Oh my God "over 95% are doing this full time." Where are you getting this from? You seem to be the one making stuff up. They are all making thousands with no incentive? Really?! A few lost subs is the only consequence? You don't know what you are talking about. Most of the devs I know are doing it part time because they can't make enough to do it full time. This constant bullshit story from the cognitive dissonance crowd is ridiculous. You don't pay for games and yet feel the devs are trying to take advantage of YOU. This helps you feel less guilty. I am playing lots of games for free and supporting some devs some of the time. I feel guilty that I'm not supporting more, but at least I have the self-knowledge and balls to accept that I'm the one stealing from them.
Right and your not making up that you know a bunch of devs and all of them are doing it part time? You have your "truth" and other people have theirs. I am suggesting that people stop giving money to devs that are doing next to nothing with it. I don't really care why I care that they are making ANY money basically swindling money out of people. Now you can agree with devs who say things like "oh family issues" over and over and over again to excuse very late releases when it was the dev that said when they would put out the release or to excuse content quality going way down for the same sorts of excuses.
The devs I think are legit are the ones who are doing their games because they enjoy doing them, not for money but for themselves and you can really tell the ones that are doing it because they want to. The have solid good quality releases, they rarely make excuses and they don't take forever.
There was one dev (won't say who) that LITERALLY said their game didn't make enough and they were shutting it down. So all those people who donated got screwed. Now I appreciate the dev didn't just shut down without a reason but I think that dev was saying out loud what other devs are just doing. Just check how many abandoned games are out there, how many people donated at one point to those games only to get screwed.
I have supported devs financially in past because I liked their project and wanted it to continue but every game I supported was abandoned so I don't do it anymore until the project is finished I have played it and liked it.
You go kiss more dev asses with your defense of them but I don't make a bunch of generalized vague arguments about why I don't support just blindly giving devs money when they have shown time and time again that they don't use it for the game.
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The second a dev stands up for themselves, the blatant lies and toxicity emerge like crazy.
So much seething in this thread just means the dev may do what Indecent Wife Hana dev did;
Stop engaging with anyone except direct supporters.
You all alienate the good devs and then wonder why devs don't listen to you.
There was no point in time that Bobbyboy disappeared 7 months. That is nuts.
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man this thread is starting to be toxic , was only every once in awhile.
I'm not making anything up, but yeah, you'll believe what you want. And the unjustified anger at the devs you are stealing from comes from sexual frustration. I see more anger in this forum from players who don't get updates as fast as they'd like, or don't get the kink they want, than I see anywhere else on the internet. It's sexual frustration - it is more emotional than other kinds of disappointment.
All the abandoned games are the evidence that most developers don't make enough money to keep going. Certainly evidence against the idea that most are making thousands, and just sitting back and laughing at all the suckers supporting them, without any motivation or incentive to do the work, as you and so many others like to believe. And sure, some make games for their own pleasure, but these games cost a lot of money to make. Even if you love doing it, you can't produce a high quality game unless you are either already quite wealthy, or are making money from it. I make games, and I wish I could do it full time, but I can't afford to. So yeah, I'm kissing my own ass when I defend the devs. But what I'm really doing is defending truth. I just find the level of self-delusion around who is taking advantage of who disgusting, and I have to speak out against it - it's my nature.
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Hey everyone,
I wanted to take a moment to address the situation regarding piracy and explain where I’m coming from. I know this site has been instrumental in the success of my project on Patreon, and I’m incredibly grateful for that. Many of my supporters discovered my work through this thread, and I deeply appreciate it.
My goal with early releases was simply to reward my loyal subscribers while also covering some of the development costs through the extra income it provided. Unfortunately, with the recent leaks, that additional support is likely no longer possible. I understand the concerns that some fans have raised, and I want to be clear—I’m not looking to alienate or upset anyone who enjoys my game. Because of the feedback I’ve received, I’ve decided not to move forward with a web version. However, I may still explore this option for iOS users, as they currently don’t have a way to play the game.
I’ve come to terms with the fact that I may not be able to benefit from early releases as I once did. That said, I still want to find a way to reward my most loyal patrons. To address this, I’ll be introducing a "loyalty release" that will come before the regular early access tiers. I’ll be posting more details about this on Patreon soon, outlining the requirements and how it will work. My hope is that this approach will give my most dedicated supporters something special while continuing with the existing three-tier early release system for everyone else.
Lastly, I want to thank everyone who has supported me along the way. I don’t check these forums often because it’s easy to lose track of time, but please know how much I appreciate all of you. I hope you’re all having an amazing weekend!
Bobby
I wanted to take a moment to address the situation regarding piracy and explain where I’m coming from. I know this site has been instrumental in the success of my project on Patreon, and I’m incredibly grateful for that. Many of my supporters discovered my work through this thread, and I deeply appreciate it.
My goal with early releases was simply to reward my loyal subscribers while also covering some of the development costs through the extra income it provided. Unfortunately, with the recent leaks, that additional support is likely no longer possible. I understand the concerns that some fans have raised, and I want to be clear—I’m not looking to alienate or upset anyone who enjoys my game. Because of the feedback I’ve received, I’ve decided not to move forward with a web version. However, I may still explore this option for iOS users, as they currently don’t have a way to play the game.
I’ve come to terms with the fact that I may not be able to benefit from early releases as I once did. That said, I still want to find a way to reward my most loyal patrons. To address this, I’ll be introducing a "loyalty release" that will come before the regular early access tiers. I’ll be posting more details about this on Patreon soon, outlining the requirements and how it will work. My hope is that this approach will give my most dedicated supporters something special while continuing with the existing three-tier early release system for everyone else.
Lastly, I want to thank everyone who has supported me along the way. I don’t check these forums often because it’s easy to lose track of time, but please know how much I appreciate all of you. I hope you’re all having an amazing weekend!
Bobby
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I'm trying to go "innocence path" as much as possible, but this choice seems not working correctly.
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Nope, not bugged just railroaded. Your choices have a limited impact in this game.
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yeah one of the times where you can't stay on the innocence path but I believe this was more due to them being drugged however that isn't explained properly. So it comes across as a choice that made no sense / pointless.
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Who says I don't pay for games? In fact the only VNs I will rant and criticise the most are the ones I pay for. This is how I know about the dev more and talk to other patrons, SS members. When devs can answer messages, comments, make posts and do all kinds of other things at anytime every day, so quickly. Its fairly obvious they are doing this full time. I guess you're one of those naive people who believe everything a dev tells you blindly. You sound like you have no idea how these work. That making a game is so time consuming that you have no time left for anything else. Also when you include the interaction needed for your supporters too. Yes there are some devs that do this part time but that is easy to spot by the game update times themselves and how short they are. If a dev is making a 3d rendered game of higher standard with consistent updates. 95 % of the time they are doing this full time. Thats not hard to understand. BTW you can make a VN for free with all the best assets. It doesn't cost a dime if you know where to get everything from. So no a dev doesn't need to invest anything to get their money back its just profit.
Your first part about the money and incentive make no sense. Where is the motivation and urgency to work to a deadline, where is the consequences if they are late? There isn't any. Thats the problem. So they all end up taking advantage of it.
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First of all, "the only VNs I will rant and criticise the most" makes no sense. Do you mean the only VNs you criticize, or the VNs you criticize the most? But whatever, you can say you support them and I can never know if you truly do or not. I'm not going to pretend I know when I don't.
I write games on the side and work a full time job. I care about my games and I like to see what people are saying about them, so even though I am at my regular job working, I check into my game-related accounts often and engage whenever I feel like it (I don't work at McDonalds, I work at a computer, so looking at my game accounts and responding at my whim isn't hard). So at least for me, answering messages at any time of day does not mean I'm doing it full time. But even so, how many devs are doing as you say? Answering messages, and doing "all kinds of things" at anytime of day? What kinds of things? You said in your first post that 95% of devs are doing it full time. I think that is not true. Are you saying 95% of devs are doing "all kinds of things at anytime of day," proving they are doing it full time? Are you saying that you keep track of all kings of things 95% of developers do, so that you can confidently say from your surveillance that they are doing it full time? Does that still seem like a good argument to you?
I'm not naïve. And sometimes I read a devs post about their computer dying, or a health issue, or some disaster, and I don't believe it. I will never know if it is true or not, but so many devs post these kinds of sob stories so often that you can't believe them all. So no, I don't usually believe it, but I forgive it because I know that it's hard to get up the motivation to get home from your real job and then put in time on your side job that is not yet making you enough money to make the effort worth it. You want to do it with the hope it will eventually make enough to be worth it, but without a guarantee, it's hard. So maybe you have like 100 patreons and are making 500 a month, but working 50 extra hours a month on top of your regular 120-hour a month job. That's 10 bucks an hour, and that is shit for the level of effort you are putting in. Then you login to F95zone to see if there has been some positive comments that will help you be optimistic that your work will eventually pay off, but it's just a bunch of sexually-frustrated trolls pissing all over your work. So that doesn't really help your motivation either. So you don't get as much work done as you like, and the end of the month comes and you worry that your subscribers are going to do down instead of up (which is absolutely a major consequence, and it's ridiculous to assert otherwise). So you make a last ditch effort to prevent that from happening by posting an excuse. Yeah, it's just an excuse, but isn't it understandable? And shouldn't we understand that their lack of motivation is partly our fault, for not paying them, and for constantly bitching about them and criticizing their work? You say I "sound" like I have no idea how these work. You are wrong. I know exactly how they work. You are fooling yourself due to a simple psychological phenomenon called cognitive dissonance. Weak-minded people are particularly susceptible to it. I am not.
Lastly: "BTW you can make a VN for free with all the best assets. It doesn't cost a dime if you know where to get everything from" I wrote "high quality game", not just any VN. The kind of game that doesn't get torn to shreds in these forums for using the same models, locations and clothing that appear so often in other VNs... Haven't you read that criticism here dozens of times? I have. But if you think you can do it, please do. Prove me wrong, and I'll subscribe to your game for 10 bucks a month for the next 10 years. I mean, if you "know how these work" and there is so much easy money to be made, why not go for it?
Can't you write to each other privately? It's becoming a personal battle
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Bobbyboy is giving 80+ of their "most loyal" Patrons access to the game even earlier than now.
Technically, this means that a select few 5$ Patrons could be eligible for this.
I wonder if this will backfire horribly, and result in the updates leaking even earlier
Technically, this means that a select few 5$ Patrons could be eligible for this.
I wonder if this will backfire horribly, and result in the updates leaking even earlier
Exciting News for Loyal Patrons!
4 hours ago
Hey everyone,
Starting with Chapter 7 of The East Block, I’m introducing a new loyalty reward to show my gratitude to those of you who’ve demonstrated exceptional dedication and generosity to this project. This reward also serves as a way to protect The East Block from piracy and leaks, which have unfortunately been an issue in the past.
Why this reward?
In the past, some individuals have signed up briefly, downloaded the game, and then unsubscribed, only to leak it online. This behavior not only undermines the hard work I’ve put into the project but also negatively impacts the experience for genuine supporters. By rewarding loyal patrons, I’m creating a more secure and trustworthy community while ensuring fairness for everyone.
Here’s how it works:
Patrons who qualify for this reward will receive a one-week advance preview of every new chapter before the standard early release schedule begins for everyone else.
How to Qualify:
To be eligible for the loyalty release, you must meet the following criteria:
- Active membership at any tier for at least six months (these months don’t need to be consecutive).
- A total pledge of at least $100 USD since the start of the project.
Important Notes:
- If you don’t qualify for the loyalty release, don’t worry, you won’t be playing the game any later than usual.
- This reward simply shortens my normal pre-release testing process by one week, allowing me to dedicate that time to the loyalty preview.
Thank you all for making this possible!
Bobby