Ren'Py Abandoned The Family Business: Parallel Universe | MiniGame - TechDemo [v1.11 FINAL] [Nemesia Productions]

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NemesiaProductions

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WOW I really really appreciate that. Btw, Will you guy have own Discord channel when the official is released?
P/s: I will become a Patreon of yours as soon as I get my first salary of new job at the end of next month (~ ̄▽ ̄)~
Wow, thanks mate. Really, its your first salary, spend it on yourself, we are gonna be here for a long time and you'll get tons of opportunities to support us anyway. Congratz on the new job by the way.
We are seriously considering a discord channel but like you said it will probably be open around the official release. We'll drop notifications everywhere when that happens though. Glad you are enjoying our content mate <3
 
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What can I say other than WOW. I spent the last few hours analyzing all of the posts in the thread and reading all of your responses, and I've got to say, you're off to a fantastic start in terms of sincerity and transparency (NEVER lose that). Having played the demo, it would be an understatement to say that I'm jittering with excitement for what's to come. The characters look flawless, and being a momma's boy, I can say without a doubt that Nicole is the 2nd best Mother character I've seen in a porn game EVER; Please give yourself a pat on the back for creating such a perfect angel.

With all of that said, I wanted to ask and request a couple of things.

1. I HATE Patreon... they don't accept certain forms of payment that I prefer to use, and they're notorious for censoring incest. Is there another way I can support you and your game financially? I'd be more than happy to PayPal you! Please let me know!

2. Please don't include ANY NTR for ANY of the family members; whether it's explicit, implied, avoidable, skippable, a nightmare, a skippable nightmare, or an avoidable/skippable nightmare, I BEG you not to include ANY of it. PLEASE!!!
- Having read through all of your replies, I struggled to find a definite answer as to whether or not you would include NTR in the game; at first it was "not unless we have to", and then it was "we have no plans to", but then it became "we'll do a poll for a close relative to fuck the girls in a sharing scene with MC". My request is simply for the game to not have NTR in any way, shape, or form whatsoever; no rape, no stealing, no sharing, no physical or verbal contact with any of the girls, not even another dude looking at them in a sexual way. Nicole is too precious to me, please for the love of everything good don't include any of it!
- I know that you plan on releasing a lengthy statement about NTR in a Dev-Diary soon, but I just wanted to give my feedback on the topic as a whole anyways. Although I may be just one person, I feel that each of us who speak out against it being in the game combined may give a perspective on why we despise it so much. I'm hopeful that you'll fulfill this request!

3. When you surpass your goals of patronage to the point where you dedicate yourselves full-time to this project, (I know you'll crush these goals with how you've interacted with us so far), how long do you estimate chapter releases will take in between each other and how much content do you plan to have in each chapter (average time of gameplay)?
- I know you hate this question, but I have a habit of thinking end-game really soon when I see a promising team with an outstanding game! :giggle:

I see your guys' project achieving levels higher than that of some of the most popular porn games, and with how awesome you've been so far with listening to criticism and feedback, that success can only be greater! I'm thrilled to be able to experience a future masterpiece so early in its life! Keep up the awesome work! You've got this! ;)
 

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What can I say other than WOW. I spent the last few hours analyzing all of the posts in the thread and reading all of your responses, and I've got to say, you're off to a fantastic start in terms of sincerity and transparency (NEVER lose that). Having played the demo, it would be an understatement to say that I'm jittering with excitement for what's to come. The characters look flawless, and being a momma's boy, I can say without a doubt that Nicole is the 2nd best Mother character I've seen in a porn game EVER; Please give yourself a pat on the back for creating such a perfect angel.

With all of that said, I wanted to ask and request a couple of things.

1. I HATE Patreon... they don't accept certain forms of payment that I prefer to use, and they're notorious for censoring incest. Is there another way I can support you and your game financially? I'd be more than happy to PayPal you! Please let me know!

2. Please don't include ANY NTR for ANY of the family members; whether it's explicit, implied, avoidable, skippable, a nightmare, a skippable nightmare, or an avoidable/skippable nightmare, I BEG you not to include ANY of it. PLEASE!!!
- Having read through all of your replies, I struggled to find a definite answer as to whether or not you would include NTR in the game; at first it was "not unless we have to", and then it was "we have no plans to", but then it became "we'll do a poll for a close relative to fuck the girls in a sharing scene with MC". My request is simply for the game to not have NTR in any way, shape, or form whatsoever; no rape, no stealing, no sharing, no physical or verbal contact with any of the girls, not even another dude looking at them in a sexual way. Nicole is too precious to me, please for the love of everything good don't include any of it!
- I know that you plan on releasing a lengthy statement about NTR in a Dev-Diary soon, but I just wanted to give my feedback on the topic as a whole anyways. Although I may be just one person, I feel that each of us who speak out against it being in the game combined may give a perspective on why we despise it so much. I'm hopeful that you'll fulfill this request!

3. When you surpass your goals of patronage to the point where you dedicate yourselves full-time to this project, (I know you'll crush these goals with how you've interacted with us so far), how long do you estimate chapter releases will take in between each other and how much content do you plan to have in each chapter (average time of gameplay)?
- I know you hate this question, but I have a habit of thinking end-game really soon when I see a promising team with an outstanding game! :giggle:

I see your guys' project achieving levels higher than that of some of the most popular porn games, and with how awesome you've been so far with listening to criticism and feedback, that success can only be greater! I'm thrilled to be able to experience a future masterpiece so early in its life! Keep up the awesome work! You've got this! ;)
Hello mate. Thank you so so much for your... well... essay on our game because calling this a ''post'' is understatement in every possible way. Reading something this well put together made us feel extremely happy and boosted our morale tremendously. I will try to answer everything you've written here but if you feel like there are still question marks, please feel free to ask away.

First of all, I'd like start with the transparent development process. It is one of the core values we believe in and we'd like to keep developing like that, integrating you guys to the production in every way we can by dropping Dev-Diaries, occasional polls and even forum interactions here. Hearing your thoughts is helping us shape our production to a level which can be enjoyed by most of you guys here. We will try to uphold this standard till the very end. We are even considering a very active discord channel in which you'll be able to reach us and see us work on the game via screen share occasionally. Also, we are glad that you've enjoyed our little demo and like how our characters looked. We hope you'll enjoy the upcoming characters and stories even more. Since you liked Nicole that much, I believe you'll also have a great time playing our OneShot game with her really soon.
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About the Patreon and other forms of payment, we are considering additional payment services like buymeacoffee and subscribe star. even itch.io but its still a bit early for us to go for them. Its mainly because the country we live in has strict tax and payment method limitations. Patreon was the easiest for us to use thus we've started using it. You've mentioned that you would even consider supporting via paypal, well, its great to hear however you don't have to go trough such a hassle really. An ''essey'' like this every once in a while is the greatest form of support we could hope for in the first place and we thank you so much again for that <3.

The NTR subject. Ah, the agony! :D All the jokes aside, this seems to be the biggest issue with most of the games out there. Like I've mentioned in a previous comment, there will be a huge wall of text about NTR in an upcoming Dev-Diary but since you've asked so nicely, I feel obliged to comment about it a little bit. We are %100 not going to include NTR concerning the ''Family Members''. Sharing on the other hand, we were revolving around the idea a little bit. Like that example with another male relative collaborating with the MC but even that was not welcomed. So, if we really really really want to include a scene with 2v2, 2v1 or any number of people except 1v1, we will strictly do it with a side character who will be completely optional and warn you in advance before starting her storyline. We might even consider making a separate storyline for her with no sharing and NTR if you guys like her but can't follow her storyline due to sharing and NTR. I hope this helps you to get rid of your suspicions about the subject. And also, we will not use dreams, nightmares and such in the main game.
-----On a side note, now that we have our secondary production line called ''OneShots'', we can experiment with extremes there without implementing them to the main storyline.

We can understand your desire to know what to expect with each update in the future but everything is so blurry in our lives right now and it would be pretty unwise to drop a statement about what we can and want to deliver. However, if you'd be so kind to accept a flexible answer like this, I can say that we are aiming for at least 200 renders every update minimum without including the animation, environment and extra renders. 200 minimum scene renders only. And for the release schedule, 2,2.5 months between each update is the best we can do right now. We are aiming to include OneShots, short stories, comics and additional content like those between the updates though. There are two big reasons behind those numbers. First is our IRL jobs. Even though they are freelance, we still have to pay the bills and feed ourselves. Second would be the hardware. If we can manage to focus on the game solely and upgrade our rigs, that 200 minimum can even rise to 500 or that 2,2.5 months between releases can drop to 1,1.5 or both can happen. Yet its still early to say something for sure. In general, we are planning a story that ''will'' go over 5 years IRL so, only time will tell what's going to happen.

Thank you so much for believing in us mate. We will do our utmost best to keep our promises and deliver an experience you can enjoy to the fullest. Feel free to contact us whenever you want mate. Cheers <3
 

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The NTR subject ...
From what I know you never said anything about if we can get all the girls at once in the main game (harem).

The NTR thing again let me say that the incest/harem fanbase is "one dick only" and that counts for all the girl available family member or side girl.

Your team is not working full time on the game yet so let me ask again are you sure that the non-canon side stories don't take too much time away from the main game, I mean you posted a few renders from the side game but there weren't any posts about the status of the main game. What is the planned timeframe for the updates (main game)? A month, two months, or more?
 
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From what I know you never said anything about if we can get all the girls at once in the main game (harem).

The NTR thing again let me say that the incest/harem fanbase is "one dick only" and that counts for all the girl available family member or side girl.

Your team is not working full time on the game yet so let me ask again are you sure that the non-canon side stories don't take too much time away from the main game, I mean you posted a few renders from the side game but there weren't any posts about the status of the main game. What is the planned timeframe for the updates (main game)? A month, two months, or more?
While understanding your concern about the NTR stuff, we really don't want to talk about the subject anymore since we've responded to it in every possible way and the only thing I could say at this point is, just wait for the Dev-Diary concerning it. As for the side characters, most of the games out there use the side characters as transition fuckbuddies while making the player grind for the main family members and most of the side characters are similar in those games. It all boils down to pretty vanilla stuff once you achieve a side character. We would like to use them a little bit differently by implementing different kinds of relationship opportunities with them. One might enjoy voyeurism while other one is fairly into BDSM. One of them might enjoy sex with multiple partners and one can get her ship floating by getting watched by the mc while having sex with another female etc. Implementing sharing or ntr depending on the side character allows us to spice up otherwise very vanilla experience. Now we understand that some of those kinks/fetishes are not for everyone and one might hate seeing, say, BDSM content. Thats why we are planning to make those characters optional and give the player a warning before starting that characters storyline. Depending on the player feedback we can implement additional storylines to certain side characters to keep the extreme kinks outside and turn it into vanilla in the future. A character who is naturally a DP fanatic to the very end can be turned into a vanilla fan with a couple of tweaks and extra scenes. Which can be implemented with choices so that the MC can decide between a group sex route or 1v1 route.

About the OneShots, we are currently finalizing the writing process of our main story which we've decided to write from scratch after releasing the demo because of the feedback we've got here and patreon. It was our main intention releasing the demo anyway so don't think this as ''They've changed up everything because of this thread''. We've written the baseline of the 5 years long story but details of the said story were left blank intentionally to be re-evaluated after the demo release. We are working a bit differently on the writing part. Writing the history of the characters first and branch out from those key points. You should know that Nicole(Mom) has a story from her birth to the start of the story which you will hear about occasionally. Same goes for every characters. Our characters are not existing only in the timeline you are playing the game. This allows us to craft a deeper personality for them but also give us the opportunity to create spin-off's or flashback scenes depending on their past experiences/histories. Thats also why we have younger versions of the Mom and Aunt designed.

Since we are in the writing/editing process of the main game, we are not rendering anything related to it. Which in return gives us time to work on the side projects. We assure you, those side stories won't hinder our development process for the main game. Thank you so much for your interest mate <3
 
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While understanding your concern about the NTR stuff, we really don't want to talk about the subject anymore since we've responded to it in every possible way and the only thing I could say at this point is, just wait for the Dev-Diary concerning it. As for the side characters, most of the games out there use the side characters as transition fuckbuddies while making the player grind for the main family members and most of the side characters are similar in those games. It all boils down to pretty vanilla stuff once you achieve a side character. We would like to use them a little bit differently by implementing different kinds of relationship opportunities with them. One might enjoy voyeurism while other one is fairly into BDSM. One of them might enjoy sex with multiple partners and one can get her ship floating by getting watched by the mc while having sex with another female etc. Implementing sharing or ntr depending on the side character allows us to spice up otherwise very vanilla experience. Now we understand that some of those kinks/fetishes are not for everyone and one might hate seeing, say, BDSM content. Thats why we are planning to make those characters optional and give the player a warning before starting that characters storyline. Depending on the player feedback we can implement additional storylines to certain side characters to keep the extreme kinks outside and turn it into vanilla in the future. A character who is naturally a DP fanatic to the very end can be turned into a vanilla fan with a couple of tweaks and extra scenes. Which can be implemented with choices so that the MC can decide between a group sex route or 1v1 route.

About the OneShots, we are currently finalizing the writing process of our main story which we've decided to write from scratch after releasing the demo because of the feedback we've got here and patreon. It was our main intention releasing the demo anyway so don't think this as ''They've changed up everything because of this thread''. We've written the baseline of the 5 years long story but details of the said story were left blank intentionally to be re-evaluated after the demo release. We are working a bit differently on the writing part. Writing the history of the characters first and branch out from those key points. You should know that Nicole(Mom) has a story from her birth to the start of the story which you will hear about occasionally. Same goes for every characters. Our characters are not existing only in the timeline you are playing the game. This allows us to craft a deeper personality for them but also give us the opportunity to create spin-off's or flashback scenes depending on their past experiences/histories. Thats also why we have younger versions of the Mom and Aunt designed.

Since we are in the writing/editing process of the main game, we are not rendering anything related to it. Which in return gives us time to work on the side projects. We assure you, those side stories won't hinder our development process for the main game. Thank you so much for your interest mate <3
Avoidable ntr with side characters? Then maybe it's better to remove that
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Here you go folks. The Dev-Diary NTR Special Edition. Please feel free to comment here or there. I know its a patreon link but don't worry. Its open to public. Non-supporters can read it too. As always, thank you for your support and interest <3

 
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I am glad that there is no ntr with family members.
I personally don't have any problems if ntr is with side character and if we have 2 routes even better, now my question is:

Will the routes be balanced?
What about sharing (MMF) with family members is planned? (i hope not)

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I am glad that there is no ntr with family members.
I personally don't have any problems if ntr is with side character and if we have 2 routes even better, now my question is:

Will the routes be balanced?
What about sharing (MMF) with family members is planned? (i hope not)

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sorry for my english
Since we currently don't have another male family member planned, it was all hypothetical anyway and most you can expect in the family is probably MFF. As for you question, routes will be balanced in terms of content like if route A has 4 scenes route B will have 4 scenes too. We will try to balance the content of those scenes too so no one will feel left out etc.
 
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Here you go folks. The Dev-Diary NTR Special Edition. Please feel free to comment here or there. I know its a patreon link but don't worry. Its open to public. Non-supporters can read it too. As always, thank you for your support and interest <3

Warning this post contains my personal opinion!

So I read your Dev diary and I get what you say but you say yourself that "We are not fans of NTR" so why do you think you can create "good" NTR content that is actually something I read before on this forum as a comment from an NTR fan because if you don't like the fetish you are probably not good in writing it so why include something that you don't like and are possibly bad at making just to please a small part of the fanbase.

Also do you really think that you will attract a big NTR crowd when you have what maybe 5% or 10% of your content NTR based? I don't think so but and I am being honest here even if I wanted to support you at the moment I can't do that because of financial reason but do you think that I as an incest/harem fan and NTR/sharing/swinging hater would support a Dev that in my opinion wastes time in producing content that I don't like even if it is only a small part of the game and I can tell you that I am not the only one that thinks so.
 

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Warning this post contains my personal opinion!

So I read your Dev diary and I get what you say but you say yourself that "We are not fans of NTR" so why do you think you can create "good" NTR content that is actually something I read before on this forum as a comment from an NTR fan because if you don't like the fetish you are probably not good in writing it so why include something that you don't like and are possibly bad at making just to please a small part of the fanbase.

Also do you really think that you will attract a big NTR crowd when you have what maybe 5% or 10% of your content NTR based? I don't think so but and I am being honest here even if I wanted to support you at the moment I can't do that because of financial reason but do you think that I as an incest/harem fan and NTR/sharing/swinging hater would support a Dev that in my opinion wastes time in producing content that I don't like even if it is only a small part of the game and I can tell you that I am not the only one that thinks so.
From your current and previous post I can see that you have a problem with time management and how the workforce is spent on the project but with all due respect, you shouldn't worry yourself with those mate. We are not aiming to gather thousands of players with 1 or 2 storylines of course but we also want to push ourselves, force ourselves to create outside our bubble. As you can imagine, one can not achieve advancement by doing the same thing everyday. Gotta try new things here, spice it up. Honestly, at this point we are really not interested in who thinks what since its virtually impossible to please everyone. There will always be loud ones about one matter yet there could be hundreds of silent supporters that doesn't care. Sadly this is how the world works most of the time. If someone likes something, that person rather keeps it to himself whereas if the said person didn't like a particular thing, he will move mountains to be heard.

Not speaking specifically about the NTR but lets... talk about Alice for instance. We currently have 33 patrons and I would like to imagine at least a thousands players have played the game. Actually, lets not include the thousand, only the 33 patrons. We haven't heard a single bad comment about Alice from them. If someone comes to this thread and says Alice is ugly, remove her from the game, should we listen to him?

And sayin that ''you don't like NTR so you will make a bad NTR content if you try to'' is somewhat discouraging to hear and not the kind of criticism we are looking for.

We've talked about the NTR stuff in the patreon post and like I've stated there, not supporting because we are producing extra content that you don't like sounds like not going to the restaurant that cooks your favorite dish just because they also have soup in their menu.

Thinking like the only customer(although I hate to use that term here for you guys) will result in frustration because you are part of an audience. There are many out there thinking like you or just the opposite. All I can say is, just wait for the official release before making a judgement.
 

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If you can balance content for ntr and non ntr each update you should be fine. As long as the dev is happy and the patrons are happy that's all that matters.
 
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NemesiaProductions people have different opinions, seeing another dick is also a ntr for many. so tell the crowd that only dick that touches the family members is MC's dick. And side characters are there for you to cater other people's fetishes like bdsm, sharing(mmf)..etc. And I understand that you are keeping sharing as optional right? There will be a route without sharing also. sharing is not equal to ntr and keeping sharing optional will satisfy both crowds the ones that want it and ones don't want it.
I mean I hope you understand that I am not suggesting something stupid or demanding you, I like you guys and I am a fan, this suggestion as keeping sharing optional will be the best choice. Thank you for being so interactive with us and answering even dumb questions we ask. I will try to support you once you open a subscribestar cuz I dont have anything other options than a debit card.
 
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NemesiaProductions people have different opinions, seeing another dick is also a ntr for many. so tell the crowd that only dick that touches the family members is MC's dick. And side characters are there for you to cater other people's fetishes like bdsm, sharing(mmf)..etc. And I understand that you are keeping sharing as optional right? There will be a route without sharing also. sharing is not equal to ntr and keeping sharing optional will satisfy both crowds the ones that want it and ones don't want it.
I mean I hope you understand that I am not suggesting something stupid or demanding you, I like you guys and I am a fan, this suggestion as keeping sharing optional will be the best choice. Thank you for being so interactive with us and answering even dumb questions we ask. I will try to support you once you open a subscribestar cuz I dont have anything other options than a debit card.
I can reassure you, Sharing and NTR will be completely optional and we will make sure that you will not see any content you don't like while playing the main story or the side stories. Family Members won't have NTR and Sharing. Side characters, depending on your choices can have NTR and/or Sharing as long as the characters personality allows it. Even then, you'll be able to chose non-NTR and non-Shared route. We will also balance both sides so that no one will feel left out.

Imagine this, MC is having a conversation with a female character and also there is another male in the environment. He leaves for a short time for whatever reason and she asks the MC if he wants to go somewhere quiet to have a good time. After deciding between yes and no, she asks you if you want to include that other male or lie to him to leave him out. If you lie to him, the scene will be a vanilla MF but if you include him it will start the sharing route(MMF).

Like I said, only the side characters will have those options. The Family strictly belongs to the MC and no one else will touch them. We will write it so. You guys definitely don't have to worry about that.

I understand that there's been some issues with other developers lying to their audiences and changing their content along the way. Naturally everyone here is on the edge about it and its really understandable but let me reassure you on one thing. We will not make changes like that ever. If we were to do something like that we wouldn't be interacting with you guys here and letting you know what we are doing in every possibility. We'd just be quite and do our thing while keeping you in the dark.

We are doing this for you guys and with your support. It wouldn't be possible otherwise so why would we deceive you? To guarantee our downfall? To lose our audience that ultimately helps us pay our bills and feed our families? We know that words can only go so far in terms of making you believe so we are just asking you guys to be patient and trust us on this. We will produce a game you will definitely enjoy with no worries about undesired content. <3
 

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I can imagine the future ahead
Mc's mom will have sex with Mc's best friend

ฉันชอบ NTR ... ให้มันเกิดขึ้นเส้นทาง A :ขำ:
Please do it .. yes i will be patreon .. may be the highest or medium price
Sorry to burst your little bubble but im guessing you didn't read this very important little detail.
Family Members won't have NTR and Sharing.
The Family strictly belongs to the MC and no one else will touch them.
 
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