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drifter139

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What about the whole thing "Let's send him to hell for a few hours. Azel be a dear and show him the way." ... "Ok now Azel is back, let's make it permanent vacation"
I'd say that if someone tells you something to get what what he wants and immediately renege on it the moment he get's it count as big f*cking lie.

edit: sorry, was more in the headspace of the current update when Emma said "God never lied to them before" as he said MC is "fine" in hell, rather than understanding your post
np. I also wanna point out God could have given any reason as to why he would do this. angels, by most definitions are taught to never question God's word and while Emma is no doubt almost God's equal, her powers aren't like his meaning she can't simply go to hell if she wants. MC could be seen as almost being like Lucifer minus the rebellion part. with God's powers, he likely saw a future where MC would rebel against him and cause a war between angels who side with God and those who side with MC. we can basically sum this up to God being a massive pile of shit who deserves a cosmic beatdown while everyone watches with popcorn
 

Raziel_8

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Emma is no doubt almost God's equal, her powers aren't like his meaning she can't simply go to hell if she wants.
She has demon friends on earth (or she could have used her powers on any demon), Raphael and Azel has demon friends in college, they could have simply asked if they know something. The only angel in hell shouldn't be to hard to miss...mind you, they actually believed the MC ruled hell the entire time...smehow, as kid, with no powers...that would be pretty much impossible not to know for any demon.
God's powers, he likely saw a future where MC would rebel against him and cause a war between angels who side with God and those who side with MC.
If he know about that and MC's power, he is just as much as an morron as the ones which believed the MC was fine and happy in hell.
Why send him to hell for a slow, painful death, with the risk of him freeing himself/being freed (and having a granted wish for revenge) and not simply kill him ? I mean, he is the most powerful being in existence and has absolute control over space, he should be capable enough to make it look like a accident.
 

drifter139

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She has demon friends on earth (or she could have used her powers on any demon), Raphael and Azel has demon friends in college, they could have simply asked if they know something. The only angel in hell shouldn't be to hard to miss...mind you, they actually believed the MC ruled hell the entire time...smehow, as kid, with no powers...that would be pretty much impossible not to know for any demon.

If he know about that and MC's power, he is just as much as an morron as the ones which believed the MC was fine and happy in hell.
Why send him to hell for a slow, painful death, with the risk of him freeing himself/being freed (and having a granted wish for revenge) and not simply kill him ? I mean, he is the most powerful being in existence and has absolute control over space, he should be capable enough to make it look like a accident.
the reason most demons wouldn't know is due to them not being strong enough to go to hell. even the demon MC gets the book from isn't strong enough. I doubt half-demons would know anything. and for the God thing, he likely didn't care to look beyond a certain point after throwing MC into hell thinking he wouldn't be strong enough to kill his torturer let alone escape
 
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Yes, an adult VN needs some sexual content with the Li without disturbing the story continuity. Sadly, dev cannot write a better plot story
I don't know about others but yes even serious and gory plots can incorporate sex scenes to release some steam and tension.

I agree with you this would have been a better plot for Anti-Hero
Thank you. Development team could have made more money paying attention to the plot quality rather than scheming to piss off story lovers with several cheap tricks.
 
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Dios este juego cada vez me encanta mas, me gusta ver que la parte lasciva aun esta muy lejos de llegar y que la historia avanza y es el principal punto de enfoque (no voy a negar que quiero algo de accion con emma, pero No estoy desesperado porque esa parte llegue ya, prefiero que llegue cuando tenga que llegar, lento pero seguro)
 
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What about the whole thing "Let's send him to hell for a few hours. Azel be a dear and show him the way." ... "Ok now Azel is back, let's make it permanent vacation"
I'd say that if someone tells you something to get what what he wants and immediately renege on it the moment he get's it count as big f*cking lie.

edit: sorry, was more in the headspace of the current update when Emma said "God never lied to them before" as he said MC is "fine" in hell, rather than understanding your post
yep, what i can be better vacation than few centuries in hell :D
 

Raziel_8

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the reason most demons wouldn't know is due to them not being strong enough to go to hell. even the demon MC gets the book from isn't strong enough. I doubt half-demons would know anything. and for the God thing, he likely didn't care to look beyond a certain point after throwing MC into hell thinking he wouldn't be strong enough to kill his torturer let alone escape
Emma has a strong demon as friend, they send demons to hell to look for the MC.
Yeah, not many demons which can create portals, but demons have normaly other ways to come to earth, or how do you believe the demon the MC steals the book from came to earth in the first place, he ain't a half demon.

Then why even get rid of him thought, if he believed the MC posses no threat, he just could have ignored him in heaven, and by the first sign of being rebellious kill him.
I belive more he uses the MC as a bait for Azazel and hoped she would bite, but then who knows, i somehow doubt even the dev knows at this point.
 
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michael1984

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The only good thing out of this new update was Emma finally seeing what the mc went trough in hell

But its way too little way too late

She shouldnt have believed god saying the mc was just chilling in hell living as a king

Caus come on he got dropped solo as a child in hell no help or anything

How on earth would anyone believe god saying he was just chilling there :ROFLMAO:
 

Morho

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The only good thing out of this new update was Emma finally seeing what the mc went trough in hell

But its way too little way too late

She shouldnt have believed god saying the mc was just chilling in hell living as a king

Caus come on he got dropped solo as a child in hell no help or anything

How on earth would anyone believe god saying he was just chilling there :ROFLMAO:
hell is well known for his thermal baths
 
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I think 2 years of development and 4 chapters is more than enough time to expect the developer to have given a clear indication of where the story was headed.
not necessarily, considering this story is a whole 4 chapters into something much much larger we're barely out of the intro to be honest. As for 2 irl years, we dont know how much time whitebear has to work on this in any given day/week nor how much of his time is spent waiting on renders.
 
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Cirdon

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not necessarily, considering this story is a whole 4 chapters into something much much larger we're barely out of the intro to be honest.
On what basis are you determining that it's much much larger?

For all the (lack of) communication I've seen on the subject we could be on chapter 4 of 10 and thus 40% through the story.
 

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On what basis are you determining that it's much much larger?

For all the (lack of) communication I've seen on the subject we could be on chapter 4 of 10 and thus 40% through the story.
Ill admit whitebear isnt very chatty, and in fact he doesnt even read posts in this thread at all from what he's said. But considering what we have seen and done in the story so far this is just the opening section. But who knows we might end up with a situation like 'rising bliss' where the dev gets fed up with the bullshit and wraps everything up into one hyper truncated ending so he no longer has to deal with death threats over content that isnt even in his game. (as far as I know whitebear hasnt had to put up with death threats level harrassment yet, just to be clear on that, but that WAS the situation with rising bliss)
 

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But considering what we have seen and done in the story so far this is just the opening section
The according to his patreon, whitebear is a college student writing his first VN. I'm personally surprised he's stuck with it this long. I think you may be engaging in some wishful thinking to say that there's any clear indication that this is just the opening section.
 
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There are hundreds of games with all kinds of nonsense in F95. Most of you love to play these, but somehow, when it comes to "The Falling", you suddenly experience enlightenment and start to criticize some things. You laugh when Emma thinks we're okay in hell, but realize that this isn't the real hell you know. This is a fantasy story and in this story hell is a living space with kingdoms and society. You've already seen this in the first update and if you still say this is illogical, it's not as illogical as the harem game. If you believe in a story where a man takes every woman, try believing this too.
 
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Cirdon

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There are hundreds of games with all kinds of nonsense in F95. Most of you love to play these, but somehow, when it comes to "The Falling", you suddenly experience enlightenment and start to criticize some things. You laugh when Emma thinks we're okay in hell, but realize that this isn't the real hell you know. This is a fantasy story and in this story hell is a living space with kingdoms and society. You've already seen this in the first update and if you still say this is illogical, it's not as illogical as the harem game. If you believe in a story where a man takes every woman, try believing this too.
Nice attempt.

Nope.

If this developer had chosen not to utilize Judeo-Christian imagery, names and thus lore as their basis, you might have a point. But they did. They have, as you pointed out, created differences between mainstream Judeo-Christian lore and the developer's own version, none the less they are still weighed down by the place they started.

Then, the most egregious failures being discussed are some of the same things that players in lots of other games flame on about.

Internal inconsistency.

The first version of the first chapter was reworked a bit milder in the second chapter, but even with beginning that existed in chapter 3 (the last time I started from the beginning), the developer still has HUGE plot inconsistencies that pull me out of the game.

Their having beautiful models chosen and great renders created does not change this the basic fact that none of his female characters are the least bit attractive because of the story the dev has written. Not because the developer's hell isn't "real hell" of Judeo-Christian mythology.

If you want to ignore the story being told and enjoy yourself watching those sexual scenes that have been written, feel free. Some of us want the game to be something we enjoy in total, not just searching out the few sexual scenes.
 
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