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No Joshy... no it doesn't.
And maybe you should actually read what is being discussed? No one is arguing or discussing whether we/they like this VN...the main discussion is about what constitutes NTR and what constitutes a loving relationship.
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You are not molested, doing it willingly. I bet many "me too" hoes would want it to be considered as a straight-up rape card when she just jumps in a "molester's" car on her own.
It is centered around a certain type of NTR when a couple or just a husband can enjoy it and still love each other. Please gain some more culture in NTR genre before making such bold claims.
And here is some source material
https://f95zone.to/threads/complete-netorase-sharing-games-master-list.90458/
Don't get me wrong, you are writing like you've braved past a lot of generic NTR games, so I think you would enjoy this list in your own way.
Your own insecurities aren't a model for a loving relationship or a good plot. It is often the other way, the author needs to keep the suspense in the story to be exciting. Like in any more creative works, the villain characters are very vital to the story. The most famous works are these which also spark a lot of controversy and are breaking certain taboos.
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I'll just say this, while yes this game is ridiclous in nature, full of cliches thus far, evil psychotic boss, creepy old guys, predatory woman trying to seduce you, etc... one thing still remains true, depending on your choices, the relationship very much IS a loving one. I've read the first two releases from start to finish, and with my choices there has been NO lying, NO deceit, or NOTHING to suggest that the two main characters are in anything but a loving relationship.
Like I mentioned above, yes Kathryn is naive, but even in the park scene, she thought of her boyfriend and called him, didn't lie and told him about the kiss (peck on the lips), and that the guy suggested to do more. Even then by the way, she has dialogue where she thinks to herself that her boyfriend will say no and she can get out of this, so she didn't even actually wanna go further, until the boyfriend tells her to go ahead with it. She even says that she doesn't wanna rush into things with this fetish of his.
So yeah, I'm confused how assuming you don't make choices to push it into being an un-loving, deceitful relationship, how anyone is saying it isn't one.
I guess unless you go out to romantic dinners all the time, look up at the stars together in the park, and have a vanilla ass sex life, then you don't love your partner I guess? I don't fucking know. Nothing wrong with being in a old fashioned or conservative relationship by the way, I'm just trying to wrap my head around people trying to gatekeep what love entails.
*edit* The molesting shit only happens if you choose to let your GIRLFRIEND do something naughty with a HOMELESS FLASHER. Like, yeah no offense to my pal Joshy, but if you're letting your girlfriend anywhere near some creep who literally flashes his junk at you from an alleyway with no regard for anyone who could walk by and see it. Yeah that's an example of a choice that YOU as a player make, that isn't very loving in my opinion, probably why that is the one option that leads to the MC and his friend doing things to Kathryn backstory.
Like I mentioned above, yes Kathryn is naive, but even in the park scene, she thought of her boyfriend and called him, didn't lie and told him about the kiss (peck on the lips), and that the guy suggested to do more. Even then by the way, she has dialogue where she thinks to herself that her boyfriend will say no and she can get out of this, so she didn't even actually wanna go further, until the boyfriend tells her to go ahead with it. She even says that she doesn't wanna rush into things with this fetish of his.
So yeah, I'm confused how assuming you don't make choices to push it into being an un-loving, deceitful relationship, how anyone is saying it isn't one.
I guess unless you go out to romantic dinners all the time, look up at the stars together in the park, and have a vanilla ass sex life, then you don't love your partner I guess? I don't fucking know. Nothing wrong with being in a old fashioned or conservative relationship by the way, I'm just trying to wrap my head around people trying to gatekeep what love entails.
*edit* The molesting shit only happens if you choose to let your GIRLFRIEND do something naughty with a HOMELESS FLASHER. Like, yeah no offense to my pal Joshy, but if you're letting your girlfriend anywhere near some creep who literally flashes his junk at you from an alleyway with no regard for anyone who could walk by and see it. Yeah that's an example of a choice that YOU as a player make, that isn't very loving in my opinion, probably why that is the one option that leads to the MC and his friend doing things to Kathryn backstory.
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As usual I have run out of reactions.
Anyway, I agree with you dude the couple do love each other.
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All based on my main save where trying to avoid drama/NTR wherever possible:
Does...or does Luke not...tell his girlfriend...upon getting home...that he has been effictively fired....? Yes or no? Sure, he tells her a couple of days later(?)...when he thinks he should.
Now, this may be a case of idiot 20 somethings old and me being over 50 (even though I was never that stupid at their age but whatever)....but it's not like there was a small 'incident' at work...something or nothing...what happened could have literally destryoyed their lives (probably still will as ot6herwise be there no plot lol). To me, that is the kind of shit..in a loving relationship...you fucking tell your partner ASAP...because it effects them...just as much as it does you. Not the day after...or 2 days later...because trust...and absolute honesty...are a must in a 'loving' relationship. Again, that might just be me and I'm out of touch with what teens and 20 year olds think a relationship could be like..so I'll put my hands up to that one.
If my gf/whoever...ever started chatting to guys...then kissed one of them...with no knowledge from myself....no agreement, no prior arrangement....she would be out. Now again, I'll consider myself strict...and again maybe out of touch with how the kids act these days...but there's a line...and those lines are not crossed in a 'loving relationsip'....not in my book anyway...unless it's all been agreed upon prior.
Even with the interviews Katherine conducts...you pick don't take bra off....something still happens...and then what? That's right...she goes full flow with it anyway....not something I would ever be happy about with any partner of mine (unless that shit was all A-Ok in our relationship..I have had one like that btw). if the MC had not called her...would she have told him? Hmm...I do wonder. You say Katherine is naive (and yes she is)...but she is not so damn sheltered and stupid to not realise or understand...in a loving relationship, you do not just go around flirting and kissing random guys (or fuck it..even ones you know lol) and/or prance around your room with nothing but a bra in front of guys. If anything, I would say the MC is more naive (or just plain idiotic) than Katherine is. Example is the pics at the graffiti wall. Any fucking sane person would high-tail it out of there asap...not invite 2 numb fuckwits to take pics with her (and this is on the no NTR, trying to be as faithful and nice to each other as possible) because if nothing else, most sane people (who actually fucking love their gf) would instantly think about being jumped and god knows what might happen to her). And the 'dangers' of the city is brought up a few times...but what do our hero's do...yup...keep putting themslves in more dumb situations where anything could happen (and honestly, in this VN..I hope it does lmao).
Purposefully written for cliche and lulz...or just what modern youngsters are like these days? *shrugs*....that is an aside to the point though. Again, maybe I'm just old and jaded at this point and have zero tolerance now for bullshit or any misunderstanding in a relationship.
That's fair.
For me it was your tonal proximity to many disengenuious arguments I've heard before from either the hard-ntr or anti-ntr crowd. And for grouping you in with that I apologize, I agree no one who loves their gf would let them be molested by a friend, nor would you kiss strangers if you loved your partner. Thankfully as you've mentioned, the dev seems to be changing tack slightly and updating dialogue as he goes.
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I agree with you about the MC being naive at times too, most likely for plot purposes as well, that alleyway scene being a good example for sure. Yeah the game is quite ridiculous, but the point about him waiting a bit until he told her about him being "fired", well he wasn't 100% sure if he was actually fired or not, so it's really not that big of a deal that he didn't feel the need to instantly make her worry about it.
As far as the park scene, I feel like while yes, it wouldn't sit well with me IRL for sure. If she told me about it right away and with the context of it, I would have told her to just not do that anymore and would have gotten over it. I'm not some tight ass who would get super mad over something so small as long as my partner told me about it, and it wasn't anything innately sexual. In a game, it bothers me even less, because I know it was just a way to show Kathryn's naivete. I personally would have preferred a different avenue for showing that, but it is what it is. (Hell could have made her call even before that, and had her clearly showing that she believes the random joggers story, and then ask the MC for his opinion about it)
At the end of the day, they both clearly show that they care for one another, not always in the most responsible or reasonable ways, however with my choices so far, they have been open and honest with each other, regardless of how immediate, and as the dialogue reflects consider the others feelings when it comes to certain situations.
We can agree to disagree, but there's no point in going back and forth any longer, I'm just going to stop here as I feel I've said all I need to say on the matter.
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Every topic about ntr ends in the same discussion, can't you people just agree to disagree?
And maybe you should actually read what is being discussed? No one is arguing or discussing whether we/they like this VN...the main discussion is about what constitutes NTR and what constitutes a loving relationship.
Swallowing up every game thread which contains ntr or something that looks like it.
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Come on guys, games like this are beautiful because we can take an MC's woman and transform her into a slut, and MC into a big cuckold, more beautiful than that
Agree on
The games I play I do really enjoy as porn games. Even if they unrealistic.
On the otherhand most porn movies are also dumb und unrealistic.
Maybe it's porn in general. It's fake and won't happen in real life, still people enjoy this stuff.
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I wasn't even arguing about anything NTR, rather the nature of the MC and Kathryn's relationship. The park scene was 100% Light-NTR, I would have preferred it to be optional, but it was light in nature and a one off thing thus far, so I looked past it. (I get the point of the scene, it shows Kathryn's naivete and is another potential chance to get on the sharing path)Every topic about ntr ends in the same discussion, can't you people just agree to disagree?
Swallowing up every game thread which contains ntr or something that looks like it.
The park scene and the MC's boss in general, are the only two things I'm not the biggest fan of so far in the game. As long as we keep getting the option to not do the bosses bidding, and even hopefully eventually rid of him, then I don't mind tolerating him for now.
I never understand this discussion and never get involved in it. Because it's nuts,Every topic about ntr ends in the same discussion, can't you people just agree to disagree?
Swallowing up every game thread which contains ntr or something that looks like it.
I never accept this word it's self "NTR"
It came from the Asian culture what I know.
We in western have other words for this.
"cheating" " fucking up relationships" and so on.
This word should be banned from this page forever
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whatever you call it, it's important to create slutty girls or wives and slave MCs, they're the beauty of these games, romance is useless, it's dead, hahahah, come on NV's wives, all sluts
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I just want Kathryn's belly to swell with another mans child.
I would be a great dad imo.
And Kathryn is going to be a great mum someday.
I would be a great dad imo.
And Kathryn is going to be a great mum someday.
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I think that sentence sums it up perfectly.
No one is arguing about NTR...I have no issue with myself either like everyone else 'here'.., as is evedient by your post, you're still not actually reading...or if you are, it's not sinking in.Every topic about ntr ends in the same discussion, can't you people just agree to disagree?
Swallowing up every game thread which contains ntr or something that looks like it.
Exactly. My issue is with the idiocy and some forced actions regardless of what you want and the argument of whether these things wpould happen in a loving relationship. I play some ridiculous plot VN's...but they know they are ridiculous...this one tries to be somewhat serious and grounded in realism...but...
In a game like this (with a FMC)...I completely agree
...Ohhhh Josh...never change my man!
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I have to disagree about romance being useless
If there is no romance & love between the couple
Then sharing just isn't hot imo.
If there is no romance & love between the couple
Then sharing just isn't hot imo.
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Well, actors can kiss on a scene, yet it isn't considered an adultery. Here it is a similar case. It was the lightest kiss which could be seen from that camera angle without making it improper. They said it beforehand, it was just acting. So from the moral standpoint, the intent behind the action is crucial to properly judge this case.
She called the MC on her own accord. Are you getting blind, old man?
You are writing dots with such generosity because you are uncertain of your thoughts? Soo fkn annoying.
Nudist beaches aren't that old, certainly some people and even married couples enjoyed some skin exhibition in your era.
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You're seriously comparing actors...paid for acting....to a normal person...doing something they know they shouldn't? really? Really?....Ugghh..whatever...
Uggghh...yes...I'm fucking blind...
I'll call my boyfriend after...I've already gone too far because I'm soooooo in love with my bf....
The fuck do nudists beaches have to do with anything?
Done with this shit. Where's my list...