VN Ren'Py Abandoned The Falling Reloaded [Ch. 6] [WhiteBear]

[Alfred the Fallen]

I'm personally less curious about baggage bar lady (Angela) and more curious about the demon sisters at the college (specifically the ponytail one)

Arianna? The one who shows no interest in us at all and barely looks up from her textbook when her sister Ellena excitedly points us out? The one who doesn't even want to talk with us? What's your reason for choosing her?

Having a big sit down with the family is a bad idea right now because he clearly isn't ready to talk about it yet. They're pushing way too hard and need someone to act as a buffer. That's the job of Camelia the therapist, and it's also essentially what Angela was doing for Raphael, which is why I suggested her as a first stop. Luna has also been trying to calm the main character, so she'll probably be involved in the next bit too.

Ellena and Arianna's father is the most powerful demon in town, and her mother is likely the woman that Raphael bought the magic trinket from, so they could be a good source of information on the underworld. Which is why I think they'll be linked to the part of the game about the chaos in the underworld, rather than the turmoil in the main character's mind. So they most likely won't get a larger role until a bit later on.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

Arianna? The one who shows no interest in us at all and barely looks up from her textbook when her sister Ellena excitedly points us out? The one who doesn't even want to talk with us? What's your reason for choosing her?

Having a big sit down with the family is a bad idea right now because he clearly isn't ready to talk about it yet. They're pushing way too hard and need someone to act as a buffer. That's the job of Camelia the therapist, and it's also essentially what Angela was doing for Raphael, which is why I suggested her as a first stop. Luna has also been trying to calm the main character, so she'll probably be involved in the next bit too.

Ellena and Arianna's father is the most powerful demon in town, and her mother is likely the woman that Raphael bought the magic trinket from, so they could be a good source of information on the underworld. Which is why I think they'll be linked to the part of the game about the chaos in the underworld, rather than the turmoil in the main character's mind. So they most likely won't get a larger role until a bit later on.

I'm interested in Arianna because she is the more attractive personality (and physical) type for me personally. I can already see Ellena as the spoiled little succubi that she is, I want none of that. If I'm not mistaken Arianna wasn't not interested in us, she was just nervous to talk to us (and a bit scarred) due to the rumors from what we did in Hell. But she is only one of the most likely numerous other interests we'll see in a supernatural college.

Camelia is about as useless as the GTA therapist. She talked to us for all of 5 god damn seconds, established something was DEEPLY rooted wrong, warned Emma, and then refused to elaborate further; leaving. If she's the mediator between us and the fam no wonder the god damn family is so oblivious to our mental scars.

I'm saying RIGHT NOW Azel is practically dying to the MC, if that isn't an indicator that they need to at least ACKNOWLEDGE seriously that the issue is bigger than they thought, I don't know what more they need to prove the point save for killing one of them.

 

[Alfred the Fallen]

Camelia is about as useless as the GTA therapist. She talked to us for all of 5 god damn seconds, established something was DEEPLY rooted wrong, warned Emma, and then refused to elaborate further; leaving. If she's the mediator between us and the fam no wonder the god damn family is so oblivious to our mental scars.

I don't think it's fair to put the blame on Camelia for this situation. Her only speaking to the main character for a short time is completely reasonable if she did it because she didn't want to overwhelm a guy who clearly isn't stable. She also can't tell Emma everything that goes on in those sessions or else her patient will have no reason to trust her with anything he doesn't want Emma to know. Cameilia told Emma that "From our short discussion, I can tell there's an avalanche of pain he's holding back; he's not well, Emma. He's likely to need long term treatment. What he went through... it's more than someone should ever have to endure." It's 100% Emma's fault. She the one who pushed him out into human society because she wanted to play pretend happy human family. Even without Camelia's initial assessment, it's clear to everyone that this guy isn't ready to be out in human society.

I'm saying RIGHT NOW Azel is practically dying to the MC, if that isn't an indicator that they need to at least ACKNOWLEDGE seriously that the issue is bigger than they thought, I don't know what more they need to prove the point save for killing one of them.

Obviously. I don't think there's anyone around who would disagree with that. But having a sit down discussion with them is pointless. What exactly do you expect the family to say at this point other than what they already have, which is that nothing is their fault? The main character needs time away from his family. The audience needs time away from the family. Cameila telling Emma and the gang to give him some space is the best move right now.

 

[EF.Sora]

Seems like I stopped reading before a big story thing.
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What exactly do you expect the family to say at this point other than what they already have, which is that nothing is their fault?

It's not so much what they'd say, it's more so their reaction or lack there of.
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But it seems there was a big event, seems like the Dev has a plan. I'll keep an eye on this.

 

[RonaldGrand6969]

I don't think it's fair to put the blame on Camelia for this situation. Her only speaking to the main character for a short time is completely reasonable if she did it because she didn't want to overwhelm a guy who clearly isn't stable. She also can't tell Emma everything that goes on in those sessions or else her patient will have no reason to trust her with anything he doesn't want Emma to know. Cameilia told Emma that "From our short discussion, I can tell there's an avalanche of pain he's holding back; he's not well, Emma. He's likely to need long term treatment. What he went through... it's more than someone should ever have to endure." It's 100% Emma's fault. She the one who pushed him out into human society because she wanted to play pretend happy human family. Even without Camelia's initial assessment, it's clear to everyone that this guy isn't ready to be out in human society.



Obviously. I don't think there's anyone around who would disagree with that. But having a sit down discussion with them is pointless. What exactly do you expect the family to say at this point other than what they already have, which is that nothing is their fault? The main character needs time away from his family. The audience needs time away from the family. Cameila telling Emma and the gang to give him some space is the best move right now.

Camelia isn't innocent. I'm pretty sure she's aware of who and what the family are, so knowing that Hell is Hell; she probably should've mentioned that, you know, maybe the MC was tortured? According to like literally every iteration of Hell it's not a nice place. And while she didn't know the details (and the characters aren't entirely accurate to human biblical lore or otherwise) the foundation remains the same. Sure the MC was stand offish at first, but you could tell he was trying to push himself to speak up about it, establishing that you went through something bad (which she already knew ahead of time because, ya know, Hell) and then calling it a day talk next week? Is about the LAST thing you should be doing for a clearly "mountain of pain" unstable person, ESPECIALLY if it's an Archangel, not exactly the type of person to call the suicide hotline.

As for the sit down, I meant less so an actual sit down and more so just ACKNOWLEDGING the very volatile situation. Instead of asking if your just okay after he tried to murder his sister.

 

[Raziel_8]

Camelia isn't innocent. I'm pretty sure she's aware of who and what the family are, so knowing that Hell is Hell; she probably should've mentioned that, you know, maybe the MC was tortured?

Come on...the MC's family being what they are, there is no way they wouldn't know that...not to mention MC's runs around in his boxers scarred from head to toe, they can't really miss that, iirc Azel even comments on his cut wrists and that she know that he tried to commit suicid.

Is about the LAST thing you should be doing for a clearly "mountain of pain" unstable person, ESPECIALLY if it's an Archangel, not exactly the type of person to call the suicide hotline.

Well yeah, he already tried suicid with no success, i mean what you wanna do with an archangel which was betrayed by said family and suffered torture in Hell since childhood ?
There is not really a therapy for that, even less a fast one. So letting him settle down for a couple of days with his ''caring'' family is theoretically a good choice.
You also don't want push him to much, otherwise there is often a backlash which results in the opposite of what you want to archive.
Let's be honest, chances for a successful therapy would be small, setbacks to be expected and this would take many years.

And what would be the alternatives ?
A closet rubber cell ? That would certainly backfire in a spectacularly way.
Medication ? I doubt they would work on a archangel, even if they did, they take weeks to have the desired result, in the meantime suicide risk/ drive is even increased and finding the right combination of the meds can take much longer.

As for the sit down, I meant less so an actual sit down and more so just ACKNOWLEDGING the very volatile situation. Instead of asking if your just okay after he tried to murder his sister.

Well we will see their reaction, also he didn't really try to kill Azel and he is far from archiving that, (she's just a bit banged up sadly), just a hallucination, which Azel realizes.
That being said, i doubt a normal therapy would have changed anything in his case, certainly not in a days time.

I mean, they fail to aknowlege MC's situation from the get to go, take no responsibility for their actions, no guilt, no real empathy, really nothing.
Instead they just behave like he was on a weekend trip to a beach resort, try to force him to integrate in human society, without giving him even a few days off after centuries of torture. The MC even stated multiple times he doesn't want to, or doesn't like crowds etc, so forcing him on a shopping trip and in college makes totally sense
I honestly don't see how them sitting down would change anything, the whole family would need to do a 180 turn in their behavior.


Edit: on a different note, we speculated how much time has passed outside of Hell since the MC's banishment and i noticed this by chance.

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[eddie987]

Come on...the MC's family being what they are, there is no way they wouldn't know that...not to mention MC's runs around in his boxers scarred from head to toe, they can't really miss that, iirc Azel even comments on his cut wrists and that she know that he tried to commit suicid.

Well yeah, he already tried suicid with no success, i mean what you wanna do with an archangel which was betrayed by said family and suffered torture in Hell since childhood ?
There is not really a therapy for that, even less a fast one. So letting him settle down for a couple of days with his ''caring'' family is theoretically a good choice.
You also don't want push him to much, otherwise there is often a backlash which results in the opposite of what you want to archive.
Let's be honest, chances for a successful therapy would be small, setbacks to be expected and this would take many years.

And what would be the alternatives ?
A closet rubber cell ? That would certainly backfire in a spectacularly way.
Medication ? I doubt they would work on a archangel, even if they did, they take weeks to have the desired result, in the meantime suicide risk/or drive is even increased and finding the right combination of the meds can take much longer.

Well we will see their reaction, also he didn't really try to kill Azel and he is far from archiving that, (she's just a bit banged up sadly), just a hallucination, which Azel realizes.
That being said, i doubt a normal therapy would have changed anything in his case, certainly not in a days time.

I mean, they fail to aknowlege MC's situation from the get to go, take no responsibility for their actions, no guilt, no real emphaty, really nothing.
Instead they just behave like he was on a weekend trip to a beach resort, try to force him to integrate in human society without giving him even a few days off after centuries of torture. The MC even stated multiple times he doesn't want to, or doesn't like crowds etc, so forcing him on a shopping trip and in college makes totaly sense
I honestly don't see how them sitting down would change anything, the whole family would need to do a 180 turn in their behavior.


Edit: on a different note, we speculated how much time has passed outside of hell and i noticed this by chance.

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For some reason, I half-expect the next update to be all about "poor" Azel and the MC feeling bad for stabbing her...

 

[Raziel_8]

For some reason, I half-expect the next update to be all about "poor" Azel and the MC feeling bad for stabbing her...

Ugh...anything but that, that's even worse then college and therapie combined

 

[nitkonikic]

For some reason, I half-expect the next update to be all about "poor" Azel and the MC feeling bad for stabbing her...

Think I would genuinely drop the game at that point.

School arc was painful, family being bunch of idiots + MCs inner thoughts is hard to read at times, feeling ANY remorse for Azel would be breaking point.

Don't think she'll get hurt though, she did say she doesn't want to hurt MC, so probably holding back during their fight. All I assume MC will be sad about is starting a fight with such a loving, innocent creature like Azel. But let's see.

 

[Boehser Onkel]

soooo

a dungeon , a hallway , the throneroom , the bedroom - wooden stool´s (even the throne), candles , swords, axes

the bathroom - polished granite , electric lights ,electric outlet´s , keramic bathtube , upholstered chair´s

.....eeeeeeeeh

 

[eddie987]

Think I would genuinely drop the game at that point.

School arc was painful, family being bunch of idiots + MCs inner thoughts is hard to read at times, feeling ANY remorse for Azel would be breaking point.

Don't think she'll get hurt though, she did say she doesn't want to hurt MC, so probably holding back during their fight. All I assume MC will be sad about is starting a fight with such a loving, innocent creature like Azel. But let's see.

That fight was a let down to be honest. She was holding back and the MC could barely keep up with her. How the fuck did this guy wreak havoc in hell? If the demons are so weak, why are the angels so adamant on keeping the balance? What balance?

 

[Alfred the Fallen]

she probably should've mentioned that, you know, maybe the MC was tortured?

The main character already told Raphael that he was tortured in the first chapter.

Raphael: "I've been looking for you everywhere! Why'd you run away from home after I healed you? We were so worried about you."

MC: "Oh really? You were so worried? Did you forget to visit me while I was being tortured in hell? Or were you too busy for that?"

Raphael: "I know you're mad at me, but let me explain."

MC: "We're not siblings, Raphael. Not anymore. And I don't care for your explanation."

So there's no need for her to tell the family something they already know.

 

[Raziel_8]

That fight was a let down to be honest. She was holding back and the MC could barely keep up with her. How the fuck did this guy wreak havoc in hell? If the demons are so weak, why are the angels so adamant on keeping the balance? What balance?

Yeah, i had the same thoughts.
If the MC in his state of hallucination (in which he should be weaker and less focused) would be at least on par with Azel...but he is far from it.
There really is no reason for the angels to fake any kind of pretence of ''balance'', or even tolerate demons on earth. Even Emma and god aside, they could just send 1 or 2 archangels or an elder and Hell would be cleaned out in short time.

 

[Boehser Onkel]

eeeh

i read some random comments to get a grip of the story

do i get it right :
the game goes from an wrathseeking angel ,escaping from torture in hell, to COLLEGE and therapy?
pls tell me this is not the plot ...

 

[Raziel_8]

eeeh

i read some random comments to get a grip of the story

do i get it right :
the game goes from an wrathseeking angel ,escaping from torture in hell, to COLLEGE and therapy?
pls tell me this is not the plot ...

Well, at least college should be out of question after the last update...probably, maybe.
And you forget the horny family which want to bang the MC

 

[Newhell]

Very good

 

[eddie987]

eeeh

i read some random comments to get a grip of the story

do i get it right :
the game goes from an wrathseeking angel ,escaping from torture in hell, to COLLEGE and therapy?
pls tell me this is not the plot ...

Of course not! The MC is also going shopping with his mom, she buys him an amazing sweater vest and then they visit a lovely cafe! Seriously though... That's an actual scene from Chapter 2. The MC even gets scolded for skipping class at some point! Dude's unstable, he's been tortured for centuries, he's obviously in a very bad mental state and they think that the best way for him to learn "how to human" is by forcing him to go to college.

 

[Boehser Onkel]

Well, at least college should be out of question after the last update...probably, maybe.
And you forget the horny family which want to bang the MC

Of course not! The MC is also going shopping with his mom, she buys him an amazing sweater vest and then they visit a lovely cafe! Seriously though... That's an actual scene from Chapter 2. The MC even gets scolded for skipping class at some point! Dude's unstable, he's been tortured for centuries, he's obviously in a very bad mental state and they think that the best way for him to learn "how to human" is by forcing him to go to college.

omfg ....

well , i will play abit more and see if its as confusing at its sounds
and atm its sounds rediculous

thanks guys

 

[vogelbeest]

do i get it right :
the game goes from an wrathseeking angel ,escaping from torture in hell, to COLLEGE and therapy?
pls tell me this is not the plot ...

Hey, nobody said it was a good college....

But yeah, for this game i'd strongly advise to play it first.... It's pretty good actually, but you can decide for yourself, reading the thread just sets expectations.... To be fair, there's been some over analyzing in this thread, it's a fantasy game, not a psychological thriller...

 

[nitkonikic]

omfg ....

well , i will play abit more and see if its as confusing at its sounds
and atm its sounds rediculous

thanks guys

Oh, oh, oh, he forgot the best part.

Person that dropped MC in hell while he was a child keeps making jabs at him for not understanding human world, being a virgin etc.
You need to read that man, MCs family is comedy central.