably a member who got tired of being tossed around by those pplz. When you think about it, he didn't choose his targets on a whim.
Well, what you're saying would be correct, only if the dude who created multiple accounts didn't start off by saying "Hopes is a milker" and then proceeded to try to convince others on the thread (yet failing miserably :ROFLMAO:) that he holds the absolute truth (even moreso than Hopes himself :ROFLMAO::LOL:).
And when members started calling him out (which is pretty natural thing to do, for spreading lies) and reporting him, he kept making new accounts and coming back.
So sure, he didn't choose his targets on a whim, but as the saying goes, you reap what you sow (basically consequences of him spreading lies and attacking Hopes' character on this thread).
Plus noone even knew about that guy before he started posting those comments about Hopes.


I'd take offense to that if i cared..........

But i couldn't have said it any better than Hopes did earlier about the "hostility" in this thread. Constructive criticism is always welcome.
Yeah, Constructive Criticism I don't think anyone minds on this thread, and takes it all with no problem. But more often than not, it's not constructive criticism, but unreasonable demands, and trolling which comes.
And so many types of idiocy that Hopes has dealt with regarding them.
 
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Well, what you're saying would be correct, only if the dude who created multiple accounts didn't start off by saying "Hopes is a milker" and then proceeded to try to convince others on the thread (yet failing miserably :ROFLMAO:) that he holds the absolute truth (even moreso than Hopes himself :ROFLMAO::LOL:).
And when members who started calling him out (which is pretty natural thing to do, for spreading lies) and reporting him, he kept making new accounts and coming back.
So sure, he didn't choose his targets on a whim, but as the saying goes, you reap what you sow (basically consequences of him spreading lies and attacking Hopes' character on this thread).
Plus noone even knew about that guy before he started posting those comments about Hopes.




Yeah, Constructive Criticism I don't think anyone minds on this thread, and takes it all with no problem. But more often than not, it's not constructive criticism, but unreasonable demands, and trolling which comes.
And so many types of idiocy that Hopes has dealt with regarding them.
All very VERY true....
 

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Wow, After reading the recent messages in this thread, I can say why I Love this thread, cuz it is really Friendly, Everyone's opinion is Respected , And the most important one... Our Dev HopesGaming interacts with us and sometimes even Joke too:LOL:and very Hilariously teases us about the Updates. Really One of the Best Threads I have ever watched/read on this website.
Keep This Up(y).
 
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Just play this a month ago, I hesitate before because not too interested in mafia theme, turn out deluca have the best story off all avn i have played until now. I'm excited for the upcoming update :geek:
 

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Let's say the things the way they are. Bad criticism in this thread comes mainly in two forms:

1) Why are there no sex scenes still?
2) Why is update taking so long?

For the first one, people cannot have any right. A visual novel is, after all, a piece of art. This project is not funded by a Mecenas asking their artist what they want. This project is funded by donations. Provided that Hopes sets promises he always kept, people are not free to demand the story takes any form.
The typical example you can see in this forum is a developer saying there will be no NTR and later including something like that and then some supporters claiming they were lied to, case that most of the time is simply a consequence of not explicitly defining NTR in the first place and each side understanding something different
As far as I know, Hopes have not promised anything in terms of artistic traits that were outright lies, so if he wants to take until the very last scene for sex scenes all should be good.

For the second complain, and I said this as someone that has happily given the full price of Cyberpunk 2077 to this project, this is more of a complex issue but POTENTIALLY JUSTIFIED. First, as long as I have been following this project, Hopes made it clear that it was a side project to his main job. BUT at the same time, the development speed has been bad last year at least. I do hope that this is mainly due to change in code.
Let's see numbers. Last update was last week of July. However, that update was simply finishing things from the previous update, that happened last days of March. So all together, last year there was a single update, if you will, which was Isabel's. This is one of the free roaming updates which are supposed to be the fastest one. Before that, the previous update was around November.
I honestly cannot say that this development cycle is good. And while I understands things happen (I support Summer's Gone which had had only one update in a whole year), I am expecting a faster development cycle in the future. I am not saying monthly or even bimonthly updates, which would be great, but I would like to have at least 3/4 updates per year.

Having said all that, the main issue with the criticism you find in this thread is that of entitles bitches that demand stuff they get for free in a pirate forum. Their argument are always around this:

1) Dude, you are a fucking milker, you are supported by a bunch of idiots you take advantage of
2) Your story is total crap, written in a stupid way, your characters are totally stupid, they make no sense bla bla bla, So why does it take you so long?
3) This is porn game, 3 years and no sex story? This is stupid.

About 1, they claim dev is milking and taking advantages of the supporters. But it is the supporters decision to support the project. So all in all, people are giving their consent. Then this guy take hopes work and supporter's money for granted and demand stuff to be done faster. How is that not taking advantage of supporters and development alike? Who the fuck do they think they are to demand what people do with their own time? Besides, supporters are not mindless hypnotized idiots following a herd. If this little guy can figure out a developer is milking, supporters can too. So who the fuck do they think they are to come and "open your eyes". It is obvious a way to put pressure in the developer to work faster, not because they care about those supporters "that are being taken advantage", but because they want more content. In the end, those assholes calling milker all the time, are the first one to freely download the content when the game is update, not even waiting for supporters "exclusivity time". After all, they are stupid, so fuck them, right?

About 2, if you really believe everything is so bad and beyond all repair, why even take the time to go to the forum and complain? I only make constructive criticism when I like something. If something is crap, I will not lose time to try and improve it. It can go to the garbage dump for all I care. So my mindset has always been that if something is taking time to give you feedback it is because they want the project to become the best there is.
While there are those that simply want to go and claim that everything is total crap, I strongly believe those that do that are simply unhappy because the game took a turn they dislike. "why is heroine x not a virgin? don't you know that she is 25 years old and should have saved her hymen for her daddy? are you stupid or what?"

About 3, well, not much to say given that they should have understood from the beginning, story first, lewd second. In the end, this is strongly related to the second item.

So those are my thoughts on the matter. Constructive criticism is always welcome, as I said, it shows you care about something. Otherwise, why bother? but acting like an entitled bitch is not constructive criticism.

IMPORTANTLY: I don't mind facepalms at all. But if you think that what I am saying is stupid or wrong, facepalm me but explain me the fault in my reasoning. I have no problem saying I was mistaken and say sorry if i ended up being wrong. And I am always welcoming the chance to learn and improve. So please, let me know where my logic or opinion is wrong.
 
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About 3, well, not much to say given that they should have understood from the beginning, story first, lewd second. In the end, this is strongly related to the second item.
Well said on all.
The problem above comes to pass precisely as you said.
Not because the dev failed to do something, but because the people complaining did not bother to understand what they, themselves, should have done.
The very information that invalidates their complaint.
Problem with trolls is that they simply shift goalposts.
The people complaining that a game is released late, will be the same people at the top of the list complaining if the game is released on time, but with bugs.
Then they will be saying that the dev should have delayed to fix the bugs, first.

Instead of managing their own expectation and recognising that they are not entitled to imaginary promises, that were never actually made, they look for things to complain about &, if they can't find them, they invent them.
Sad existence.
 

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Yeah and I know who you are talking about. I just hate that behavior. They act as if the thread belongs to them and monopolize every damn discussion/debate. It's really frustrating. If you go against their theories/ideas/points/whatever, you are going to face a hard time. And Staff members/mods don't do anything about that.

Every thread here belong to everyone. Not a portion of pplz who think they hold the absolute truth. Never thought I'd say that, but sometimes, I think I understand the dude who created multiple accounts to shitpost everywhere. This was probably a member who got tired of being tossed around by those pplz. When you think about it, he didn't choose his targets on a whim.
The only things that have ever been shot down, are those which are directly contrary to established facts.
People claiming that the dev is milking, that he "promised X", game doesn't do what they want it to, etc.
If people make claims which are contrary to facts, it's generally accepted that people will present those facts, to establish truth over unsubstantiated opinion, formed from a poorly judged sense of entitlement.

Constructive equates to here is why I think the game is not done well, this is how it could be done better.
What the troll types post here is destructive, bashing the game, the dev & anyone who likes the game. This is not constructive.
 
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Bought a new pc. Glad I came to read up on the posts and didn't already start a new playthrough :ROFLMAO:
I've been missing Luna terribly :p
(Yeah, I didn't think to copy over my saves. 100+ game saves all gone. Going to wear myself out replaying them all)
 
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And now you can continue to throw feces on the fan, because you did not even donate $ 1 to the project that you so zealously idolize.
You did read the part were I said I did support it?

Everything else I don't care about. It is your opinion and it is fine. You do you. But this is not an opinion. I did support the project.

For the second complain, and I said this as someone that has happily given the full price of Cyberpunk 2077 to this project, this is more of a complex issue but POTENTIALLY JUSTIFIED.
 

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because you did not even donate $ 1 to the project that you so zealously idolize. :4Head:
Unsubstantiated assumption. Contradicted directly by facts.
Even if the rest of your post is correct, then surely the person who did not donate is in a far better position than the person who did?
The person who did not donate remains objective & judges it for what they see, rather than their view being filtered through their bitter opinion.
The person who did donate and feels hard done by, forms an opinion from a frustrated position. This is otherwise known as confirmation bias.
Other people who donate, do not share your view.
This makes it entirely subjective.
 

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Friend, how much did you donate to him ? A good friend of mine gave this game a few years on the highest subscription, in other words, he could not donate to it, but buy 3090. All because of the "HOPE", although I told him a long time ago that this game will last forever. Even you wish for normal updates and you know that they were not until today. And yet, somewhere in your heart you realize that you will play the game fully by the end of 2040. Do you know what the new generation of video cards do and what crazy renderers you can do ? I'll give you an inside look: (you can make Hollywood-level content on two cards)
That proves to me you did not read my post. I said implicitly how much. The full price of Cyberpunk 2077 is 60 dollars (12 months x 5 dollars per month).

I don't care about what others do with their money. It is their right and their problem, for better or worse. I don't like people telling me what to do so I will not tell them what they should do.

But if you are going to go and make claims about people, on the very least read their post. I do welcome the flaw in my logic and opinion. I grow every time someone corrects me.
 
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Friend, how much did you donate to him ? A good friend of mine gave this game a few years on the highest subscription, in other words, he could not donate to it, but buy 3090. All because of the "HOPE", although I told him a long time ago that this game will last forever. Even you wish for normal updates and you know that they were not until today. And yet, somewhere in your heart you realize that you will play the game fully by the end of 2040. Do you know what the new generation of video cards do and what crazy renderers you can do ? I'll give you an inside look: (you can make Hollywood-level content on two cards)
Seriously, I do not understand what you hope to achieve.
Is it that you want to save other players from making the same mistake that you did?
Is it that you want to change the mind of people who do enjoy it?

I really do not think you're being particularly successful, at either.
Please explain your objective?
 

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Seriously, I do not understand what you hope to achieve.
Is it that you want to save other players from making the same mistake that you did?
Is it that you want to change the mind of people who do enjoy it?

I really do not think you're being particularly successful, at either.
Please explain your objective?
And in addition to that, please present proof to the things you write.
 
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Initially, my goal was to return the money I spent, but I didn't care anymore. Then I got carried away with the thread and some people wrote to me that I could make a project with a lot of content on this topic with Snake character models. I'm at work right now. Soon, a game (similar to DeLuca) will appear on this site with the same character models, only with content in version 0.1 five times more than the current Snake game. It will be interesting. It's interesting to show the public what you can do in a month on good hardware if you really care about your game. An amazing fact, I found a more realistic quality of his character models in the free access, although this is already a separate topic for conversation. So guys, expect absolute penetration into your favorite characters with ridiculous lines from this topic.
So.... zero proof?
This whole post has nothing at all to do with what was requested.
Are you familiar with the concept "the burden of evidence"?
If you make a claim, it is up to you to prove it, not to anyone else to disprove it.
 
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Initially, my goal was to return the money I spent, but I didn't care anymore. Then I got carried away with the thread and some people wrote to me that I could make a project with a lot of content on this topic with Snake character models. I'm at work right now. Soon, a game (similar to DeLuca) will appear on this site with the same character models, only with content in version 0.1 five times more than the current Snake game. It will be interesting. It's interesting to show the public what you can do in a month on good hardware if you really care about your game. An amazing fact, I found a more realistic quality of his character models in the free access, although this is already a separate topic for conversation. So guys, expect absolute penetration into your favorite characters with ridiculous lines from this topic.
Ohh so when will release? you said a month of development? so you probably have a release date set. Can you show some renders? I am interested.
 
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