nitkonikic

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Well i like and share Ghost's reaction of the MC going to therapy (i just hope it wasn't a illusion).
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Have a feeling that is not an illusion and it will be revealed she is someone different. Maybe hybrid, maybe something (or someone) else, just that it will (once again) reveal they are hiding stuff from MC.

Could be wrong of course, nobody knows the direction this VN is going towards, not even dev.
 

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Sorry fam, but you're late to that party. I don't even think I was first either. It's just that obvious. Especially when you look at what "dad's" powers are.


If Goddess is God's near equal and he's able to get both of their powers then it's obvious why that would be a problem.
I remember typing that as a theory. not sure if others did before me. if they did, then I guess I wasn't original in it
 
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What I was pointing at is that your whole idea neatly explained step by step would not work just as the dev's plot does not work because it is incongruent with the prologue.

How so, the family was written as not giving a rat's ass about the MC. Even the mother was portrayed more like a mob boss than a mother. Even the big picture of the plot is not congruent with any form of happy family.

Allow me to frame it in an example substituting angels and demons with countries:

Imagine that Germany and France get into a heated discussion :sneaky:. So they end up creating a Little Country (MC), but they fucked-up and half of each country's nuclear arsenal ends up in this new country. So Germany panics and calls for an emergency meeting of the European Union. At the meeting Germany just says:

Germany - I am nuking the new Little Country and taking it's nuclear delivery systems. None against it? None? Awesome.

So, Little Country goes boom, loses everything except all its fissile material.

Germany - So anyway, Spain I see that you have direct access to Africa. Do me a solid and dump that pile of smoldering shit in Africa.

Spain - Sure no problem

Germany - Best if it is not in North Africa, dump it in Central Africa. You know, where there is a bunch of sick warlords that like to mutilate and skull fuck people.

Spain - Oh for sure it shall be done.


So the Little Country's smoldering wreck gets dumped in Central Africa to be mutilated and skull fucked but then this nice and not at all suspicious black market dealer called Ghost tells the Little Country he can give it delivery systems for its fissile material. Now it's in business nuking Central Africa. So Little Country shat all over Africa and needs to get the fuck out. Now that it's out he gets a call from the European Union.

Austria - So hey Little Country, Germany says that you need to rule over Africa now that you are powerful. You know because the balance and shit, not because we are scared of all the fissile material you have. Just stay put and you know don't come close... (call disconnects).

New call.

France - So... Hey dear how you been? Peachy I bet. So, anyway me and some other little bitch countries had a spat with Germany and we would like to know if you would like to be in our side, seeing as you have all that fissile material. You know we did nothing to stop Germany when it nuke your ass but you know we all have our own hides to save. No hard feelings give me a call I have some nice blonds here waiting for you... (call disconnects).

So, what should Little Country do?

  • Be a bitch and go to France and learn to stuff baguette up its ass.
  • Call any other country and ask how far it wants to fuck with the European Union

That's it, that's the same situation the MC is at. He has to return to his mother and be ok with it just because she had a spat with his father after the fact. So, she having a spat after the fact makes it ok and the plot has to be built under that premise. While I will admit that your version is better than the dev's, it still does not follow a logical continuation of the prologue. What would work is to go back to the prologue and fix the incongruencies with the mother and siblings, have them have some reaction to his demise and a set of powers that are congruent and uniform with them not been able to rescue him. And while the dev is at it, he could fix the balance of MC's power seeing as he single handedly brought hell to it's knees but gets bitch slapped by any angel he has fought against, the balance is a joke then. The so called balance is already broken and based on the power the MC has, anyone other than the MC can cause the Apocalypse if he/she farts the wrong way so there is no reason for the balance to be on MC's head.
You're gone too far, my friend. Let's me get your mind straight.
Firstly, forget about the current nuisance plot dev has created post Prologue.
What's the last scene in Prologue? Azel descending behind MC. Now go read my post again. I made little plot changes before this scene. Here read again

  • He was weaker than he had initially thought and elders would have fucked him along with his shadow demon army completely.

  • He decided to get stronger while being under Emma's protection and gathering more abilities also information.

  • Emma being a Goddess herself, understood her son's dilemma and eventually learning about his traumatic nightmares and suicidal tendencies.

  • Emma's motherly instincts takeover her reluctance to interfere with her husband's plan for restoring balance in Hell, so she eventually helps MC meet with Azel (Goddess of Death), after few back and forth fighting,
Now MC hates Azel because she's the one that left him there. Obviously in my plot he doesn't faint like a little flower. They're both bitter and fight. Azel in this plot is Daddy's Angel who doesn't care much about MC or his torment. However she'd start to respect him upon seeing his resolve to fight for himself despite being put to ground time and again.

Eventually Azel defeats MC using her Archangel powers. MC loses consciousness and Emma asking her why would she use such force to beat her little brother down. Azel flys away but there's tear in her eyes.

Emma is a goddess, cold and non human like. Neither emotional nor sentimental towards her children. Yet she loves and cares for her youngest son secretly. Seeing MC torn into bits triggers her motherly instincts that were suppressed deep within her. Emma vows to go against her husband and help MC however possible. As she embraces MC she's able to watch his nightmare with Inessa.
MC wakes up three days after fighting Azel. Realising how weak he is compared to other siblings and Archangels.

He conspires to gain more abilities and powers under Emma's protection. Though despising his family he wants to get closer to them for copying powers.
MC starts to make Emma and others feel sorry for himself slowly corrupting their mind with false affection. Raph, Azel and Emma feeling guilty want MC to feel welcomed. Emma calms her son with her powers and he slowly starts to recover from his hellish nightmare.

MC learning about GOD his father and how he'd lied about Hell and made it impossible for others to hear or reach there for aid. MC grows more hateful towards God, but starts to slowly forgive his mother and sisters that left heaven for him.
Emma asks him about his nightmare and Azel hints him about Inessa's dead soul but refuses to help him further.
Raphael talks about forbidden black magic and angels shouldn't be able to use it like MC.

Ghost is interested in Black Magic as it can really hurt God. He sets out on a quest to master Black magic gathering intel from devils and demons. Eventually learning about Azazel Goddess of Dark Arts & Magic.

Our MC on other hand is curious about Azel's, Emma's and Raphael's powers but fails to copy any of it despite several attempts.

Emma introducing MC to secret society of the Gods, Angels and Myths. Here MC learns about several other immortal and mythical beings. Emma informs them that MC has some magical abilities yet it's a forbidden kind. Therefore MC has to learn other forms of arcane magic or divine magic.

In this university, MC learns variety of magical arts, also copies several abilities from myths. Finally stumbling upon the information about God, Goddess and Archangels.
To copy there abilities one must have the most unique power (Duplicate) and also perform a ritual mating (sexual intercourse). Now MC has to fuck Emma, Azel, Raphael and Aniel etc. to gain their abilities.
 

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You're gone too far, my friend. Let's me get your mind straight.
Firstly, forget about the current nuisance plot dev has created post Prologue.
What's the last scene in Prologue? Azel descending behind MC. Now go read my post again. I made little plot changes before this scene. Here read again



Now MC hates Azel because she's the one that left him there. Obviously in my plot he doesn't faint like a little flower. They're both bitter and fight. Azel in this plot is Daddy's Angel who doesn't care much about MC or his torment. However she'd start to respect him upon seeing his resolve to fight for himself despite being put to ground time and again.

Eventually Azel defeats MC using her Archangel powers. MC loses consciousness and Emma asking her why would she use such force to beat her little brother down. Azel flys away but there's tear in her eyes.

Emma is a goddess, cold and non human like. Neither emotional nor sentimental towards her children. Yet she loves and cares for her youngest son secretly. Seeing MC torn into bits triggers her motherly instincts that were suppressed deep within her. Emma vows to go against her husband and help MC however possible. As she embraces MC she's able to watch his nightmare with Inessa.
MC wakes up three days after fighting Azel. Realising how weak he is compared to other siblings and Archangels.

He conspires to gain more abilities and powers under Emma's protection. Though despising his family he wants to get closer to them for copying powers.
MC starts to make Emma and others feel sorry for himself slowly corrupting their mind with false affection. Raph, Azel and Emma feeling guilty want MC to feel welcomed. Emma calms her son with her powers and he slowly starts to recover from his hellish nightmare.

MC learning about GOD his father and how he'd lied about Hell and made it impossible for others to hear or reach there for aid. MC grows more hateful towards God, but starts to slowly forgive his mother and sisters that left heaven for him.
Emma asks him about his nightmare and Azel hints him about Inessa's dead soul but refuses to help him further.
Raphael talks about forbidden black magic and angels shouldn't be able to use it like MC.

Ghost is interested in Black Magic as it can really hurt God. He sets out on a quest to master Black magic gathering intel from devils and demons. Eventually learning about Azazel Goddess of Dark Arts & Magic.

Our MC on other hand is curious about Azel's, Emma's and Raphael's powers but fails to copy any of it despite several attempts.

Emma introducing MC to secret society of the Gods, Angels and Myths. Here MC learns about several other immortal and mythical beings. Emma informs them that MC has some magical abilities yet it's a forbidden kind. Therefore MC has to learn other forms of arcane magic or divine magic.

In this university, MC learns variety of magical arts, also copies several abilities from myths. Finally stumbling upon the information about God, Goddess and Archangels.
To copy there abilities one must have the most unique power (Duplicate) and also perform a ritual mating (sexual intercourse). Now MC has to fuck Emma, Azel, Raphael and Aniel etc. to gain their abilities.
Again, I don't have a problem with your plot but for it to make sense, or even the dev's shit show to make sense. The dev has to go back and change some things about the prologue so as to facilitate the flow of the story. For example for your version to connect with the prologue the scene where Emma gets pissed with Raphael because she was late to fetch the MC from the hospital. If that didn't show Emma as a horny bitch that is more interested to see some flesh and instead it showed a mother worried about her son, then sure it would make more sense to have something like your version. I mean from that scene we can tell that she is not a cold being with no feelings, she gets angry, she gets horny, she is impatient.

What I am saying here is that the dev has to go back and fix it from the root instead of patching stuff as he goes because the plot starts to make little sense. Then I could see something as you propose make sense or what the dev is trying to string together.
 

AL.d

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Yeah, so much this.
But it got even worse than before, i thaught he is so because she is dead and he lost someone important to him.

But what he says is:
''I don't care if she died; she died because of me.''
''I promised her to protect her...''
''I couldn't keep my promise...''
''...Losing Inessa killed me.''

I mean, really, that is your whole problem, not so much that she is dead, but the promise and that she died while he was away...


Well, first, Emma is the goddess not an angel, and god literally just lied straight to all their faces as he left the MC in hell, contrary to what he promised.

The MC had his wings ripped out, they didn't even heal him, he was still bleeding as we see him as he was dropped there.
First thing Emma does is going against god, telling Azel to get the MC out and to kill everyone who stands in her way.
God not only forbidding anyone to go, he threatens that whoever disobeys also lands in hell.
How does any of this makes you belive in ''he is fine and happy there'' ?

And they believed he ruled hell all this time ?
He was a young child with no powers, in a place surrounded with only enemys, how should have that even worked...
And who would have raised an angel child ? The nice demonlord next door ?

Add to that, Emma/Azel/Raphael all knew demons, even some powerfull ones, no one ever asked, how is my child/brother doing in ruling down there ?

I get the dev is trying to fill some plotholes and make the family more likeable/redeeming them, but he just makes more plotholes. What reason is given here is so bad that it either sounds completely unbelievable, or let them look like absolute morons.

She was a cougar even before meet again, like the first time we see her she is salivating over the thought seeing the MC's body again and before the MC had even the opportunity to copy her powers.
And in this update, just after she noticed it, she is again half naked infront of him, preaching how that's all normal and mortal rules don't apply for them.


He just said for centuries, he has no clue how long exactly.
We have Emma which says they move all 50years or so.
In the talk sex/virgin talk of Azel and the MC they talk about what she did in the centuries she is freely roaming earth.
We also have Azel, which says she does her job for millenia, when she brings the MC to hell she is still young herself, likely not much older than the MC or Raphael and she wasn't in hell with the time difference.
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Honestly i think it's best to just not think too much about it, or use whatever fits you best.


Hah, an other update with Emma taking center stage...meanwhile one or two talks with Raphael.
Well i like and share Ghost's reaction of the MC going to therapy (i just hope it wasn't a illusion).
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No way that last scene wasn't illusion. Dev seems pretty hellbent to turn this into some milfy city clone, hot therapist included and all. She's fine.
 
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I mean, really, that is your whole problem, not so much that she is dead, but the promise and that she died while he was away...
That would make perfect sense if they played it off as the MC hated himself because he felt that he failed to protect her the same way that his family failed to protect him. Of course, that doesn't really work now that we've watched the MC basically forgive his family at the first flimsy excuse they gave him. I'm not sure how they can square that away now.

I was expecting him to rant about his family's flimsy excuses to the therapist, but I don't know if that'll happen now with all the Ghost stuff accelerating to the forefront of the story.
 
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don't have a problem with your plot but for it to make sense, or even the dev's shit show to make sense. The dev has to go back and change some things about the prologue so as to facilitate the flow of the story. For example for your version to connect with the prologue the scene where Emma gets pissed with Raphael because she was late to fetch the MC from the hospital. If that didn't show Emma as a horny bitch
Not necessarily. That could very well be put as Bossy attitude of Emma, who's cold towards Raph. Her horniness could be put as one of her powers that feeds her intense scent that makes others submit to her will, or a side effect of her scent.

However, point being made it's not about what dev will do or not with his VN. This was Me describing how this plot could have been crafted post Prologue.

Dev should do whatever he likes. If he's going to do another remake it's his choice. But at this moment Story is pretty messed up and more he shows Inessa without any plans to bring her back from dead, more spiraling the plot shall become.
 

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Not necessarily. That could very well be put as Bossy attitude of Emma, who's cold towards Raph. Her horniness could be put as one of her powers that feeds her intense scent that makes others submit to her will, or a side effect of her scent.
Another thing I don't understand is how is Emma still able to command angels she doesn't even interact with when her and Raphael (don't know about Azel/Azrael(??) o_O:WaitWhat:), left Heaven and pissed off the pissy Head Asshole ?? And why the fuck are there angels with black wings in Heaven ?? Aren't they supposed to be fallen angels or something ??:unsure:

You need 5 or more Devil points if I remember correctly. But on the safe side, just be on the devil route.
Thanks for clearing that up. Hope the MC's reaction is worth it, judging by the renders, coz as hot and fuckable as Emma may be, she's (so far) a shitty, delusional and very stupid mother. Her title as the most powerful goddess in existence is worth dick if her IQ is the size of an ant.:FacePalm:

The dev has to go back and change some things about the prologue so as to facilitate the flow of the story. For example for your version to connect with the prologue the scene where Emma gets pissed with Raphael because she was late to fetch the MC from the hospital.
Man, that stupid bitch probably believed her lil son was having a blast in hell, getting a tan, socializing with the bois, partying hard and fucking hoes daily, so her lusting after the MC shouldn't be called out of character or weird after all the stupid shit we've read in this update. If anything, it should be called in character and realistic storywise.:ROFLMAO:
 
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why the fuck are there angels with black wings in Heaven
Yeah dev should clarify about that. My guess would be that Emma isn't the only woman serving her husband and this so called God has more wives and concubines to sleep around or impregnate.

Maybe, Emma was his favorite or possibly the most powerful woman in his Heavenly Harem.

Emma is said to be able to control all living things including Archangels and Elders. However it's uncertain if she could manipulate God herself yet Elders cannot refuse her command and obey her despite God's orders.
 

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one thing i dont quite understand is, does this VN have LIs if so who are they exactly because so far no one really strikes me as a serious LI, Emma is a massive no, Raphael we have barely spoken to in 4 chapters, the other sister seems like one but again barely, Luna is in his head and Inessa is dead
 
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My guess would be that Emma isn't the only woman serving her husband and this so called God has more wives and concubines to sleep around or impregnate.
Yeah, that hypocritical fucker teaching humans how bad being in multiple relationships and fucking around is while he's a bigger manwhore than Zeus was (if he ever existed) would be a funny argument the MC could use against him, but I suspect the angels with black wings are either fallen or hybrid angels mentioned in the story, which raises the question, how were these hybrid angels born and why do they still listen to Emma when the Supreme Dickhead should theoretically be their only boss ??:unsure: But it's not like this would be the first plot hole or inconsistency we saw in the story, right ??:whistle:

Maybe, Emma was his favorite or possibly the most powerful woman in his Heavenly Harem.
Her being the most powerful goddess was specifically stated in the story on a few occasions, but we don't know if she was his favorite too. I mean, I can't blame the old dickhead if she was, she's hot AF, and it would explain why he'd still let her command his angels, but this would also imply that she could've used her feminine charms to at least make him ban the MC on Earth and seal his powers away instead of sending him to his death. Another plot hole is that at the time the Supreme Dickhead sent him to Hell, he never showed an ounce of potential, he couldn't even fly, so how did old idiot suspect he'd become that big of a threat to him ??:WaitWhat:

One thing's sure, the dev has a LOOOT of stuff to fix, address and redeem in this story if he actually wants ppl to support him and finish the game. I hope he'll do just that, coz like most of us here, I like the game, the renders alone make it worth the wait, but all those inconsistencies, ridiculous arguments and plot holes won't convince ppl it's worth supporting.

Emma is said to be able to control all living things including Archangels and Elders.
I know, and if that's the case, why didn't she control Azel to stop her from following her father's order ?? Azel claimed she ain't afraid of him, but she still did everything he ordered her to do, even if it meant condemning her so-called dear brother to a brutal death, so why not stop her and deal with the consequences afterward ?? Like I said, the more rational we think about the story, the stupider it'll become, and this is the games biggest minus.:cautious:
 

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we're barley getting into the plot jeezug patience, not everything is tap tap fap every 5 seconds and the best games arent like that. They tell a great story that just happens to also include sex
You're right on that. But do you really think this game has a great story so far?
 

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Hello folks.

I had an issue launching the game on Linux (tried multiple distributions : Mint / Arch / Manjaro) but it never worked.
I always had an error message in the terminal and the following error in the log :
Using "TheFallingReloaded.sh" :
Code:
Faled to initialize steam: OSError('/media/user/Kingston500/TheFallingReloaded-4.0-pc/lib/py3-linux-x86_64/libsteam_api.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory')
Using "TheFallingReloaded.exe" with wine :
Code:
Faled to initialize steam: FileNotFoundError("Could not find module 'D:\\TheFallingReloaded-4.0-pc\\lib\\py3-windows-x86_64\\steam_api64.dll' (or one of its dependencies). Try using the full path with constructor syntax.")
Seeing that the problem was related to Steam (or at least a Steam library), I tried something else.

In Steam I added the game using TheFallingReloaded.exe as a "non steam game".
In the game properties (still on Steam) I enabled compatibility with Proton Experimental (allows to run "windows" games on Linux) and launched the game via steam.
Not ideal but it works for me.

Hope this helps other people if they have the same issue.

Edit :

I submitted the issue and my solution to solve it temporarily to the Dev on his Discord channel.
He is not familiar with Linux but will try to solve the bug.
 
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