does it realy matter when u will end same end after all?
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I do prefer her generic look from before (what i mean by generic is that it's only a slider pushed to 100%, just like Jill), but the rework fits more her character, it's more aggressive and unique. The lighting, skin, and post are 100x better on the rework tho.More reworks.. she was better before
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Wow it went from awesome to absolute garbage in just one chapter.
-Mc spent centuries getting tortured in hell without help from his family
-"awakens" and discovers his op ability
-becomes king of hell
-Gets out of hell and becomes a total pussy
-forgives family instantly??!?!?!?!!?
I mean ffs Azel the sister who left him there to rot tells him to "lighten up" ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??!?!?!?!?!
Its like the dev of chapter 1 died and was replaced by some wimp little girl.
-Mc spent centuries getting tortured in hell without help from his family
-"awakens" and discovers his op ability
-becomes king of hell
-Gets out of hell and becomes a total pussy
-forgives family instantly??!?!?!?!!?
I mean ffs Azel the sister who left him there to rot tells him to "lighten up" ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??!?!?!?!?!
Its like the dev of chapter 1 died and was replaced by some wimp little girl.
its not like he was trying to be the king of hell, he was just in a blind rage.
im also not sure where you got the "forgives family instantly" thing? hes under emma's protection, so if he doesnt play along, he essentially dies. my choices havent been welcoming everything with open arms, have yours?
as for azel or azrael (which i think is a cooler name), she had no choice. do you blame the gun or the one who pulled the trigger? she could have refused and the end result would have been another angel does it and she gets tortured with him
ok...MC did not feared of death from start much...than became pussy hiding under mommy skirt, letting be fact that they abandoned him in hell.u cant even tell them to go to hell, cause that opinion will still force u to forgive them and do what they want.
and now there is another moral discusion if u blame gun or someone who pilled trigger (but bullet at the end killed him)....are u blaming assassin for taking contract or these who hired him? are u blaming german wardens in killing ppl in camps on order or u blame these who gave orders....u can probably say that there is some with less blame or bigger blame at the end all done something what they should not and are blamed by their actions.
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would be interested to for example ask person who is going to be shoot if that person blame who ordered it or who shot her, or both
but by your logic she would probably tell it is ok u was told to do it i dont blame u shoot me please.
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he feared the elders, but was still going to fight them. i dont think he was quite ready to throw his life away. i wanted him to fight them and leech their powers, personally, but perhaps hes playing the long game
as for the assassin and the german wardens, were they facing guaranteed death if they refused? were they brainwashed? created for the sole purpose of carrying out those orders by an omnipotent being? if so, then no? its like blaming a tiger for killing a kid who climbs into his cage at the zoo
so she was brainwashed?
and wardens did not anything agains law (german at least) and still was punished
btw they will definitely punish that tiger by death....not that i would blame him cause tiger is not thinking, he is reating by instincts...so if she is not animal that it is pointless argument
and i think that she told mc something like that she doesnt mind it was work and if she refuse someone other would do that...
edited: and they will probably blame parrents and that zoo to....cause honestly there should not be possible for kid to get inside a cage with tiger
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ive always questioned whether angels really had free will. ive never really gotten a good answer. since MC was fated to die in hell as stated by nyks handler, MC HAD to go to hell to die there. i dont 100% understand why azrael had to be the one to do it, but it had to get done.
sure, a third party will punish the tiger, but the point is, you cant seriously believe that the tiger was at fault in killing the kid. in a different case, if another tiger kills a poacher in the wild, people arent going to care.
what would you do i guess is the question? when faced with the same dilemma, do you think you would do it or not? can you understand why someone wouldnt take the same path as you and would you blame them? its one of those things where you can never truly know the answer until youve faced it
definitely third party will punish u for that the first party was literaly eaten by tiger
tiger was to blame cause he eaten someone...
he acted by insticts...still cause him kid was eaten.
i work in place where i MUST refuse direct order if i would commit crime by doing it....or i am of course blamed by doing it
it is nice point of view on world like u had all rainbow and sunshine od course but in real life ppl they carry consequences for their acts...ordered or not
Is the gun sentient? And if so, does it start talking shit about how it's not afraid of the person who pulled the trigger and how that person isn't controlling it? Because if that's the case, then yeah, I'll definitely blame the gun...
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gun is not living so u cant punnish tool (ok u can but it is pointless)...if gun is secret word for person than she is definitely responsible as gun, same as that one who ordered it.
btw not gun or person who pulled triger is killing someone ....it is bullet who kill
mindfucked right i was in the military, i was told to do something that i felt was wrong (and was actually procedurally wrong, not really morally wrong). i gave my superior a warning and was told to do it anyways, so i did it. no longer my fault if something goes wrong.definitely third party will punish u for that the first party was literaly eaten by tiger
tiger was to blame cause he eaten someone...
he acted by insticts...still cause him kid was eaten.
i work in place where i MUST refuse direct order if i would commit crime by doing it....or i am of course blamed by doing it
it is nice point of view on world like u had all rainbow and sunshine od course but in real life ppl they carry consequences for their acts...ordered or not
adding something like morals to it where the one who ordered it is supposed to be the "supreme good," not doing it would be considered as evil as doing it. i get why MC doesnt particularly blame azrael
So if the father pulled the trigger and Azel is the gun, that means that Kreon is the bullet? So all the girls are innocent and it's all Kreon's fault! Simps rejoice! Now the MC can join Emma's yoga class and Azel's streaming!gun is not living so u cant punnish tool (ok u can but it is pointless)...if gun is secret word for person than she is definitely responsible as gun, same as that one who ordered it.
btw not gun or person who pulled triger is killing someone ....it is bullet who kill
If it wasn't obvious, that was just a bad joke.
Azel said she couldn't do anything against their father's orders and the very next day she talked shit about how she's not afraid of anyone and how she's not following his rules... So which one is it? Does she have to follow his rules/orders or not?
The dev could have just changed that scene and have a random angel delivering the MC to hell, instead of trying to make Azel more likeable while pushing all the blame towards their father and at the same time creating plot holes.
it is...right what u should do is refuse and tell his supperior....
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I know I'm getting into the conversation where I'm not wanted, but that was discussed as soon as the update came out. The main problem is the attitude, ok it is understood that they had no choice but to leave him in hell because an equal or worse punishment was coming for them if they didn't obey. But there is no guilt, no repentance, they don't give a shit that the mc suffered. It's "hey, I was just following orders, it's all good, right?" and now we're all friends, we spend time with them and even Azrael questions the mc because he tried to kill himself.
how much of that is big talk and how much of that is emma? at the time of the event, there was no safe place to go like there is now since emma was apparently still in heaven. azrael can only talk big because emma has her back. theres a difference between fear and pragmatism
as far as they knew he was already dead and not getting tortured for centuries. and when he came back, until he said he had been calling them and asking for help (which was right before the end) they had no reason to feel guilty because as far as they knew he didnt want or need their help. all the bruises could have come from the single handed annihilation of hell.
its also kind of awkward to know you caused someone to suffer or look the other way while someone did. maybe they feel guilt but havent been able to apologize, yet? azrael knows he self-harmed (the way in which to get attention, not the way to actually kill yourself...down the street, not across the tracks) and is backing off until he wants to talk about it (also this is before she knew that he called to her for centuries with no response)
Come on dude... The dev is trying to put all the blame on their father, but at the same time make them all powerful enough to be able stay away from him. You can't have it both ways. They are either powerful enough and just didn't do shit to help the MC or not powerful enough and shouldn't be able to be left alone. But we have to accept that Emma can control anyone just by talking them for instance, but couldn't help the MC during all those centuries he was being tortured in hell, because... boobs I guess...
Also I have no clue what he's trying to do with Azel's character. Let's take the scene where they were watching TV and the MC fell asleep as an example. After he woke up drenched in sweat she asked him what happened to him in hell... Was that supposed to show us she cares? Bitch, what do you think happened to a pre-teen angel you abandoned in hell with no means to defend himself? He was spending his days in their world renowned spa of course!
*Also the "they thought he was dead" doesn't cut it. No mother would accept that without seeing a body with her own eyes. Especially one who can just control demons with her power and send them look for him.