VN Ren'Py Abandoned The Falling Reloaded [Ch. 6] [WhiteBear]

[risky0]

Regardless, MC's power should have a limit, it should not copy the powers of God and Goddess.
I like strong characters but that would be too unbalanced.

The developer saved Emma and Raphael perfectly in my opinion, really well done.
I can't say the same for Azel and the other sister.
The story is really pretty, I don't understand why people get stuck on Ines, man, look at those LI's, they're all beautiful.
Especially Emma is just the jealous possessive LI I was looking for.

 

[Sarif119]

Someone please post I-patch

 

[HentaiKami]

Unless that demon doesn't exist. As main character himself said that kreon never mentioned his son. Also the whole event felt weird to me. I don't remember but did nyks ever said anything about inesa?

If you don't kill the demon straight, he will run for the queen of the northern area, who is his cousin, follow him and kill him there with the queen begging for her life by saying she wasn't part of this plot and everything that he did was his own actions, including the letter that drew MC out of the castle.

 

[nitkonikic]

it did but then the MC and the player are forced into being a god boy for the fuckups responsible for the shit MC had to go through, and the best part is they give bullshit excuses and belittle everything MC went through. Like its a joke for them.

Azel (is that the name?) constantly making fun of MC not knowing this, that and never having done this or that makes me desperately want to make her suffer same thing MC suffered. Or at least just kill her. There's no way in hell she'll ever be potential LI in any of my playthroughs.

YOU WERE THE ONE WHO DELIVERED MC TO HELL BITCH!

 

[vogelbeest]

YOU WERE THE ONE WHO DELIVERED MC TO HELL BITCH!

Hey... she's just the bitchy sister.... Can't expect an angel to get away with just the regular bitchy sister stuff, right? And besides that, it doesn't look like she herself had a ton of human interactions... Being an archangel of death is not exactly a job to learn "people skills".... Think in the lines of "the book of Job" how the divine act.... And what's likely the same for angels, in more than one way....

 

[nitkonikic]

Hey... she's just the bitchy sister.... Can't expect an angel to get away with just the regular bitchy sister stuff, right? And besides that, it doesn't look like she herself had a ton of human interactions... Being an archangel of death is not exactly a job to learn "people skills".... Think in the lines of "the book of Job" how the divine act.... And what's likely the same for angels, in more than one way....

Hardly an excuse.

But what annoyed me even more than her is MC during all those conversation (and other conversations with her). Being all goody-goody with her, like they're best friends or some shit and nothing bad ever happened in the past. The whole "she was just following orders" is such a lame excuse I wanted to slam my head against the desk instead of facepalming when MC said that.

It's straight out of "lame-excuses-for-hot-girls" book.

 

[HentaiKami]

Hardly an excuse.

But what annoyed me even more than her is MC during all those conversation (and other conversations with her). Being all goody-goody with her, like they're best friends or some shit and nothing bad ever happened in the past. The whole "she was just following orders" is such a lame excuse I wanted to slam my head against the desk instead of facepalming when MC said that.

It's straight out of "lame-excuses-for-hot-girls" book.

I mean, everyone of the angels and Goddess has some to answer for when you consider what MC went through. But so far it's pretty obvious that they originall thought that it was short duration punishment/sentence for MC, reason for it we don't know, but God "suddendly" decided that it wasn't going to be just 6h trip to hell. Instead they closed all the portals to hell and even prevented prayers from being heard from there. Also if as MC understood already, if Azel didn't take him to hell, someone else would have and they might not have been as "kind" about it. So far it seems to me that MC is focusing mostly in using the angels to gather power so he can go after God in revenge, considering if he makes too much trouble with other angels, Emma might not be able to protect him or might even come to conclusion that MC is lost.

 

[Simulacrum29]

if Azel didn't take him to hell, someone else would have and they might not have been as "kind" about it.

yeah, being betrayed by a close relative is far more comforting then betrayal by a stranger, like you can really feel her love for her brother in that act

 

[Raziel_8]

Hey... she's just the bitchy sister.... Can't expect an angel to get away with just the regular bitchy sister stuff, right? And besides that, it doesn't look like she herself had a ton of human interactions... Being an archangel of death is not exactly a job to learn "people skills".... Think in the lines of "the book of Job" how the divine act.... And what's likely the same for angels, in more than one way....

She is all happy go lucky, they live on earth for quite some time, she was in college multiple times and seems to get along just fine there.

I mean, everyone of the angels and Goddess has some to answer for when you consider what MC went through. But so far it's pretty obvious that they originall thought that it was short duration punishment/sentence for MC, reason for it we don't know, but God "suddendly" decided that it wasn't going to be just 6h trip to hell. Instead they closed all the portals to hell and even prevented prayers from being heard from there. Also if as MC understood already, if Azel didn't take him to hell, someone else would have and they might not have been as "kind" about it. So far it seems to me that MC is focusing mostly in using the angels to gather power so he can go after God in revenge, considering if he makes too much trouble with other angels, Emma might not be able to protect him or might even come to conclusion that MC is lost.

How was she kind as she droped him into hell, and how could have an other angel make that worse ?
Again, just because i was ordered, doesn't change shit, neither does it absolve her from her deed.
But the most sour point is not even that she threw the MC in hell, it's how she reacts after he is back.
No guilt, no responsibility at all, a complete lack of any empathy...and she likes to forget that he even was in hell in the dumb comments she always gives.

 

[Simulacrum29]

She is all happy go lucky, they live on earth for quite some time, she was in college multiple times and seems to get along just fine there.


How was she kind as she droped him into hell, and how could have an other angel make that worse ?
Again, just because i was ordered, doesn't change shit.
But the most sour point is not even that she threw the MC in hell, it's how she reacts after he is back.
No guilt, no responsibility at all, a complete lack of any empathy...and she likes to forget that he even was in hell in the dumb comments she always gives.

didnt you get it she only followed orders. I mean that was a shitty excuse back then in the nuremberg trials, but she gets a pass.
probably because of the tits.

 

[vogelbeest]

Hardly an excuse.

Well, i can agree with you it's not an excuse, but that's by human morals. And that's the thing, they're not human and there's situations in the story that get more explanation later. God is not a guy that just fires you, if you don't do the job. The only reason MC is where he is now is because he had help from his family, maybe too late, but it's not like he could have won against the elders by himself. And MC's behavior is influenced by the powers of his mother, that's also explained.

Overall it's a pretty good story, not the usual dime-a-dozen stuff... Yeah, it's not following standard rules, but "every girl magically falls on your dick" games don't get this much comments for being unrealistic... And this game mostly follows the story in an acceptable way for its setting... The peeking on your sisters parts are the scenes that follow "pornlogic", but since the game explains the strange behavior of MC and his relatives within the setting, i think it's acceptable behavior in this setting.

Not saying there is no need for a redemption arc, there's still a lot to talk about and explain before MC can accept his family's part.. But at the same time a lot is still happening with MC, it's also a matter of how they support him from now on... MC really is not in a good place mentally... Doubt he will get through all this without support or becoming evil...

 

[Simulacrum29]

MC really is not in a good place mentally... Doubt he will get through all this without support or becoming evil...

well MC should choose evil and be done with it

 

[vogelbeest]

well MC should choose evil and be done with it

You mean get himself killed? Because unlike cutting his wrists, fighting god or the elders now, that's the only possible result.
Or go back and rule hell? That's exactly what he didn't want to begin with...

 

[Simulacrum29]

You mean get himself killed? Because unlike cutting his wrists, fighting god or the elders now, that's the only possible result.
Or go back and rule hell? That's exactly what he didn't want to begin with...

dragging his family back to hell for a few centuries on vacation
glassing earth to send a fuck you to the havens and their precious balance

 

[vogelbeest]

dragging his family back to hell for a few centuries on vacation
glassing earth to send a fuck you to the havens and their precious balance

I can see the humor in that, but it doesn't seem to be the way the story is going... You might still get your chance, everything is still possible, but we really need a lot more insight on the "why?"... And lets face it, we're still playing because we want to know, and we're still in the thread because this story is original and the game has good renders... So many stuff out there that's just too uninspired, sometimes even 3rd, 4th or 5th games from devs not even close to this game... ("big brother in hell" somebody?)

 

[HentaiKami]

yeah, being betrayed by a close relative is far more comforting then betrayal by a stranger, like you can really feel her love for her brother in that act

From what i gathered, pretty much every angel is related, brothers and sisters, except elders that seem to be different kind of angels.

 

[HentaiKami]

How was she kind as she droped him into hell, and how could have an other angel make that worse ?
Again, just because i was ordered, doesn't change shit, neither does it absolve her from her deed.
But the most sour point is not even that she threw the MC in hell, it's how she reacts after he is back.
No guilt, no responsibility at all, a complete lack of any empathy...and she likes to forget that he even was in hell in the dumb comments she always gives.

I mean, she just dropped him there, one of the others might have added insults on top of the whole injury of the whole situation, hence why kind was between "". And i haven't said that it absolves her or any other angel, only that she didn't make it worse actively, where as others might have. If you read my whole comment, you might notice that every one of those angels have something to answer about it, just like Emma does. Since we see that there's angels that don't really think that much about their brother who got sent to hell.

 

[nitkonikic]

You mean get himself killed? Because unlike cutting his wrists, fighting god or the elders now, that's the only possible result.
Or go back and rule hell? That's exactly what he didn't want to begin with...

Obviously that's not the direction game will take (like you said, he said multiple times he doesn't want it), but going back to hell, making alliance (or something of sorts) with Northern queen, preparing army and then going back to Earth to actively start a war would be realistic for someone that has been f***** from behind by heavens.

He owes them nothing. Not heavens, not his family, certainly not his god/dad (if dad is a god, or just higher entity I'm not sure).

Someone made a comment that his dad predicted he'll become evil and that's why he sent him to hell. If that turns out correct, it's self-fulfilling prophecy. Condemn an innocent soul to centuries of torture and you get a not so innocent soul back, hell bent on revenge and full of nothing but hatred.

Turning good would be nigh impossible. Certainly not with the kind of family he has. I mean dear lord, those people actively mock him for not understanding human world. HELLO?!?! Which part of "centuries of daily torture" is not clear to them? He was a child when they dropped him in hell for torture.

Think about it for a second. A child is given to devil to be tortured daily for hundreds of years. That child now finally got out, his mind would be gone, any goodness or sense of compassion would be gone. Inessa was the only one who treated him properly. The rest? Damn man, the rest are pack of absolute idiots.

The one who left him there being absolute worst of the bunch.

Damn, I got excited in my comment there, so apologies if I went overboard. I genuinely can't wait to see how the dev develops this one. As long as he stays away from any school arcs (please, please, pleeease let that be one time idea that's now dropped) and develops relationships between MC and his family/demons/heavens, I'll happily stay onboard.

That said however, I see no way for me to run any route with romance with any of the family members. Not even as side route. Just...no. It's just a VN, not real life, but there's no pardoning them.

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

Obviously that's not the direction game will take (like you said, he said multiple times he doesn't want it), but going back to hell, making alliance (or something of sorts) with Northern queen, preparing army and then going back to Earth to actively start a war would be realistic for someone that has been f***** from behind by heavens.

He owes them nothing. Not heavens, not his family, certainly not his god/dad (if dad is a god, or just higher entity I'm not sure).

Someone made a comment that his dad predicted he'll become evil and that's why he sent him to hell. If that turns out correct, it's self-fulfilling prophecy. Condemn an innocent soul to centuries of torture and you get a not so innocent soul back, hell bent on revenge and full of nothing but hatred.

Turning good would be nigh impossible. Certainly not with the kind of family he has. I mean dear lord, those people actively mock him for not understanding human world. HELLO?!?! Which part of "centuries of daily torture" is not clear to them? He was a child when they dropped him in hell for torture.

Think about it for a second. A child is given to devil to be tortured daily for hundreds of years. That child now finally got out, his mind would be gone, any goodness or sense of compassion would be gone. Inessa was the only one who treated him properly. The rest? Damn man, the rest are pack of absolute idiots.

The one who left him there being absolute worst of the bunch.

Damn, I got excited in my comment there, so apologies if I went overboard. I genuinely can't wait to see how the dev develops this one. As long as he stays away from any school arcs (please, please, pleeease let that be one time idea that's now dropped) and develops relationships between MC and his family/demons/heavens, I'll happily stay onboard.

That said however, I see no way for me to run any route with romance with any of the family members. Not even as side route. Just...no. It's just a VN, not real life, but there's no pardoning them.

I think the dev just sucks at storytelling and instead of listening to those who are giving feedback after playing the game he will keep doubling down on the current horrendous path he has chosen, we either just get on board with it or get told we don't "understand" this super deep complex story... Like no, I know a dog turd when I see it.

 

[UniqueCheeseBurger]

I'm kind of confused is there a end of content message like other games or does it just eruptly end?