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nitkonikic

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If they add a sex scene, they need to chance the dialog with all the woman, who find out he is still a virgin. Which doesn't make sense anyway....
Ye, their virgin lines make 0 sense.

He was dropped to hell as a child, spent hundreds of years tortured. When would he ever have a chance to even be with a girl?

Just a line which is both insensitive and mind blowingly stupid.

Unless devil had some other type of turture best left unmentioned.
 
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Ye, their virgin lines make 0 sense.

He was dropped to hell as a child, spent hundreds of years tortured. When would he ever have a chance to even be with a girl?

Just a line which is both insensitive and mind blowingly stupid.

Unless devil had some other type of turture best left unmentioned.
At least it would be my first priority, after being tortured for hundreds of years. Maybe it's told in the story, but it's still not known how long he was there, I would suggests, only maybe a few years. (Earth time)...
 

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At least it would be my first priority, after being tortured for hundreds of years. Maybe it's told in the story, but it's still not known how long he was there, I would suggests, only maybe a few years. (Earth time)...
It can't be just a few years. Raphael was also a kid when it all started and she went through med school, plus she said that Azel attended college a good few times already, to which she replied "Hmmm, I forget how many times; a few dozen at least."... A few means at least two, so even if she started the first year they went to earth (we know she didn't, because she didn't follow the other two right away, but let's ignore that for now) attended only for few months each time, dropped out and started over the next year (which wouldn't make sense, but let's ignore that too...) we're talking about 24 (earth) years at the very least, even with the "time flows slower on earth" plot armor. If she attended all four year each time, with no breaks in between we're talking about at least 96 years, almost a century.

I'd say a good guess would be that his centuries of torture in hell, would be somewhere between 50-75 earth years.
 

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just got thru playing both versions of your game ..... glad you did the reloaded one ... interesting game you have made ... kinda a version of heaven / human / hell ... it ended with me having the impression .. that this god is wanting the MC to take over hell and run it .... but the mc is not willing ... leaves me to wonder why the mc had to go thru all he did .... maybe this god should have just asked the mc to run hell without all the torture involved .. oh well ... all in all pretty cool game ...


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I'd say a good guess would be that his centuries of torture in hell, would be somewhere between 50-75 earth years.
I would guess it's several centuries in earth time, Emma mentioned they need to move every 50 years or so, which sounds as if they did that already a couple of times.
He was dropped to hell as a child, spent hundreds of years tortured. When would he ever have a chance to even be with a girl?

Just a line which is both insensitive and mind blowingly stupid.
Yeah and by the same bitch which threw him in hell in the first place...also says shit like 'dude you even had a decent conversation in ages' etc...
 
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I would guess it's several centuries in earth time, Emma mentioned they need to move every 50 years or so, which sounds as if they did that already a couple of times.

Yeah and by the same bitch which threw him in hell in the first place...also says shit like 'dude you even had a decent conversation in ages' etc...
Ah the best hint, they needed to move every 50 year, I somehow missed that one...
 

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I would guess it's several centuries in earth time, Emma mentioned they need to move every 50 years or so, which sounds as if they did that already a couple of times.

Yeah and by the same bitch which threw him in hell in the first place...also says shit like 'dude you even had a decent conversation in ages' etc...
If you want my honest opinion, I'd say the whole "a month in hell is just a few days on earth" was just an afterthought the dev had (that created more plot holes...), to make the girls look less like horny pieces of shit who don't give a fuck about the centuries of torture the MC had to endure while they were playing house, so with that thought in mind I didn't go over a century with my estimate.

If we see it logically the term "a few dozens" Azel used could technically mean two, but if that was the case, she would have said "a couple dozens", so it's probably more. Anyway, even if we say it was two, we have 24*4=96 years. There's no fucking way she went to college back to back, because people would have noticed, so with a few years gaps in between, we're easily getting close to a couple of centuries there.

But the dev will tell you, she didn't go the full four years and Emma meant they just moved and will have to do it again after 50 years because... boobs...

I personally find the "family redemption" backstory stupid in general. We tried to help you but the bad God stopped us and it's not like we don't give a shit about what you went through, it's just that time moved slower for us...
They had a chance to find the MC, right? They have the second most powerful being in the world there, who was supposedly looking all over the world for a way to bring the MC back, because she cares sooo much about him and who do they send in that "rescue mission"? The youngest, with the least experience and obviously weakest one between the three of them... :FacePalm: I wonder why they failed!
 

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I mean, since we don't know the exact time MC spent in hell as torture victim, his statement of having to suffer for it hundreds of years and also the statement from other angels about month in hell being few days on Earth could both be accurate. MC might have lost sense of time after few hundred years of torture and in reality spent there closer to few thousand years. Hard to say since we don't really have any hard dates for things to happen.
 

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I mean, since we don't know the exact time MC spent in hell as torture victim, his statement of having to suffer for it hundreds of years and also the statement from other angels about month in hell being few days on Earth could both be accurate. MC might have lost sense of time after few hundred years of torture and in reality spent there closer to few thousand years. Hard to say since we don't really have any hard dates for things to happen.
We only have a few statemants, like Emma saying they move all 50 years, Azel and how often she did go to college, in that virgin talk MC says to Azel she spend several centuries roaming earth freely (i guess freely means since she had her falling out with the old man and she doesn't correct it, so i asume it's true), Aniel which says it's a long time and they all have changed (which should imply a really long time, i mean they are immortal and arround for a bit).

If we take religion/mythology into account, which kinda makes sense as the Archangels Raphael and Azrael are mentioned there, they should be a couple of millenia old at least.

And yeah i doubt the MC has any real idea how long he was in hell, if time moves faster there or not. He was a prisoner and spend the entire time there in his cell, doubtful he kept track of time there.

I personally find the "family redemption" backstory stupid in general. We tried to help you but the bad God stopped us and it's not like we don't give a shit about what you went through, it's just that time moved slower for us...
They had a chance to find the MC, right? They have the second most powerful being in the world there, who was supposedly looking all over the world for a way to bring the MC back, because she cares sooo much about him and who do they send in that "rescue mission"? The youngest, with the least experience and obviously weakest one between the three of them... :FacePalm: I wonder why they failed!
Yeah, if Emma was going along she just could have used her powers on the guardian and Raphael could have used the portal as planned. Or Azel/other Angels could have distract the guardian while Raphael sneaks past him etc.

I mean it's a explanation...not a real good one thought.
The time moves faster in hell did strike me too as a afterthought the dev used to make them look better.
 

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The time moves faster in hell did strike me too as a afterthought the dev used to make them look better.
That's how I saw it as well, buuuuut....
Time moving faster for person not being tortured is hardly helpful.

For the sake of example, I'll use 500 years as torture time.

MC was tortured for 500 years. Just because only 50 years (again, just an example) passed on Earth does not mean MC didn't get tortured for 500. The point about time flowing faster definitely sounds like trying to come with some kind of excuse for family, but I'm not seeing it.

500 years for the tortured one is 500 years of torture. It means frack all the rest spent only 50 years waiting for him.
Or is there an excuse they also didn't know time flows slower in hell? Which, come on...
 

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That's how I saw it as well, buuuuut....
Time moving faster for person not being tortured is hardly helpful.

For the sake of example, I'll use 500 years as torture time.

MC was tortured for 500 years. Just because only 50 years (again, just an example) passed on Earth does not mean MC didn't get tortured for 500. The point about time flowing faster definitely sounds like trying to come with some kind of excuse for family, but I'm not seeing it.

500 years for the tortured one is 500 years of torture. It means frack all the rest spent only 50 years waiting for him.
Or is there an excuse they also didn't know time flows slower in hell? Which, come on...
I just try to ignore the 'time moves faster' statement, makes no real difference imo and i don't think the dev plans to make use of that, like using it so the MC can train and become more powerfull 'faster' in hell.

In my head cannon, the MC has a similar role to Lucifer which was thrown in hell a some millienia ago and try not to think too much about how long...

I mean, imagine some religious persons finds out about Raphael for example.
Religious person: whoa, you're the archangel the old testament mentioned, some 2000 years ago
Raphael: nah, you must mean my older sister, i'm archangel Raphael JR.
Religious person: you are not really creative with the names up there, are you ?
Raphael: well, all the names that are ending on 'el' were out, so...
 
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Is anyone else on board with the hate train for the main family? Let's look at their decisions up to Chapter 3:

-Raniel: Instead of saying, "Hello!" or "How've you been?" she immediately threatens us as the messages for dad, without so much as a goodbye or a take care of yourself. The next meeting we have with her she suddenly starts caring, and while I do understand she didn't hear any of our prayers; she still took a mood 180 REAL quick, a god damn shoulder to cry on when daddy isn't ordering her to be a messenger bird.

-Raphael: She's not bad, she tried to tell us what happened during our first encounter but was blown off (justifiably so, to our knowledge at the time; she had ignored our calls). Anywho, afterwards she reverts back to her obvious shy demeanor due to the blow off, and has most definitely taken an associative stance on our relationship till we sat down to talk (being Emma's perfect lap dog and everyone's healing fleshlight, there's probably some mental lack of confidence there).

-Azel: She's probably the worst one of the group. Even knowing everything we know by the end of it, she still only saw what she was doing as a task, "Well any one of our siblings would've done it so I did it first, that makes it okay." That laid back lack of care is garbage, I understand that they don't know officially what had happened to us, but Hell wasn't known to be this fucking hot tourist destination, they had to have known that. And being daddy's errand girl and still trying to play both sides by living with mommy makes her out to be this dishonest, "I'd do it again in a heartbeat", untrustworthy, little shit of a sister or person for that matter.

-Emma: So she's a bit like Raphael in that while she just wants to help, her issue is that she isn't truthful right off the bat DESPITE being openly affectionate and honest with the MC. She doesn't get the shy excuse, they have had plenty of heart to heart moments and not once did she even think to either ask what happened to the MC, or explain how she tried to help in the first place. This isn't Knives Out not everyone needs to keep secrets like god damn strangers but then be openly nice to one another with virtually no working context. The MC wants NONE of this shit even if you do pick the good path he hints at his time being dogshit in Hell yet they STILL feel the need to be quiet about important details. Keep in mind, she is a smart individual, immortal, and arguably knowledgeable, she shouldn't be playing this half assed half truth bullshit.

And lastly, all of them: I don't know WHAT every angel is smoking up their ass, but it is laughably stupid. You're telling me, that out of the centuries they have tried to get the MC out of Hell, they didn't ask a SINGLE demon on Earth what the environment was like in Hell? Raphael is a fucking doctor for christ's sake, you're telling me she doesn't recognize mental or physical trauma? What about Azel, she's literally the Angel of Death, she even mentions that she knows darkness or patterns or whatever when she sees them, she's around those people all the time. Not a single one asked what Hell was like, what they do there, nothing? Immortal beings my ass, these guys have been sitting in fantasy land. It doesn't matter if they couldn't access it themselves, information is constantly flowing out of Hell, as seen with the rumors of the MC's takeover. Did they think it was sunshine and rainbows down there? Give me a fuckin break, I think they all deserve the cold shoulder, and this whole forced buddy buddy bullshit with Azel is awful, she's the worst of the bunch because she's SEEN the landscape, not exact the High Heavens.


Afterthoughts: Overall, I still like the writing, I suppose some people can be oblivious to trauma. The issue in this case is that they are knowledgeable, and more importantly; immortal. It just bugs me that being surrounded by supernatural individuals in their life on Earth you'd think they'd spend at least SOME time knowing about what they spent the last few centuries trying to break into was actually like. If my brother disappeared for over a hundred years, the least I could do is know where he was at, how he was doing, etc. But it just seems like they spent more time dicking around with the humans than they did actually trying to understand the real situation, trying to help or otherwise. The only recovery I can PERSONALLY see is they actually sit down and air out everything, and maybe some god damn guilt from Azel sending her little brother to a torturous Hell filled life for his entire coming of age. Then perhaps some actual believable acknowledgement for the pain the MC went through instead of, "Are you okay???" The rest of the angels can suck a cock, they'd rather bend over for dad and backstab mom and their siblings than be real family so that's on them. The MC is justified, the only REAL acknowledgement he's gotten is from that angel in the bar and Inessa.

What do y'all think? Am I off my rocker for thinking this or do some of your feel the same way?
 
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Nah, I don't like the main household as well. MAYBE I can give Raphael a pass because she tries to talk to MC at the club/bar thing and backs off for the most part. Plus she works at the hospital at least she's saving people and is busy or whatever. Everyone else I don't really care for. Feels like no one cares about MC and MC forgot about the torture because he's going along with whatever Emma says. They treat him like he has been living with an uncle on a farm since childhood or something.

I think it's too late to talk about feelings because things are too chill now, that extremely high tension seems gone. Maybe something was said/done after the shower scene, but I dunno, I stopped there. though I kinda caved and checked if there are affinity points... and yeah there is, and the shower scene Gives Devil points for looking and Angel points for not looking. So not looking gives the impression that I'm somehow trying to be nice by not letting the MC look, but in reality I just don't care. I'm still on the fact the MC is mentally boned.

I think letting them save him would've soften the blow for me. He said his faith left him when he escaped, that's what I'm hung up on. The one person who showed him compassion gets murked. She was the only one who knew what he went through. So I understand him raising hell.. in hell.

Knowing about this college stuff and living in a house with personalities like Emma and Azel, I would've handled the opening like this:
  • Keep the torture stuff, but have Inessa talk to him at times after being tortured to keep his hope up.
  • Then have the Angels save him but leave Inessa behind, he wakes up realize shes not around and tries to go back.
  • He gets back to hell but realized they killed her. Still a good motivator to raise hell, but instead of faith being lost, at least they got to him. hell, put him in a bad situation, boom, there's the reason to have Ghost awaken him.
  • Have the Angels ask "Why". That's the catalyst to airing everything out. Have him break down OR have him lose it and fight everyone, have the Angels realize he's broken, have them show some emotion, some empathy, some sympathy... Something.
  • If you want a reason to dislike the angels, there still is, Inessa says she was with MC each time he passed out, have her there when they save him but they left her there. They wouldn't know what she did for him.
With all that he still has the trauma and can still have visions of Inessa. But giving some bridge to living with the Angels that doesn't feel unnatural/forced. Also, that would somewhat have me tolerate Emma and Azel. Even a little, because I do not like them at all at this moment.
 

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Is anyone else on board with the hate train for the main family? Let's look at their decisions up to Chapter 3:

-Raniel: Instead of saying, "Hello!" or "How've you been?" she immediately threatens us as the messages for dad, without so much as a goodbye or a take care of yourself. The next meeting we have with her she suddenly starts caring, and while I do understand she didn't hear any of our prayers; she still took a mood 180 REAL quick, a god damn shoulder to cry on when daddy isn't ordering her to be a messenger bird.

-Raphael: She's not bad, she tried to tell us what happened during our first encounter but was blown off (justifiably so, to our knowledge at the time; she had ignored our calls). Anywho, afterwards she reverts back to her obvious shy demeanor due to the blow off, and has most definitely taken an associative stance on our relationship till we sat down to talk (being Emma's perfect lap dog and everyone's healing fleshlight, there's probably some mental lack of confidence there).

-Azel: She's probably the worst one of the group. Even knowing everything we know by the end of it, she still only saw what she was doing as a task, "Well any one of our siblings would've done it so I did it first, that makes it okay." That laid back lack of care is garbage, I understand that they don't know officially what had happened to us, but Hell wasn't known to be this fucking hot tourist destination, they had to have known that. And being daddy's errand girl and still trying to play both sides by living with mommy makes her out to be this dishonest, "I'd do it again in a heartbeat", untrustworthy, little shit of a sister or person for that matter.

-Emma: So she's a bit like Raphael in that while she just wants to help, her issue is that she isn't truthful right off the bat DESPITE being openly affectionate and honest with the MC. She doesn't get the shy excuse, they have had plenty of heart to heart moments and not once did she even think to either ask what happened to the MC, or explain how she tried to help in the first place. This isn't Knives Out not everyone needs to keep secrets like god damn strangers but then be openly nice to one another with virtually no working context. The MC wants NONE of this shit even if you do pick the good path he hints at his time being dogshit in Hell yet they STILL feel the need to be quiet about important details. Keep in mind, she is a smart individual, immortal, and arguably knowledgeable, she shouldn't be playing this half assed half truth bullshit.

And lastly, all of them: I don't know WHAT every angel is smoking up their ass, but it is laughably stupid. You're telling me, that out of the centuries they have tried to get the MC out of Hell, they didn't ask a SINGLE demon on Earth what the environment was like in Hell? Raphael is a fucking doctor for christ's sake, you're telling me she doesn't recognize mental or physical trauma? What about Azel, she's literally the Angel of Death, she even mentions that she knows darkness or patterns or whatever when she sees them, she's around those people all the time. Not a single one asked what Hell was like, what they do there, nothing? Immortal beings my ass, these guys have been sitting in fantasy land. It doesn't matter if they couldn't access it themselves, information is constantly flowing out of Hell, as seen with the rumors of the MC's takeover. Did they think it was sunshine and rainbows down there? Give me a fuckin break, I think they all deserve the cold shoulder, and this whole forced buddy buddy bullshit with Azel is awful, she's the worst of the bunch because she's SEEN the landscape, not exact the High Heavens.


Afterthoughts: Overall, I still like the writing, I suppose some people can be oblivious to trauma. The issue in this case is that they are knowledgeable, and more importantly; immortal. It just bugs me that being surrounded by supernatural individuals in their life on Earth you'd think they'd spend at least SOME time knowing about what they spent the last few centuries trying to break into was actually like. If my brother disappeared for over a hundred years, the least I could do is know where he was at, how he was doing, etc. But it just seems like they spent more time dicking around with the humans than they did actually trying to understand the real situation, trying to help or otherwise. The only recovery I can PERSONALLY see is they actually sit down and air out everything, and maybe some god damn guilt from Azel sending her little brother to a torturous Hell filled life for his entire coming of age. Then perhaps some actual believable acknowledgement for the pain the MC went through instead of, "Are you okay???" The rest of the angels can suck a cock, they'd rather bend over for dad and backstab mom and their siblings than be real family so that's on them. The MC is justified, the only REAL acknowledgement he's gotten is from that angel in the bar and Inessa.

What do y'all think? Am I off my rocker for thinking this or do some of your feel the same way?
I pretty much agree with you there.

Azel is garbage at this point, no guilt, no responsibility for her deeds, than there are the dialogues like that virgin talk or if the MC had a good conversation recently etc...I honestly don't see how you can salvage her character, at least not in a believable way. Neither do i want to see her redeemed, imo she should share MC's experience of torture in hell.

Emma, well she got a bit of redemption in 0.3, still far from great thought. What makes her really bad is her cougar in heat attitude from the get to go.
All she ever does is drooling over the MC, i mean duh, the guy is deeply scarred physically and mentally, add to that really estranged form his nice family...

Raphael, out of the three she is the only one i like of this family and where i can see more, also the one which acts the most natural, considerate.
That she is Emma's lapdog is a downside, but so is the MC at this point. Emma's abilities don't leave much room for free will or resistancee...

I mean, everyone which has as much as a single look at MC's body can tell that hell wasn't a luxury resort.
Or seeing his fresh wounds, where he cut his wrists (he doesn't even hide those), that he is in a really bad place...
 
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I pretty much agree with you there.

Azel is garbage at this point, no guilt, no responsibility for her deeds, than there are the dialogues like that virgin talk or if the MC had a good conversation recently etc...I honestly don't see how you can salvage her character, at least not in a believable way. Neither do i want to see her redeemed, imo she should share MC's experience of torture in hell.

Emma, well she got a bit of redemption in 0.3, still far from great thought. What makes her really bad is her cougar in heat attitude from the get to go.
All she ever does is drooling over the MC, i mean duh, the guy is deeply scarred physically and mentally, add to that really estranged form his nice family...

Raphael, out of the three she is the only one i like of this family and where i can see more, also the one which acts the most natural, considerate.
That she is Emma's lapdog is a downside, but so is the MC at this point. Emma's abilities don't leave much room for free will or resistancee...

I mean, everyone which has as much as a single look at MC's body can tell that hell wasn't a luxury resort.
Or seeing his fresh wounds, where he cut his wrists (he doesn't even hide those), that he is in a really bad place...
Yeah I get all that;

Emma's nice demeanor and our friendly demeanor towards her makes sense due to the power's influence on each other.

But this whole hippy dippy bullshit with Azel makes literally no sense. I mean; we literally had a panic attack near her upon our first encounter, and now suddenly we're fine around her because, "We would've done the same if the roles were reversed?" Fuck off.

Raph isn't innocent here either, again; she's been a doctor and better yet a medic for the angels for how many years and you're telling me she can't recognize mental (or physical) trauma when she's around it. There is literally a scene where they all sit around WATCHING the MC's quiet demeanor and even COMMENT that, "silence says a lot." I swear to God this family is oblivious to basic signs.

The solution in my eyes is they sit down after the fight, REALLY understand what the MC went through, and for Azel's sake I had better see some tears of actual regret and not these, "No hard feelings?" excuses. From Raph's side I need non stupidity. And from Emma's side I need non fantasy land, she needs to realize what her son ACTUALLY went through isn't something she can walk off with a god damn shopping trip.

Edit: No hate to the creator tho. The way I see it; it was written this way for a reason. If he prolongs the relationship bonding with the family that dishes out more play time, longer game life span. And from a writing perspective, it makes SOME sense as to why they would act the way they do:

Most of the angels (if not all) are probably essentially brainwashed to obey their father (God), in every iteration of biblical or non biblical lore, that's how it is. Now that being said, the Goddess (Emma) decided to leave which is a being they are probably equally loyal to, hence the split between Earth and Heaven residential angels. At the time in their eyes (which was before the split), their Dad's orders were absolute; and sending the MC to Hell was a must on their part. Obviously Emma is exempt of this rule, and the other angels noticed that, so thinking for themselves (in angel time) is probably a fairly new concept.

That all being said, there is still one MASSIVE plot hole that is so obvious it's blinding; how did they not know what Hell was like? They may have never been able to BE there, but they are around Demons, they have lore that they've studied from humans, and they knew that Hell was a punishment for the MC, what did they believe happened in there?

Alas like I said, maybe they really were just narcissistically caught up in themselves, and perhaps they gave up looking for that info after they realized they couldn't get in there in the first place. But I still find it a little odd. Obviously this isn't Toiken, but I feel like it's a blatant disregard on the logical side of things. I guess we'll see, maybe they were in denial.
 
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Yeah I get all that;

Emma's nice demeanor and our friendly demeanor towards her makes sense due to the power's influence on each other.

But this whole hippy dippy bullshit with Azel makes literally no sense. I mean; we literally had a panic attack near her upon our first encounter, and now suddenly we're fine around her because, "We would've done the same if the roles were reversed?" Fuck off.

Raph isn't innocent here either, again; she's been a doctor and better yet a medic for the angels for how many years and you're telling me she can't recognize mental (or physical) trauma when she's around it. There is literally a scene where they all sit around WATCHING the MC's quiet demeanor and even COMMENT that, "silence says a lot." I swear to God this family is oblivious to basic signs.

The solution in my eyes is they sit down after the fight, REALLY understand what the MC went through, and for Azel's sake I had better see some tears of actual regret and not these, "No hard feelings?" excuses. From Raph's side I need non stupidity. And from Emma's side I need non fantasy land, she needs to realize what her son ACTUALLY went through isn't something she can walk off with a god damn shopping trip.

Edit: No hate to the creator tho. The way I see it; it was written this way for a reason. If he prolongs the relationship bonding with the family that dishes out more play time, longer game life span. And from a writing perspective, it makes SOME sense as to why they would act the way they do:

Most of the angels (if not all) are probably essentially brainwashed to obey their father (God), in every iteration of biblical or non biblical lore, that's how it is. Now that being said, the Goddess (Emma) decided to leave which is a being they are probably equally loyal to, hence the split between Earth and Heaven residential angels. At the time in their eyes (which was before the split), their Dad's orders were absolute; and sending the MC to Hell was a must on their part. Obviously Emma is exempt of this rule, and the other angels noticed that, so thinking for themselves (in angel time) is probably a fairly new concept.

That all being said, there is still one MASSIVE plot hole that is so obvious it's blinding; how did they not know what Hell was like? They may have never been able to BE there, but they are around Demons, they have lore that they've studied from humans, and they knew that Hell was a punishment for the MC, what did they believe happened in there?

Alas like I said, maybe they really were just narcissistically caught up in themselves, and perhaps they gave up looking for that info after they realized they couldn't get in there in the first place. But I still find it a little odd. Obviously this isn't Toiken, but I feel like it's a blatant disregard on the logical side of things. I guess we'll see, maybe they were in denial.
The problem with Emma is that she was acting like a cougar even before she met him again. She finds out the MC escaped from hell and her first thoughts (after sending her lapdog to find him, because she's busy sipping her wine...) are not if he's ok and what he must have been through, but something in the lines of "I'm curious how he looks like now".

Now, talking about massive plot holes... A literal goddess, followed by a couple of archangels and a lot of angels are looking for decades for a way to go to hell and rescue the MC and fail miserably. The MC who is pretty much clueless about everything, since he was locked up in hell since he was a little kid, finds a way to return to hell in a matter of days, because he's worried about Inessa. So they're either useless or they didn't try that hard.

To be honest, every excuse/explanation we got in this last update looks more like the dev trying to do some "damage control" based on people's complains, than something he had in his mind right from the start, which created some new plot holes in the story.
 

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The problem with Emma is that she was acting like a cougar even before she met him again. She finds out the MC escaped from hell and her first thoughts (after sending her lapdog to find him, because she's busy sipping her wine...) are not if he's ok and what he must have been through, but something in the lines of "I'm curious how he looks like now".

Now, talking about massive plot holes... A literal goddess, followed by a couple of archangels and a lot of angels are looking for decades for a way to go to hell and rescue the MC and fail miserably. The MC who is pretty much clueless about everything, since he was locked up in hell since he was a little kid, finds a way to return to hell in a matter of days, because he's worried about Inessa. So they're either useless or they didn't try that hard.

To be honest, every excuse/explanation we got in this last update looks more like the dev trying to do some "damage control" based on people's complains, than something he had in his mind right from the start, which created some new plot holes in the story.
Even more funny as in the current update it was shown that they have connections with apparently powerful demons, like the one which made the magical amulet for Raphael (the one which can hide her even from god).
But apparently the dark magic to create a portal never came up and that is pretty much common knowledge for demons (even the random servant which became Shadow knew it), as one of the 3 ways demons use to leave hell.
Even if that demon didn't have the knowledge to create a portal, at the least she should know about it.
The MC grabbed the first random demon to get an answear about ways to leave hell and Shadow needed 'a few minutes' on earth to find a demon which has the necessary knowledge...

So they are either completely useless, or they were occupied by other, more important stuff, like going to college a few dozen times, to busy at work (i still don't know why Emma doesn't use her powers to solve money problems), Emma was probably going on a world tour for wine tasting idk.

Then the plan that Raphael should go alone to the portal/hell. I mean, i didn't expect Sun Tzu, but not even a simple distraction so that Raphael could safely sneak past the guardian...children have better strategies if they want to get their hands on the cookie jar...

So yeah, this definitely feels like damage control and not something that the dev has planned beforehand, also more plot holes.
 
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I think the premise of this story is something absolutely unique and has the opportunity to offer something novel to the adult game space; my one big gripe is that the story at times devolves into the typical "gotta fuck them all" game everyone loves almost inconvenienced by the story it wants to tell.

MC was in hell for centuries on centuries getting tortured by its king? Well everyone treats it like he's just coming home from summer camp. I can understand the differences in time between two dimensions, but the way the entire family reacts to him returning it feels more like they think the MC is just a whiny bitch exaggerating how long he was in hell for sympathy points. The MC literally kills the king of hell and takes over the dimension for his own, yet while he lives with the humans he's just a rebellious teenager going through an emo phase.

Emma can be incredibly offputting at times with her immediate desire to jump the MC's bones. Her asking the MC to join her in the dressing room at the store so she can get naked in front of him, declaring to him her intentions of having him catch her in the shower like he has with Raph and Azel, and having the MC make his bed the same as hers immediately just make her wildly blatant about her intentions. Her being like this makes me think that
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, although I don't know if that's the vibe anyone else is getting. Many people are upset with the fact that her presumed inactivity while the MC was in hell is completely forgotten for the sake of every game having the MILF with the biggest tits and biggest ass that's the main LI, but her actions are (sorta) explained.

Like most people in this thread, Azel is a massive negative for me. Sure she was only doing what her father told her to do when dropping off the MC at hell and only viewed it as an obligation, but the fact that when the MC returns she's written as the stereotypical "older sister that was never the closest to the MC, but jabs and insults are how they communicate with one another" character also involved in some shady shit. All that's missing from her is that she goes to the club at 11:00 pm and everything changes when the MC saves her from an abusive boyfriend or customer who wants to get too handsy. I will say that I appreciate the "I know she's responsible for taking you to where you would endure centuries of torture and shows zero remorse for doing so, but dat ass" dialogue between Arkas and the MC when she's in the shower.

Raphael as the younger sister is portrayed of course as the studious yet innocent and inexperienced one of the family who doesn't realize how attractive she is and you no doubt are going to have to work to make comfortable with her own sexuality, which works in the genre but also I hope she is developed to become something more than just that trope. Of the family, I feel like she's the one most naturally would gravitate to, if for no other reason because she's the one least responsible for the MC ending up in the situation he was in.

My opinion on the family isn't necessarily that the MC needs to exact revenge for everything he was put through while he believed they just didn't give af, but I would like it if the MC could just do his own thing, not needing to be shoehorned into this cookie cutter adult game family dynamic. I mean the dude took over another dimension and is looking to exact revenge on his father, and instead we end up in this situation that feels like a sitcom except its on Syfy.

This game I think has so much potential to be an excellent one and I think there's more good (Luna, Luna, Luna, Luna) than bad (please god tell me the college aspect of this game is done), so I am interested to see where this story is heading.

I will say that I am a fan of the dev replacing Nyks with a different model from the Jill model. While I too am a fan of it, it does provide some originality for a key character as opposed to relying on the Jill character model to get fans of her from BADIK to flock to the game without paying attention to the story they're trying to tell.
 
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At this point, the best thing for the author to do is to just move to story away from the family for a while. Have the therapist tell the family to give us some space. Use that time away from them to build up the side characters. Give players a chance to find a character they like instead of trying to change their minds about ones they don't like.

Angela would be a good character to start with because she seems to be a calming presence. She's also lost loved ones, so he could talk to her about how losing Inessa. Between her, the shrink, and Luna, he should be able to regain enough composure to start dealing with other problems. Then start moving to plot forward again with Ellena, Aniel, and Layla.

The game has a lot of potential, and I believe it could still be a hit if it can get past this first fumble.
 

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At this point, the best thing for the author to do is to just move to story away from the family for a while. Have the therapist tell the family to give us some space. Use that time away from them to build up the side characters. Give players a chance to find a character they like instead of trying to change their minds about ones they don't like.

Angela would be a good character to start with because she seems to be a calming presence. She's also lost loved ones, so he could talk to her about how losing Inessa. Between her, the shrink, and Luna, he should be able to regain enough composure to start dealing with other problems. Then start moving to plot forward again with Ellena, Aniel, and Layla.

The game has a lot of potential, and I believe it could still be a hit if it can get past this first fumble.
No I actually agree with you half way. I think the way the story is going RIGHT NOW with the Azel fight; this would be one of the ONLY times early on for the family (which are obviously the primary love interests) to truly sit down and understand the MC. THENNN after they see how wrong they were, the MC can go out on his own to focus on the side characters, it gives everyone respective distance, time to grow and heal old wounds (literally), etc.

If they do this fight, walk it off as a bad day with NO deeper meaning (which might be the case), then the story with the family is down the shitter with no redeemable qualities ANY time soon. It would take a god damned miracle after the fight for me to care about dumb, dumber, and dumbest not realizing the deeper meaning; let alone still trying to pursue/fuck them/ even be friendly around them.

I'm personally less curious about baggage bar lady (Angela) and more curious about the demon sisters at the college (specifically the ponytail one), of course there are probably others we haven't met.
-I don't think I'd care for the other angels AT ALL, only exception being the other one that was outcasted (forget her name).
-Not a fan of the Ghost story line but I am curious to where it'll lead.
-Very interested in the war with Dad, I want the MC to get more powers and be able to kick some ass. The fighting is not bad due to the renders, definitely a step up from other cringe worthy 3dcg fighting scenes involving magic and what have you.
-Most of all I really do want to have a BELIEVEABLE rekindling with the family, as they have the best renders and we have the most history with (lore alert).

Maybe WhiteBear'll suprise me with his writing for the family recovery, who knows. I wish the best regardless, at the end of he day if I don't like it I will drop it and only hope to find something done better and similar in the future, but as of right now White Bear's got a monopoly on this interesting concept. I do love me an OP protagonist power fantasy with lewd well done renders, which is also rare for 3dcg let alone a VN so I hope it works out!
 
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