VN Ren'Py Abandoned The Falling Reloaded [Ch. 6] [WhiteBear]

[burbero]

Nice attempt.

Nope.

If this developer had chosen not to utilize Judeo-Christian imagery, names and thus lore as their basis, you might have a point. But they did. They have, as you pointed out, created differences between mainstream Judeo-Christian lore and the developer's own version, none the less they are still weighed down by the place they started.

Then, the most egregious failures being discussed are some of the same things that players in lots of other games flame on about.

Internal inconsistency.

The first version of the first chapter was reworked a bit milder in the second chapter, but even with beginning that existed in chapter 3 (the last time I started from the beginning), the developer still has HUGE plot inconsistencies that pull me out of the game.

Their having beautiful models chosen and great renders created does not change this the basic fact that none of his female characters are the least bit attractive because of the story the dev has written. Not because the developer's hell isn't "real hell" of Judeo-Christian mythology.

If you want to ignore the story being told and enjoy yourself watching those sexual scenes that have been written, feel free. Some of us want the game to be something we enjoy in total, not just searching out the few sexual scenes.

I do not deny inconsistencies and contradictions. There are a few things that I don't like being handled as well, but in general, there is a lot of unfairness here. The basis of the story is Christian, it can reference the Jewish religion, after all, it was inspired by something in many popular fantasy movies. We don't need to carry wood to the fire of hell in the story just because the names of angels were taken from the Torah.

Let's face it, the story doesn't go the way we want it to (despite all objections).
An angel's desire for revenge, who was betrayed by his family and suffered greatly, appealed to all of us. However, the developer insists on turning the gold in his palm into coal. So what can I do? Nothing.
I still don't find it right to put so much pressure on the developer.

 

[Cirdon]

I still don't find it right to put so much pressure on the developer.

I do not know if the developer even reads this thread. I also do not want them to feel pushed to if they don't (which is why I, like you did not tag them). Any such commentary I put out into this thread it to warn fellow players, and to kvetch with fellow players who are equally unhappy, not to tell the developer to change it.

Personally I have no idea what the developer could do to make this "right" at this point. I am hoping that they started with a storyline/plan and they are sticking to it because I'm still morbidly curious to see if/how the developer pulls this together into something worthwhile.

 

[SuperiorManUltra]

There's too much trigger and fire going on in the thread, more than the game itself. Let's all cool down. This is a forum for discussing various aspects of the VN. Some things we like others we dislike and somethings we hate about the game process.

Some of us agree, some may disagree while some may be rebellious but all of us are equally invested in the VN. With time perhaps it'll change for some of us, but as of now we're.

Some positives : Lot of criticism done already;

• Model selection is pretty good both male and female (miss Jill still).

• Renders are high quality.

• Development team might be also good with animations (though not seen in VN) as well who knows.

• Initial story plot was near perfect,
  • And the Anti - Hero setting beginning his journey from dungeons of hell,
  • And gradually gaining powers to burn the wrong doers in heaven, was most intriguing and intimidating ground work. No matter who agrees or denies.

Negative : Yeah let's address the elephant once more.

• Story plot after prologue has been a constant disappointment for many story lovers.

• A horny mother who wasn't least bit bothered about her son being in hell, constantly hits on him.
• When she sees Big Red Scars all over him and instead of immediately feeling his suffering gets turned on by watching him.
• Like a whore goes about showing her cookies. (Concept of Emma's scents weren't discovered by dev yet).

• This immediately defeats the purpose of Emma /Mom as an Li. Also, players miss Inessa (Dead Hell Girl) character even more.
• Raph was going good cute and likable, but she was quickly played down and Azel became the limelight. Another disappointing character.

• Incoherent behavior of the MC. He says and does opposite things, from the new chapter onwards. His mood swings yes very much from one sentence to other.

• Lack of sexual content and meaningless options that lead to nothing good.

• Too many characters have been already developed but character development is going on the reverse.

Best course of action will be some alone time for our MC and his Ghost. Mostly away from his "Family", master some powerful black magic and create shadow demons out for taking control back in hell. Find those fallen angels and archdevils mentioned by the demon, try relocating Azazel's book, copy new abilities like mind control etc.
Prepare some action sequence for few updates without melodrama. Let players breathe. Emma isn't going to be redeemed instantaneously and forcing her down the throat isn't helping. Maybe bring back Inessa from the dead as Azel is Archangel of death. Thank you.

 

[Cirdon]

Best course of action will be some alone time for our MC and his Ghost. Mostly away from his "Family", master some powerful black magic and create shadow demons out for taking control back in hell.

I do not get this idea at all. He already went full scorched earth on Hell. I haven't done a new playthrough with Chapter 4, but nothing in the previous chapters indicate that hell was a powerbase. MC's father wanted him to return to hell, ordered him to do so via the only male angel we've met, why would he do something that his father wants?

 

[drifter139]

I do not get this idea at all. He already went full scorched earth on Hell. I haven't done a new playthrough with Chapter 4, but nothing in the previous chapters indicate that hell was a powerbase. MC's father wanted him to return to hell, ordered him to do so via the only male angel we've met, why would he do something that his father wants?

we've heard how Azel doesn't fear God. it's possible God thinks MC fears him enough to do as he commands

 

[michael1984]

I have to agree the females models look great nothing bad to say about that

Just the story has made them unlikeable

Even if we had sex scenes with them i wouldnt do it

Its very hard for me to dislike so many li in one avn

This is the first time i detested so many of them

 

[holaje12]

Trash tier LI and pretty graphics eh?. I see things havent changed at all since the last update I played. This is in a serious need of a REWORK. The girls are irredeemable, period, dev went too far with them. It is such a waste to have this models and having them being so unlikable. Go back, change a few lines of the story, a few line of dialogs, add 1-3 renders and make people actually care for them. It cant be that hard right? Because right now they just keep going forward with this trash tier LIs and hoping people just forget how much they suck by looking at some tits and asses.
Its like trying to cross a lake with a huge ass hole in your boat instead of taking your time to repair whats broken first.

 

[Morho]

Trash tier LI and pretty graphics eh?. I see things havent changed at all since the last update I played. This is in a serious need of a REWORK. The girls are irredeemable, period, dev went too far with them. It is such a waste to have this models and having them being so unlikable. Go back, change a few lines of the story, a few line of dialogs, add 1-3 renders and make people actually care for them. It cant be that hard right? Because right now they just keep going forward with this trash tier LI and just hoping people just forget how much they suck by looking at some tits and asses.
Its like trying to cross a lake with a huge ass hole in your boat instead of taking your time to repair whats broken first.

he would need probably rework more than few scenes or lines of text...whole premise was that he was bringed to hell by his "friend" to be tortured for centuries while other family just go on vacation to earth doesnt caring to even visit him on his century spa vacation.

that is why after his return to earth is doesnt making any sence, to be betrayed and abandoned and still wanted to be with that ppl...even if u choice to be bad on them ignore them atc...he still end with them like loving puppy.

 

[Faxe10%]

I don't understand why people have to waste their time with this game...The girls are all sluts and nobody cared about the torment our MC went through...The only sweet and loving person with MC was Inessa but she is was brutally murdered...Why the fuck!? I see so many angels around MC, all brothers and sisters...so it is assumed that MC's father has fucked the Milf in every orifice...many times...at this point I'm out...I will ignore the thread...lol.

 

[AL.d]

Trash tier LI and pretty graphics eh?. I see things havent changed at all since the last update I played. This is in a serious need of a REWORK. The girls are irredeemable, period, dev went too far with them. It is such a waste to have this models and having them being so unlikable. Go back, change a few lines of the story, a few line of dialogs, add 1-3 renders and make people actually care for them. It cant be that hard right? Because right now they just keep going forward with this trash tier LIs and hoping people just forget how much they suck by looking at some tits and asses.
Its like trying to cross a lake with a huge ass hole in your boat instead of taking your time to repair whats broken first.

There is no problem with having irredeemable characters in a story. On the contrary, it's that kind of betrayal that makes for interesting drama. The problem is that the game doesn't really treat them as such. Or at least give the players the option to do that. They are forced upon MC and he isn't allowed to react like any traumatized being would.

Hell he seems more distraught about the death of a chick he barely knew, than being forced to live and interact daily with the people who condemned him to eternal torture.

It's a pretty standard mistake for amateur writers. They have in their minds a future outcome they want to reach (in this case MC banging these angel chicks) and they will stretch and distort their story in order to get to it. Instead of building step by step on what they have already wrote based on character motivation like they should. What drives this MC when we first see him at the start of the game? Angst, betrayal and revenge. That motivation should have been the core of the story and yet it was soon abandoned like the dev never wrote it.

 

[Morho]

There is no problem with having irredeemable characters in a story. On the contrary, it's that kind of betrayal that makes for interesting drama. The problem is that the game doesn't really treat them as such. Or at least give the players the option to do that. They are forced upon MC and he isn't allowed to react like any traumatized being would.

Hell he seems more distraught about the death of a chick he barely knew, than being forced to live and interact daily with the people who condemned him to eternal torture.

It's a pretty standard mistake for amateur writers. They have in their minds a future outcome they want to reach (in this case MC banging these angel chicks) and they will stretch and distort their story in order to get to it. Instead of building step by step on what they have already wrote based on character motivation like they should. What drives this MC when we first see him at the start of the game? Angst, betrayal and revenge. That motivation should have been the core of the story and yet it was soon abandoned like the dev never wrote it.

he is not writer of story....voters are.

 

[AL.d]

he is not writer of story....voters are.

that would explain a lot. Like the gaming equivalent to camwhoring requests.

 

[michael1984]

Yeah the way the dev lets people vote on what the story should be in each update is just insane

Its like he did the first update himself

And the first update was great and nothing wrong with it

Then he decided to make polls to let people vote what comes after

And then it became a totally different story ... With a MC thats saying one thing and doing the exact opposite the next line

The thing is if the dev just made it a kinetic novel it would be at least slightly better since we have zero choises

But nope he gives the players choices but then the choices dont matter since the mc cancles those choices straight afterwards and acts like u never made a choice

I am not saying the whole game has to be dark like the first update

But man going from that to instantly a romance highschool bs story is just hard to make sense off

How on earth even will u make a emtionally unstable MC who was tortured for centuries make him join a college were he has to be cool calm and collected

That should have been a end story typ of thing

Cant even phantom how people actually voted for that straight after update 1

 

[| Vee |]

I played whole game from start to see if changes were made and to try to understand story better.

Spoiler: Points I noticed

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[holaje12]

There is no problem with having irredeemable characters in a story.

It is when those characters are supposed to be LIs and are supposed to end up in a loving relationship with MC. Which is what they are trying to do here. If this was a revenge story then yeah, go ahead and make them as unlikable as possible and then have them get fucked/killed later. If they were the antagonists or villains of the story then sure, make them irredemable, who cares. But the girls you are supposed to romance?? The fuck?? Dont know what the devs are thinking.
I hate when devs make the girls act irrational or/and like assholes just because they want some cheap drama. This shit happens in a lot of games but this one is one of the worst cases Ive seen, and much wasted potential too.

 

[| Vee |]

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[underoath27]

I don't understand why people have to waste their time with this game...The girls are all sluts and nobody cared about the torment our MC went through...The only sweet and loving person with MC was Inessa but she is was brutally murdered...Why the fuck!? I see so many angels around MC, all brothers and sisters...so it is assumed that MC's father has fucked the Milf in every orifice...many times...at this point I'm out...I will ignore the thread...lol.

But if they are angels, maybe MC's father didn't fuck the milf, instead, he created them, lol.

 

[drifter139]

But if they are angels, maybe MC's father didn't fuck the milf, instead, he created them, lol.

don't feed the troll

 

[SuperPerv96]

3rd woman. although we don't know if she gave birth or helped create him

This girl? what do you mean by "helped create him" its the mc an experiment?

 

[drifter139]

This girl? what do you mean by "helped create him" its the mc an experiment? View attachment 2682820

yes, that's her. as for the experiment thing. we don't know if she gave birth to him in the traditional way or in the biblical way where her and God just waved their hands and all angels were alive