Captain Kitty

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We're not talking about just kissing her though, I did that. The things you have to do are spooning up to her in bed and stripping her clothes off. How are those things not molesting her? I'm pretty sure if you do either to most girls they'll think you're going to rape them.

Considering that all Suzie does differently in this case is talking to you about work when she is already sat right next to you, it really shouldn't take much for her to do that. My suggestion would be to switch to a point based system (the points don't have to be visible to the player, although that is clearer), that would let you set different thresholds for different things.

There's also the matter of Emily; the reason I didn't molest Suzie (apart from it seeming far too fast) was that you said before how if you want both girls you need to be careful. I figured that going after Suzie without Emily on board would result in the NTR route for Emily. Are players supposed to need the walkthrough? Because if the logical choices are the wrong ones, they will.
I admit our game may not be realistic as everyone expects.
But nothing is perfect.
Even point system is unrealistic.
In real life, there is no such thing as 'point system'.
There is no such thing as when you reach enough points with a girl and a scene appears.
We use 'if you do this, then it will happen' system in our game.

As I say many times.
This is the last comment of us in this topic.
People in this topic see our games as ridiculous, unrealistic, stupid,...
There is no reason for us to be here.
 

Captain Kitty

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Any chance you could re-upload the walkthrough? The mega link came up as deleted.
The mega link isn't deleted.
I changed the link after seeing most people in this topic don't like our game.
Who wants the walkthrough, please sign up an account on patreon and go to our page and post a comment to ask for the walkthrough.
When I see many people want this, I will publish the walkthrough.
You don't cost money when register an account on Patreon and comment on our patreon page.
So don't worry.
 

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This is the official walkthrough for version 0.3.1.

Before today, only Tier 3 ($10/month) can download our walkthrough and it won't be given for free to the public.

But after the reason we discussed above, we change to this:

From now on, you can download our walkthrough for just $1 on .

Or you can wait some weeks to download for free on .

If you want something, just create a free account on Patreon and comment in our topics on our page.

We won't come to F95 anymore.

Thank you for supporting us.

Goodbye.
 

neodtst

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Good renders man I gave a good review , hopefully it doesn't get deleted.
I really like consequential games as it reminds me of those Japanese vintage mystery/adventure adults game I played when I was younger. And I wanna say don't worry about ppl who scream this scenes and that scenes don't make sense. Documentary Porn?

Frankly its not an realism issue , they just don't like the genre.
When it come to their cherished genre like incest , the husband-unsatisfied Mom will always find the son for relief first , the sisters will either strip or perform sexual acts for some cash , or when they lose in video games. Yeah right. The same ppl who think Suzie should have a 9th dan karate black belt , go to the police or inform #metoo to take down Brie suddenly have no complains. (Don't get me wrong I love non-sensical scenarios but I ain't no dbl standard)

But I do think the developers should really remove the "you miss these scenes" at the end.
When it come to anti NTR , there practically 2 types , the closet NTR lovers and the real anti-NTR.

you can't do much about closet NTR lovers (yes they strangely do exist) , they got 4 blatant chances to avoid , Stop Suzie from going to Brie house -> another 3 more chances to stop Brie or do nothing and watch. And guess what they choose. Don't even get me started on MGA. The dental NTR scene need all ntr selections from start to end in all version release and a few even non related NTR choices option to make that scene even harder that alot of ppl need help getting it and still...
When you see someone bursting into a blind rage cursing the developers saying he "forced" into an NTR scene when its clearly avoidable and have many failsafe selections, you can pretty be sure he's a closet NTR lover.

But there's those that truely loathe NTR(not really true NTR but any extra MC males) appearing in their game and they take extra care in following the love route and meticulously avoiding any NTR scenes. This is serious business man,, I literally LOL when I see the game pop the you have miss this "Brie doing Suzie from behind" scene after the love route finished. Its like someone playing electric loop game and got faultily buzzed in the end. You really shoudn't be doing that =D
 

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I literally LOL when I see the game pop the you have miss this "Brie doing Suzie from behind" scene after the love route finished. Its like someone playing electric loop game and got faultily buzzed in the end. You really shoudn't be doing that =D
I intended to stop commenting but your comment is so valuable.
When I did the 'did you miss?' I intended to remind NTR-lover.
But I put that in all routes.
This is stupid like you say.
Next time we will have the remind scene but only for suitable routes.
 
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I intended to stop commenting but your comment is so valuable.
When I did the 'did you miss?' I intended to remind NTR-lover.
But I put that in all routes.
This is stupid like you say.
Next time we will have the remind scene but only for suitable routes.
Here is a lot of people who enjoyed this game. Simply we have no reasons write on forum-we are playing.))
 
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LWtbo

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ok i can't let this slide @neodtst.
although and i hope Captain Kitty will back me up on this when it comes to this game I have not had anything bad to say about It.
infact i have tried to be helpful when ever possible like giving info on which versions to download for NTR or None NTR to try and stop some of the moaning this games been getting. or sometimes trying to explain when missunderstanding happen to again stop moaning about this game and it's content. ok the characters have issue but then so do most game characters.
take most Incest games which i like btw most are prone to either morronic, wimpy, stupid, dipshit dickheads and horsdicked MC's and quite often than not MC's afflicted with more than one of them traits.
but that said your statement offends me,
2 types indeed please enlighten me as to which of these two types you class me then???.
i have made no secret of the fact that i am not an NTR fan, so do's that make me a closet NTR "hmm" don't think so since I have never denied and have said so in the past that I will read it and play NTR, I just prefer to avoid it when possible.
so do's that make me anti NTR ???. "hmm" again i'm fairly sure thats a no since as mentioned I will read it and play it even if most the time the reasoning for the NTR scenes often make no sense.
so please don't keep me in suspence which of these (only two types) do I fall into if you would be so kind i'd like to know???.
 

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i like any fantastical porn and have no issue with them. I had seen some posts where the creator apologising for not creating realistic scenarios and decide to comment on it.

I just think its not good to have dbl standards on different genres. You know like some ppl like be Dr Science in human behavior for eg in Suzie case- "Most women IRL doesn't act like that , they are strong should be able to defend herself like a karate expert or report to management or seek women rights grp help" . But suddenly when it come to their genre they love , they become Dr Fun , every thing is possible , Mom like to have sex with son , sister strip because they lost video game... "hey everything is possible in a forbidden fantasy genre. Don't have a close mind" I like fantasy scenarios, don't get me wrong , straight foward porn are dull , I just think its not nice to have dbl standards.

i think you have mistaken my point regarding closet NTR lovers, I have nothing against them. In fact does it really matter if you are anti NTR , NTR lover , closet NTR , or an anti NTR who have a tolerance to NTR? Everybody should respect each other preferences right? But my pt ain't that ..
Gameplay spoiler with NTR content
Bear with me , since alot of anti NTR guys probably won't go this route so they won't know what I meant by closet NTR lover
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What's uncool is after this , some closet NTR lovers will curse and berate the developers for making them watch the NTR scenes. That is quite strange and not right IMO. Yes these do happened alot.
 

Master of Puppets

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What's uncool is after this , some closet NTR lovers will curse and berate the developers for making them watch the NTR scenes. That is quite strange and not right IMO. Yes these do happened alot.
Who on this thread has done anything like that?
 

J33T

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There are 2 things make me don't want to engage here anymore:
First: all good reviews were deleted, only bad reviews left.
Second: I don't like the ways many people comment here. Only some comments I wanna answer. So I stop reading comments on this page.
Hi, I would like to point out few things that maybe will make you understand why people tend to be negative in this thread.
I've been keeping an eye on this thread for ~1 month but not really for the game itself.

You try way too hard to fish for patreons.
And don't get me wrong, whoever spends time on a project ultimately does it for money, wheter it's a porn game or anything else, there is nothing wrong with it. But honestly you are taking everything to the next level.
1/3 of the total messages in these 28 pages of discussion are from you, which makes comments like "I don't have much time now ; I am too busy these days so I can't follow this topic. " quite hilarious (in a bad way though).

If good reviews got deleted there must be a reason, don't you think?
How many other accounts have you (or someone for you) created to post fake reviews? One of them is still up.
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-engagement-v0-3-1-ntr-adult-games.25201/br-reviews#review-16035
There is also this account https://f95zone.to/members/ben-smith541.623873/ which was registered almost 1 year ago but only has posts/likes in this thread. And look at their ID's, Kevin Ash and Ben Smith, LOL.

The problems with the game itself have already been pointed out the in the review section, in the reviews written by REAL users.

I don't really want to dwell on this so this is my conclusion:
I find your behavior to be very shady and childish to say the least. That's why I'll stop following this thread.
But anyway you still have people on here that like the game and also most of your patreons come from here so you really shouldn't stop interacting with them.
Good luck with your game. You'll need it.

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Hi, I would like to point out few things that maybe will make you understand why people tend to be negative in this thread.
I've been keeping an eye on this thread for ~1 month but not really for the game itself.

You try way too hard to fish for patreons.
And don't get me wrong, whoever spends time on a project ultimately does it for money, wheter it's a porn game or anything else, there is nothing wrong with it. But honestly you are taking everything to the next level.
1/3 of the total messages in these 28 pages of discussion are from you, which makes comments like "I don't have much time now ; I am too busy these days so I can't follow this topic. " quite hilarious (in a bad way though).

If good reviews got deleted there must be a reason, don't you think?
How many other accounts have you (or someone for you) created to post fake reviews? One of them is still up.
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-engagement-v0-3-1-ntr-adult-games.25201/br-reviews#review-16035
There is also this account https://f95zone.to/members/ben-smith541.623873/ which was registered almost 1 year ago but only has posts/likes in this thread. And look at their ID's, Kevin Ash and Ben Smith, LOL.

The problems with the game itself have already been pointed out the in the review section, in the reviews written by REAL users.

I don't really want to dwell on this so this is my conclusion:
I find your behavior to be very shady and childish to say the least. That's why I'll stop following this thread.
But anyway you still have people on here that like the game and also most of your patreons come from here so you really shouldn't stop interacting with them.
Good luck with your game. You'll need it.

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LOL
Are you Conan or Kogoro Mouri?
Do you know how many of our patrons registered the accounts from 2016, 2017 but currently only support us?
Only 小人 (don't know how to translate it to English) like you think I must register another account to post review for us.

Are you my mother that you know I'm busy or not? :ROFLMAO:

83% of our patrons did come from F95. But they came to us after they played the game, not because of my interaction or reviews from others. 71 patrons after 2 months is not a high number but not low. Thank you for your advice but I only answer here when I like. This is not my duty to interact here or not.

The last thing: You hate rainbow? I don't care. :love:
 

Captain Kitty

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Hi, I would like to point out few things that maybe will make you understand why people tend to be negative in this thread.
I've been keeping an eye on this thread for ~1 month but not really for the game itself.

You try way too hard to fish for patreons.
And don't get me wrong, whoever spends time on a project ultimately does it for money, wheter it's a porn game or anything else, there is nothing wrong with it. But honestly you are taking everything to the next level.
1/3 of the total messages in these 28 pages of discussion are from you, which makes comments like "I don't have much time now ; I am too busy these days so I can't follow this topic. " quite hilarious (in a bad way though).

If good reviews got deleted there must be a reason, don't you think?
How many other accounts have you (or someone for you) created to post fake reviews? One of them is still up.
https://f95zone.to/threads/the-engagement-v0-3-1-ntr-adult-games.25201/br-reviews#review-16035
There is also this account https://f95zone.to/members/ben-smith541.623873/ which was registered almost 1 year ago but only has posts/likes in this thread. And look at their ID's, Kevin Ash and Ben Smith, LOL.

The problems with the game itself have already been pointed out the in the review section, in the reviews written by REAL users.

I don't really want to dwell on this so this is my conclusion:
I find your behavior to be very shady and childish to say the least. That's why I'll stop following this thread.
But anyway you still have people on here that like the game and also most of your patreons come from here so you really shouldn't stop interacting with them.
Good luck with your game. You'll need it.

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About the reviews, I remember all first 4 reviews were 5* but all were deleted. One of them was from BeastMaster. He is still our patron now.

First 3 reviews (from the demo version) were deleted after the update to version 1.0. At that time I thought each update would erase all previous reviews (LOL) so I didn't care.

To my surprise, the 4th review were deleted some days later. Oh man. I was amazed. A good guy explained they were deleted by a moderator or the ones who wrote the review deleted them. It's fine then.

After that, all reviews were bad. I did feel irratated. But the reason didn't come from that. The true reason why I started to decide not to answer here was: people who didn't support us were acting like our bosses. Why must I stop making NTR games?

You think our patrons support us because of your reviews? You're so naive. People are smart enough to play before deciding to use their own money to donate. Not all but most of our patrons are NTR-lovers. They decide to play the game maybe right after they see our name. After playing, they will decide to support us or not.

Do you know that the only one who is supporting us $20 came from another game forum? Then why do I only come here? Because in the past, I did come here to play games for FREE. So I thought F95 could be something like a 'home stadium' in football. But it turned out I was wrong. So I decided I should stop wasting my time here. I think you all know Pareto principle. And I think if I continue to answer here, it will be a waste of time. I used 80% of my time to answer you here only brought 20% of good result.

Yes, as Pareto principle, 80% of our patrons did come from game forums (most of them are from F95). But I don't need to interact here. Because there will be people who will bring the game here. And others will play and decide to support us or not. I don't need to follow your advice.

Don't be so naive to think that people are so stupid to trust others' reviews without playing before supporting. Bad reviews did make people hesitate to play though. But for NTR, most people know that the reviews will hardly be good. I am also a gamer. I know what NTR-lovers like. I like MGA but I don't like LBH. So I know how to write a script that NTR lovers will like.

But I'm human. So sometimes I might be affected by others. Interacting here made me change the story to a vanilla romantic love story for the next version. But I changed the script when our patrons reminded me they came to us because of NTR. This is another reason make me stop wanting to interact here.

I think I should use my time for other worthy things rather than answering to you, rainbow hater. I don't need your good luck charm. Keep it for yourself. People who think they are better at thinking and judging more than others all must remember: never speak what is in the future. Don't think we need luck because it is just only 2 months after we created an account on patreon.

I'm sleepy now and might mistype like version 0.1 with many spelling mistakes. Good night, rainbow hater.
 

Captain Kitty

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I forgot to tell you this: the previous comment was to say: I don't care about the bad reviews. The main reason for our supporters is an NTR plot, not stuff like 'long writings, girls must fight back or more smart...'. To look for them, people will look at other hot games from top developers. How can we (a new game developer) compare to them? Our only competitive advantage is an NTR story. We focus on people who seek for NTR games like us. All other 80% can only bring 20% result. But NTR (20%) can bring the rest 80%.

I appreciate good intention reviews like many people did. But for comments like rainbow hater just did (sorry I'm using the phone now, I can't make it rainbowful), I only have 1 thing to say: Oh I love you and your comments or reviews will make us fail. LOL
 

J33T

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LOL
Are you Conan or Kogoro Mouri?
Do you know how many of our patrons registered the accounts from 2016, 2017 but currently only support us?
Only 小人 (don't know how to translate it to English) like you think I must register another account to post review for us.

Are you my mother that you know I'm busy or not? :ROFLMAO:

83% of our patrons did come from F95. But they came to us after they played the game, not because of my interaction or reviews from others. 71 patrons after 2 months is not a high number but not low. Thank you for your advice but I only answer here when I like. This is not my duty to interact here or not.

The last thing: You hate rainbow? I don't care. :love:
I'll quote this post because the other one you wrote is for the most part plain rubberish that is not worth to interpret.
I believe in what I see, and this whole reviews thing is fishy: a handful of them got deleted and that one is weird. That's enough to raise doubts.

A few days ago you said those were the 2 reasons why you don't want to stay here anymore
There are 2 things make me don't want to engage here anymore:
First: all good reviews were deleted, only bad reviews left.
Second: I don't like the ways many people comment here. Only some comments I wanna answer. So I stop reading comments on this page.
Now you say that you don't care about the reviews:
I forgot to tell you this: the previous comment was to say: I don't care about the bad reviews.
Make up your mind. ;)

70 donors in 2 months of work is not bad at all, you are right. That's why I said you (or someone else in your team) should stay active here, the way you are promoting the game is working. But you call it a waste of time. I'd call it taking care of the playerbase.
 

radical686

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I think the issue is that there are some interactions that create NTR content unrealistically. The MC is going on a business trip. Going home ends the NTR content, but is totally unrealistic. I've gone on business trips, in some cases with very attractive coworkers. But, going out for drinks with them or the mere fact of going on a business trip didn't imply sex or desire to initiate sex. In some cases, you endanger your career by bailing on the trip. There is nothing innately sexual about going out to a bar and having drinks.

Once you go out there are ways to interact with that person that does imply a desire for sex, thus cheating. But, going out with a coworker doesn't automatically mean you want to cheat . . . unless you're significant other at home is a controlling, insecure, person and assumes the mere fact of interacting with them is cheating.

If you want to make the protagonist a controlling, crazy person, that's fine. But, having the protagonist automatically assume you don't care if you don't isolate yourself in your hotel room is kinda crazy girlfriend territory. You really need to set it up that way in conversations between the protagonists. So, have them say things to each other that implies your significant other is a controlling, suspicious person, who monitors you everywhere at all times. It's totally doable if that's the personality you want to give to your protagonist.

Same with going out with clients. Choosing to shield your colleague from handsy clients by sitting next to them says nothing about your feeling towards them, other than you've got their back. Two women could do the same and it doesn't mean they're lesbians. Seriously, do you believe sitting next to someone always implies sexual interest? If so, you need to get out more. Sitting next to them and then flirting with them or starting to rub their back, leg, or fondle them . . . clearly implies a desire to initiate a sexual relationship (cheating).

So, it's not like you can't include interactions that can lead to cheating. The writing so far is just too disconnected from reality and quickly boxes you into cheating behavior even when it could be interpreted as completely benign (not intended). I realize there are lots of interactions that defy reality, but some on this game really take you out of the narrative.
 

Captain Kitty

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I'll quote this post because the other one you wrote is for the most part plain rubberish that is not worth to interpret.
I believe in what I see, and this whole reviews thing is fishy: a handful of them got deleted and that one is weird. That's enough to raise doubts.

A few days ago you said those were the 2 reasons why you don't want to stay here anymore

Now you say that you don't care about the reviews:

Make up your mind. ;)

70 donors in 2 months of work is not bad at all, you are right. That's why I said you (or someone else in your team) should stay active here, the way you are promoting the game is working. But you call it a waste of time. I'd call it taking care of the playerbase.
First: In previous comment, I said that were 2 reasons I didn't like this forum and would leave. I didn't say 'only 2 things'. I don't like the moderators deleted those 5* reviews (because I don't think 4 people deleted all their reviews). That doesn't mean those 5* reviews were made by me like you, the rainbow hater said. And that doesn't mean I was scared that those bad reviews make me worry about people won't come to my game anymore. I don't care you or anyone rate it *1. But the act of deleting good reviews but leaving bad reviews alone make me leave this forum. Are we clear, the rainbow hater?

Second: You want me to list more reasons to leave this forum? People play the game for free then come to my page to insult me? People think they have the right to tell me I must change the script because they think that will be wiser when our patrons don't say anything about the story? People like you don't support me but think they are wise enough to say I need luck?

Third: You said I needed luck, now you say my work is working? You think I should be here to take care of the playerbase? Forget about this stupid thing, the rainbow hater. I don't support this thread anymore. Who wants anything can ask in my page. Just wait and see if working here is the reason why our patrons come to us or not.

Fourth: Show me the evidence those accounts you listed were from me. If you can't, you are just a stupid accuser.

Final: Again, I don't care about bad reviews. You or anyone can go on rating it *1. I don't like the way all *5 were deleted and I leave. That doesn't mean I want you and people rate it *5. Because people who support us on our page don't rate here. They rate by subscribing. Use your brain more, the rainbow hating accuser.
 

Avaron1974

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"And look at their ID's, Kevin Ash and Ben Smith" :LOL: Apparently you have an issue with my screen-name not being my real name? Because everyone uses their real names on a porn site. Right?,
I think the problem people have is you have been a member since 2018 yet only posted on this game.

Now the amusing part is you type like the dev, have the same attitude problems the dev has and use the rainbow type the dev used.

I wonder why people found that suspect. Could it be the review was posted from the same IP as the devs, that would be what was implied.
 
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