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Don't think not making someone else's trauma about yourself is something exclusive to the Mafia lifestyle.
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Exactly. It comes to show that MC really cares about Luna.
His anger towards Luna when she tells him to drop it is not because of any pride or arrogance, it's because he cares for Luna, but she's just trying to carry all that pain and burden by herself and trying to get him to forget about everything by telling him not to get involved.
It's basically empathy, as you said MC giving a shit about others.
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If you ever come across someone who's traumatised, you insisting to them to let you in will quite possibly make them either irritated or pull back even further. You can't just hit everything on the head with a hammer. If you want to be close to be someone who suffers from it, you just have to be kind and understanding to them. Help them if they ask and if you can. Basically just be there for them without being overbearing. And eventually they should let you in. But if they don't, don't get angry with them. Remember it's their choice.
The thing is Cordia fucked Luna over when she let him into the Mafia world. Luna was fucked up and her solution to it was letting her get fucked up even more. What Luna needs is a fuck ton of therapy. Which I reckon she never got. So if the MC wants to help her, he should start by recommending therapy to her.
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So, 10 month since the last update and the one coming is pure gameplay + bit of plot?
*sigh*
Why even bother
*sigh*
Why even bother
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Yeah, why even bother with gameplay in a *checks notes* game?
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Hey, don't Bogart my schtick!
Because this is a porn game, no gameplay needed, just fucking........
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I can see that point of view, however I would put forward that something lacking from games is fucking, and not gameplay. Personally, I would like to see all games lose the puritan viewpoint of sex is bad and we pretend we don't all do it. Then produce adult content where appropriate with choices to turn on or off that content. Like the outcry over hot coffee back in the day, such faked outrage while looking sideways at the person next to you to make sure you're doing the outrage right. So much is trying to change these days, I think these developers putting in effort to give you an entire well rounded experience is great.
So a game with gameplay that includes fucking, therefore making an actual "game", is a great thing in my personal opinion.
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I think the Pussy was just kitten' around and this was ironic. (The "Hot Coffee" story by the way is quite complicated.)
Apart from that I'd agree, if games (where it is appropriate, but RPGs, especially with "love interests" come to mind) were more open, that'd be nice. Thinking about the "side butt scandal" from Mass Effect 1 I think however, we're still quite removed from that. However, the more explicit scenes (still not porn) in Mass Effect Andromeda make it seem like it will maybe slowly change, since apparently nobody bothered anymore.
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If only people would learn to use the search function they would know that the dev announced his own death almost 600 pages ago on post https://f95zone.to/threads/the-deluca-family-v0-06-6-hopesgaming.15459/post-1691400.
Maybe then we could get back to trying to remember who Joey was, making unreasonable demands for having Wilfred ride into battle on a Dragon while wearing his blue dress and dropping Floaty onto hoards of enemies as he is obviously an indestructible weapon of mass destruction. and wondering if Luna has a Gun Gun to go with her Knife Knife.
BTW, has anyone else tried to use explosives to paint a room? It really doesn't do a good job.
Maybe then we could get back to trying to remember who Joey was, making unreasonable demands for having Wilfred ride into battle on a Dragon while wearing his blue dress and dropping Floaty onto hoards of enemies as he is obviously an indestructible weapon of mass destruction. and wondering if Luna has a Gun Gun to go with her Knife Knife.
BTW, has anyone else tried to use explosives to paint a room? It really doesn't do a good job.
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Joey, Joey, hmmm, ..., - Taxi driver who died in this brutal car crash when suddenly a floating stone was thrown by a blue clad dragonrider? Poor Joey, he was a good guy.
- Taxi driver who died in this brutal car crash when suddenly a floating stone was thrown by a blue clad dragonrider? Poor Joey, he was a good guy.
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I will never make light of the trauma that Luna suffered, but she did come a long way in terms of her state since how she was when she was first released from the Mysterious 6. If MC had met her at that time (where extremes of her behavior included killing everything in sight, being even more isolated than now, with only Gracie), then I would be against MC's behavior.
But current situation is different from back then. Luna, even bearing the scars of trauma, is more calmer, and a lot less fragile especially compared to when she was a child. Also, to add I believe there's different forms of being kind. Being understanding and doing what she wants (leave the case of Myserious 6 alone, and let her to deal with it all herself) I feel is only being kind on the surface level.
MC did an outburst, sure. But Luna is not angry or mad with him because she understands the "intent" (lol I'm starting to sound like Gracie) behind his anger. His anger really isn't directed towards Luna, but towards the Mysterious 6, who put her through all the suffering. She understands his rage (and Gracie basically clarifies it in their conversation straight afterwards), and that is why we don't see her angry like she was when she founds out MC asked Wilfred about the Mysterious 6.
And just like you said it's Luna choice whether to let MC in or not, it's MC's choice to help Luna or not despite her saying No. And yes that is selfish from an angle, but even that, Gracie explains to Luna afterwards saying "kind Hope is selfish Hope" (or something along those lines, can't remember the exact words).
Plus, MC's actions basically lit the fuse on Gracie as well, who actively declares she will help her sister as well (my guess is, until then she was just being the observer, and left Luna to her devices (though I guess there was not much even Gracie could do, since she didn't start to actively join the missions until MC entered the fray).
I don't think it's as simple as pointing the finger at Cordia tbh. We didn't get any of Cordia's events yet so we don't know full extent of her intent, plans for the MC, and the previous event did show Wilfred saying intent of Cordia (and Wilfred) is for MC to solve these issues for the girls.
Besides, if there is one thing that Luna could fault Cordia for, that's for being born in a Mafia Family, but I think things are a lot more complicated than that (with Cordia herself's past etc).
Game doesn't state whether Luna got therapy or not, so not much I can comment here.
Though if MC can tries telling Luna to go see a therapist, I'd imagine the first thing he might receive is a punch in the face.
"There was literally no gameplay whatsoever, and everyone was fine with that since the game started."
That's not correct. I love the game, but gameplay with the Contracts was one of the few weak parts of the game. And a lot of people are glad that is getting an overhaul and looking forward to it.
With this update we're getting:
- Eiza's sister rescue mission (this alone is actually amount of a normal update I'm guessing)
- Wilfred's contracts complete overhaul with new Contracts & gameplay (and these Contracts themselves have their own stories, so they're like mini-events)
- Renders of opening scenes and the breakfast with the Family scene were redone.
- Some of GUI is getting a bit of update.
Sure, this update took longer than usual, but I'm not complaining with the above content (and I doubt other than the very small minority, there would be other complaining either).
My guess is, you've never played games like "Summer's Gone" and "Where it All Began", fantastic games, even though waits have have been for a long time (even longer than this game's current update).
You're gonna end up missing out on a lot of good games with your kind of mindset.