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DrRock

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Because this is a porn game, no gameplay needed, just fucking........
I can see that point of view, however I would put forward that something lacking from games is fucking, and not gameplay. Personally, I would like to see all games lose the puritan viewpoint of sex is bad and we pretend we don't all do it. Then produce adult content where appropriate with choices to turn on or off that content. Like the outcry over hot coffee back in the day, such faked outrage while looking sideways at the person next to you to make sure you're doing the outrage right. So much is trying to change these days, I think these developers putting in effort to give you an entire well rounded experience is great.

So a game with gameplay that includes fucking, therefore making an actual "game", is a great thing in my personal opinion.
 
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I can see that point of view, however I would put forward that something lacking from games is fucking, and not gameplay. Personally, I would like to see all games lose the puritan viewpoint of sex is bad and we pretend we don't all do it. Then produce adult content where appropriate with choices to turn on or off that content. Like the outcry over hot coffee back in the day, such faked outrage while looking sideways at the person next to you to make sure your doing the outrage right. So much is trying to change these days I think these developers putting in effort to give you an entire well rounded experience is great.

So a game with gameplay that includes fucking, therefore making an actual "game", is a great thing in my personal opinion.
I think the Pussy was just kitten' around and this was ironic. (The "Hot Coffee" story by the way is quite complicated.)

Apart from that I'd agree, if games (where it is appropriate, but RPGs, especially with "love interests" come to mind) were more open, that'd be nice. Thinking about the "side butt scandal" from Mass Effect 1 I think however, we're still quite removed from that. However, the more explicit scenes (still not porn) in Mass Effect Andromeda make it seem like it will maybe slowly change, since apparently nobody bothered anymore.
 
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If only people would learn to use the search function they would know that the dev announced his own death almost 600 pages ago on post https://f95zone.to/threads/the-deluca-family-v0-06-6-hopesgaming.15459/post-1691400.

Maybe then we could get back to trying to remember who Joey was, making unreasonable demands for having Wilfred ride into battle on a Dragon while wearing his blue dress and dropping Floaty onto hoards of enemies as he is obviously an indestructible weapon of mass destruction. and wondering if Luna has a Gun Gun to go with her Knife Knife.

BTW, has anyone else tried to use explosives to paint a room? It really doesn't do a good job.
 

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Joey, Joey, hmmm, ..., :unsure: - Taxi driver who died in this brutal car crash when suddenly a floating stone was thrown by a blue clad dragonrider? Poor Joey, he was a good guy.
 
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If you ever come across someone who's traumatised, you insisting to them to let you in will quite possibly make them either irritated or pull back even further. You can't just hit everything on the head with a hammer. If you want to be close to be someone who suffers from it, you just have to be kind and understanding to them. Help them if they ask and if you can. Basically just be there for them without being overbearing. And eventually they should let you in. But if they don't, don't get angry with them. Remember it's their choice.

The thing is Cordia fucked Luna over when she let him into the Mafia world. Luna was fucked up and her solution to it was letting her get fucked up even more. What Luna needs is a fuck ton of therapy. Which I reckon she never got. So if the MC wants to help her, he should start by recommending therapy to her.
I will never make light of the trauma that Luna suffered, but she did come a long way in terms of her state since how she was when she was first released from the Mysterious 6. If MC had met her at that time (where extremes of her behavior included killing everything in sight, being even more isolated than now, with only Gracie), then I would be against MC's behavior.

But current situation is different from back then. Luna, even bearing the scars of trauma, is more calmer, and a lot less fragile especially compared to when she was a child. Also, to add I believe there's different forms of being kind. Being understanding and doing what she wants (leave the case of Myserious 6 alone, and let her to deal with it all herself) I feel is only being kind on the surface level.
MC did an outburst, sure. But Luna is not angry or mad with him because she understands the "intent" (lol I'm starting to sound like Gracie) behind his anger. His anger really isn't directed towards Luna, but towards the Mysterious 6, who put her through all the suffering. She understands his rage (and Gracie basically clarifies it in their conversation straight afterwards), and that is why we don't see her angry like she was when she founds out MC asked Wilfred about the Mysterious 6.

And just like you said it's Luna choice whether to let MC in or not, it's MC's choice to help Luna or not despite her saying No. And yes that is selfish from an angle, but even that, Gracie explains to Luna afterwards saying "kind Hope is selfish Hope" (or something along those lines, can't remember the exact words).

Plus, MC's actions basically lit the fuse on Gracie as well, who actively declares she will help her sister as well (my guess is, until then she was just being the observer, and left Luna to her devices (though I guess there was not much even Gracie could do, since she didn't start to actively join the missions until MC entered the fray).

I don't think it's as simple as pointing the finger at Cordia tbh. We didn't get any of Cordia's events yet so we don't know full extent of her intent, plans for the MC, and the previous event did show Wilfred saying intent of Cordia (and Wilfred) is for MC to solve these issues for the girls.
Besides, if there is one thing that Luna could fault Cordia for, that's for being born in a Mafia Family, but I think things are a lot more complicated than that (with Cordia herself's past etc).

Game doesn't state whether Luna got therapy or not, so not much I can comment here.
Though if MC can tries telling Luna to go see a therapist, I'd imagine the first thing he might receive is a punch in the face. :LOL:

Wrong question. "Why invest 10 month of development time in a secondary trait of the product" - and likely more than 10 month, since there will be bugs, and you will need to waste even more time fixing that.

It is a plot-intensive almost-VN with erotic subtext. There was literally no gameplay whatsoever, and everyone was fine with that since the game started. Feels like another remaking of a proper VN into a Sandbox because reasons. There could have been 3-4 whole plot updates actually moving story forward, but instead we will get what, three side-quest? Yeh. Totaly worth the time.

Honestly, being a DIK is getting updated three times faster than that, despite throwing entire plot arcs with gigabytes and hours worth of content.
"There was literally no gameplay whatsoever, and everyone was fine with that since the game started."

That's not correct. I love the game, but gameplay with the Contracts was one of the few weak parts of the game. And a lot of people are glad that is getting an overhaul and looking forward to it.

With this update we're getting:

- Eiza's sister rescue mission (this alone is actually amount of a normal update I'm guessing)
- Wilfred's contracts complete overhaul with new Contracts & gameplay (and these Contracts themselves have their own stories, so they're like mini-events)
- Renders of opening scenes and the breakfast with the Family scene were redone.
- Some of GUI is getting a bit of update.

Sure, this update took longer than usual, but I'm not complaining with the above content (and I doubt other than the very small minority, there would be other complaining either).

My guess is, you've never played games like "Summer's Gone" and "Where it All Began", fantastic games, even though waits have have been for a long time (even longer than this game's current update).
You're gonna end up missing out on a lot of good games with your kind of mindset.
 

JJJ84

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Now I'm thinking about Luna seeing a therapist:

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To be honest, with how impatient Luna can be I'd imagine she would start to get irritated with the therapist after the frst question and stab the therapist with his own pen on his kneecap :LOL: (deja vu to the ice cream and gun event at MC's promotion lol)
 

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I have to say, that this:
Wrong question. "Why invest 10 month of development time in a secondary trait of the product" - and likely more than 10 month, since there will be bugs, and you will need to waste even more time fixing that.
Seems to be answered, by this:
It is a plot-intensive almost-VN with erotic subtext.
Your own answer suggesting that it is, perhaps, not a secondary trait of the product, after all & despite the fact that no-one has ever claimed that it is a secondary trait, why do you believe that the story is a secondary trait & to what?

This post suggests that, because you got a story driven game, instead of the sex scene driven game that you imagined it should be, you're not happy.
Sorry to say, but that's simply entitlement.
Honestly, being a DIK is getting updated three times faster than that, despite throwing entire plot arcs with gigabytes and hours worth of content.
This seems to be another answer to your own question, provided by you.
If that games does what you want from a game, then maybe just go and enjoy it, instead of complaining here that this game doesn't?

Wouldn't that be more, productive?
 
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JJJ84

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Not gonna lie. Biggest joy in the DeLuca's coming update will be the update itself obviously.
But I will no doubt take small delight in knowing it will shut these people up (at least for a little while) who went on saying "Oh it's abandoned" "Oh it's game over" or "Oh Hopes is milking" etc for the a while now.

Does that make me a bad person? Perhaps it does. But I won't be sorry about it at all. :LOL:
 
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Yo hopes, hope your are doing great.
just got a question and not sure if it has been answered before,
is there any incest planned in this game?
No, not planned. And although I'm not hope, I don't think I'm wrong here.:D
 
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Not gonna lie. Biggest joy in the DeLuca's coming update will be the update itself obviously.
But I will no doubt take small delight in knowing it will shut these people up (at least for a little while) who went on saying "Oh it's abandoned" "Oh it's game over" or "Oh Hopes is milking" etc for the a while now.

Does that make me a bad person? Perhaps it does. But I won't be sorry about it at all. :LOL:
Nah it won't, they will just complain that the amount of content doesn't justify the wait. These people are super predictable. It's actually pretty sad.
 

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Not gonna lie. Biggest joy in the DeLuca's coming update will be the update itself obviously.
But I will no doubt take small delight in knowing it will shut these people up (at least for a little while) who went on saying "Oh it's abandoned" "Oh it's game over" or "Oh Hopes is milking" etc for the a while now.
I wish it would, but I think, unfortunately, it won't.
They're serial complainers.
They'll just shift goalposts and complain that it was too short, not enough story progress.
Despite this information being widely available to all & has been for some time.
 

JJJ84

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Yo hopes, hope your are doing great.
just got a question and not sure if it has been answered before,
is there any incest planned in this game?
hopes.png

Above image is only a small part of Hopes' FAQs in his Patreon page. Check his Patreon page if you want to know more.
 
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