Klx don't tell these people to read. What is this a school? Are you giving them an assignment? These folks came to fap till they can no longer have the option to read.
@lesbiaN7ncest
Since you are comparing this intro with a worst possible example it's obvious that you are just troll,but I'll bite.
You chose to compare a game that's been in production for a year to this intro which is just a demonstration of dev's skills to attract potential patrons and more patrons means more money,which buys better hardware so he can speed up rendering process and further his already top notch skills to deliver even better product.
The general plot of the game is written in the OP but it is expected to unravel itself as the game progresses,maybe we'll find out more in the next update,and so far there's nothing wrong with the pacing since this is just intro and here you are spewing bullshit and comparing it to BB which had a plot,but it went up in smoke the moment DS with his shitty writing and lack of knowledge of incest genre decided that NTR is a good idea.That decision had direct impact on pacing of the game which is as you would say "quite frankly abysmal".
I guess that Aorrta's decision to include sex so early is just to showcase his sex scene renders to the potential patrons and as I've said before he has the skills and knows his angles which is something DS couldn't figure out since he began developing BB.Even if I am completely off the mark in my guess who gives a fuck,we saw two women who enjoyed having casual sex(which is avoidable) with MC and on that small sample you with your clairvoyant abilities declared that all women in the game are "flat, personality-devoided sluts" without playing at least couple of updates,but conveniently forgot to mention that one of the main love interests a.k.a Mom is capable and independent woman who looks after herself and is involved in taking over her dead husbands business.That and the fact that you somehow managed to convince yourself that women in BB have defined personalities and traits which is quite ironic.They don't,they are "shallow fucktoys" who will fuck anyone who dangles some cash in front of them.
Your attempt to compare story,pace and character depth from the games you listed to Family Secret is laughable and pathetic and since I played five out of eight games from that list I'll comment only those ones.My Sweet Neighbours,Love and Submission,Fate of Irnia are just intros like Family Secret and have no real character depth you cling so much to.A Wife And Mother has female MC and it took 7-8 moths in developement so they can't be
compared.The Tyrant is a "shallow garbage" with a plot that has to be explained in the beginning of the game,otherwise it would be awkward when you find your mom in the kitchen being buttfucked by a gang leader and your stepfather standing behind the door ready to punch you in the face.The female characters are local cumdumsters soon to be yours,you can start in the morning with the mom.
Criticism is good when it's constructive,but in this case I don't think it's warranted since the game is in it's infancy and we experienced only fraction of it.Aorrta and other devs who are on this pirate forum are kind enough to provide us with information and communicate with us who in return rob them of theirs money and when they see shitposters like you especially when you come in droves,do you actually think that motivates them or alienates them,I think the answer is obvious.You just have to take a look at A Wife And Mother thread to see how a colony of ungrateful pricks who think that everything revolves around them can alienate dev.
This game could end up as best porn game or it could crash and burn which will make me look like an idiot but I stand behind everything I wrote in this essay and in the case that the game starts going in the direction I don't like I will just leave without whining and complaining since I get it for free and you should do it too since you've already expressed your feelings about the game and you can take the rest of the trolls with you.
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@Aorrta
Please buy mommy some pussy hair,she must be cold downstairs.
Since you are comparing this intro with a worst possible example it's obvious that you are just troll,but I'll bite.
You chose to compare a game that's been in production for a year to this intro which is just a demonstration of dev's skills to attract potential patrons and more patrons means more money,which buys better hardware so he can speed up rendering process and further his already top notch skills to deliver even better product.
The general plot of the game is written in the OP but it is expected to unravel itself as the game progresses,maybe we'll find out more in the next update,and so far there's nothing wrong with the pacing since this is just intro and here you are spewing bullshit and comparing it to BB which had a plot,but it went up in smoke the moment DS with his shitty writing and lack of knowledge of incest genre decided that NTR is a good idea.That decision had direct impact on pacing of the game which is as you would say "quite frankly abysmal".
I guess that Aorrta's decision to include sex so early is just to showcase his sex scene renders to the potential patrons and as I've said before he has the skills and knows his angles which is something DS couldn't figure out since he began developing BB.Even if I am completely off the mark in my guess who gives a fuck,we saw two women who enjoyed having casual sex(which is avoidable) with MC and on that small sample you with your clairvoyant abilities declared that all women in the game are "flat, personality-devoided sluts" without playing at least couple of updates,but conveniently forgot to mention that one of the main love interests a.k.a Mom is capable and independent woman who looks after herself and is involved in taking over her dead husbands business.That and the fact that you somehow managed to convince yourself that women in BB have defined personalities and traits which is quite ironic.They don't,they are "shallow fucktoys" who will fuck anyone who dangles some cash in front of them.
Your attempt to compare story,pace and character depth from the games you listed to Family Secret is laughable and pathetic and since I played five out of eight games from that list I'll comment only those ones.My Sweet Neighbours,Love and Submission,Fate of Irnia are just intros like Family Secret and have no real character depth you cling so much to.A Wife And Mother has female MC and it took 7-8 moths in developement so they can't be
compared.The Tyrant is a "shallow garbage" with a plot that has to be explained in the beginning of the game,otherwise it would be awkward when you find your mom in the kitchen being buttfucked by a gang leader and your stepfather standing behind the door ready to punch you in the face.The female characters are local cumdumsters soon to be yours,you can start in the morning with the mom.
Criticism is good when it's constructive,but in this case I don't think it's warranted since the game is in it's infancy and we experienced only fraction of it.Aorrta and other devs who are on this pirate forum are kind enough to provide us with information and communicate with us who in return rob them of theirs money and when they see shitposters like you especially when you come in droves,do you actually think that motivates them or alienates them,I think the answer is obvious.You just have to take a look at A Wife And Mother thread to see how a colony of ungrateful pricks who think that everything revolves around them can alienate dev.
This game could end up as best porn game or it could crash and burn which will make me look like an idiot but I stand behind everything I wrote in this essay and in the case that the game starts going in the direction I don't like I will just leave without whining and complaining since I get it for free and you should do it too since you've already expressed your feelings about the game and you can take the rest of the trolls with you.
P.S
@Aorrta
Please buy mommy some pussy hair,she must be cold downstairs.
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xD its not out yet aorrta had some problems and it will be available in few next days
What "top notch skills" are those exactly? Rendering and professional production values? Sure, I'll give you those. But outside of that I see no skill at all. Again, this game is void of any real substance.
I'm comparing the state of this game not to where all these other games are now, but the state they were in in their infancy with their first release. I also admit that BB isn't great and the writing isn't great, but it at least actually tries to have content, character and plot instead of being a bunch of thin, meaningless events with no realistic logic to just get the main character's dick wet.
It seems to me that you have more of an issue with the apparent "sacrilege" of somebody saying BB is better than anything else here. It took loads of updates before the MC in BB could fuck his family. Shit, it still hasn't even properly happened with the mother. She's been a hold out since the start. In the case of this game, you claim the mother is a "capable and independent woman" and the like but where's the evidence? You basically molest her instantly when she's resting on a plane and that's pretty much it.
All of these games do story, pace and character better than this one. You say it's laughable, but as I said in a previous post I defy you to define the characters in Family Secret at all. This game just makes every single woman in it look like a duck hungry slut whose only goal in life is to have sex, with the possible exception of the mother. Any good writing and characterization in anything needs to have reason, logic and pacing. These other games all have setup and they all have characters who have traits outside of your MC fucking them. You can argue about the quality from game to game, and I am by no means claiming that any of them are literary genius, but they at least have content, have actual story instead of just a string of moments to get you from one sexual situation to the next and seem to have a setting and players in that setting that aren't solely revolved around your character getting laid. As I said before, Family Secret isn't simply bad at this, it's completely devoid of it.
And overall even remotely decent writing is about a simple pattern: Setup --> Buildup --> Payoff
Most of these games at least understood this and generally just had Setup and maybe some buildup this early, realizing that most of the buildup and payoff come later. What does Family Secret have? Just Payoff. And several times at that. That's all this original slice is: straight to Payoff with no attempt to set things up properly and pace things at a decent rate.
Any criticism that has reason behind it is warranted, no matter how brief the content. There's a difference between people just ragging on something because they don't like the content itself due to personal preference and somebody pointing out the technical problems with it because they think its poorly done for its technical, structural, etc. aspects.
As far as I'm concerned I'd rather alienate him if he's going to make no effort to make anything of any substance. If he's willing to listen and learn, then I welcome that. If he takes the talents that he does at least obviously possess and then scraps this and goes back to the drawing board and use them to make something that's actually got some substance then I'll be happy. But if this is what passes for good game making these days (i.e. all flash and no substance) then I can go without him. Plenty of far less pretty games out there that don't look anywhere near as flash, but have it where it counts.
Unless this original slice is not in the original game at all and was just a taster to show renders, I can't see it being anything more than a very beautiful but ultimately soulless and shallow waste of time. I'll take a game that actually tries to have meaningful content and makes the experience engaging with at least an attempt and story, pacing and characters over something that has fantastic production values but pretty much nothing else going for it. To me this just puts across that we've got a character that's a borderline rapist going around and taking advantage of women in a universe where all women seem to be braindead bimbos addicted to dick and generally being slutty. In fact, it's almost more like this isn't set on planet Earth at all and instead takes place on another planet where there exists a species of creature that looks like attractive women but are really a barely sentient animal that becomes aroused at the sight of the human male.
Perhaps leave and then come back say around update 5? I mean I have a feeling you're going to dl every update, but feel free to continue posting.
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Also yeah, you might want to chill out on your love for A Wife and Mother some before it inevitably bites you in the ass.
Great game, but yeah myself and others had to depledge that shit because dev is flaky as fuck and throws tantrums when someone talks about games that do stuff better than his, trustworthiness has to go a long way when trying to get support.
Doesn't exactly bode well for long term development.
Great game, but yeah myself and others had to depledge that shit because dev is flaky as fuck and throws tantrums when someone talks about games that do stuff better than his, trustworthiness has to go a long way when trying to get support.
Doesn't exactly bode well for long term development.
MSN also had a very small first update. The tyrant has a small first update. DoD had a small first update. All of the games that I have played other than Wife and Mother (which took 8 months) had a small first update that didn't really tell you much other than presenting a proof of concept. You're essentially saying you wish the game was longer so that the characters could be fleshed out more than they were. In this market you need to give people something they want. What people want is some lewd content, great renders, and having the player wanting more. You have the outline but now you need to beef it up which looks like what is going to happen with the first update seeing as he is adding characters and getting it ready to build the foundation.
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I don't understand all the negativity here. The game had a stunning intro so far and the independent christmas episode. We are already on page 30 after just one version of the main game. Seems to me @Aorrta did a lot right and people got hooked.
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Sky is blue, water is wet, etc etc.@klx sorry for spamming your notifications man, but you spilling nothing but truth
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@lesbiaN7ncest 's criticism is getting too much backlash. He has a point. Where I agree is that this demo has very little logic behind it's possible scenarios.
I don't believe he's trolling or hating. He's pointing out it's flaws at it's early stages. It's comparisons to other games are debatable. I'm not gonna pull the pin on that grenade. But the scenarios are really head scratching and void of necessary build up.
Example: You caress your mother, so either the passenger or the stewardess sees this and automatically has it in their mind to fuck you. No protection. No reason. No nothing. But you're a kinky teen who loves his mommy. That's literally it. It's all payoff with no buildup as he said.
Example 2: The passenger route has the opportunity to force her into anal sex (which is there why exactly? I don't know) and she acts surprised and angry by that. Why? She called an absolute stranger to fuck her, did she not? Did she not see this as one of many negative outcomes of inviting a stranger for sex? Then her boyfriend knocks him out and proceeds to lie for him instead of snitching about his attempted rape. What happens next? You get in the stewardess's panties. Mind you all that commotion should've alarmed the mom and the stewardess beforehand, but they were apparently nonexistent when it mattered.
Read example 2 clearly and show me the logic in that whole scenario.
I'm all for sex scenes in demo versions. But it could have made so much more sense. Like have the MC and his girlfriend have sex one last time before he and his mom go on the flight. Have them discuss the flight. Give them proper characterization. A proper foundation to build on later for later updates. Make it meaningful. Make it add something to the characters. There was none of that. You have sex with strangers after either caressing your mother as she slept or after attempted anal rape. All this while he has a girlfriend mind you and doesn't even question his actions if memory serves.
It's low, if not totally void of any actual characterization and logic in it's early stages. It quickly forces pussy and tits in your face without leaving much to the imagination nor any fulfillment whatsoever. Will this change, as everybody so adamantly claims it will? Only time will tell.
I do love it's presentation. But the writing has to at least be close to par, cause right now, the presentation is masking it's early writing flaws.
I don't believe he's trolling or hating. He's pointing out it's flaws at it's early stages. It's comparisons to other games are debatable. I'm not gonna pull the pin on that grenade. But the scenarios are really head scratching and void of necessary build up.
Example: You caress your mother, so either the passenger or the stewardess sees this and automatically has it in their mind to fuck you. No protection. No reason. No nothing. But you're a kinky teen who loves his mommy. That's literally it. It's all payoff with no buildup as he said.
Example 2: The passenger route has the opportunity to force her into anal sex (which is there why exactly? I don't know) and she acts surprised and angry by that. Why? She called an absolute stranger to fuck her, did she not? Did she not see this as one of many negative outcomes of inviting a stranger for sex? Then her boyfriend knocks him out and proceeds to lie for him instead of snitching about his attempted rape. What happens next? You get in the stewardess's panties. Mind you all that commotion should've alarmed the mom and the stewardess beforehand, but they were apparently nonexistent when it mattered.
Read example 2 clearly and show me the logic in that whole scenario.
I'm all for sex scenes in demo versions. But it could have made so much more sense. Like have the MC and his girlfriend have sex one last time before he and his mom go on the flight. Have them discuss the flight. Give them proper characterization. A proper foundation to build on later for later updates. Make it meaningful. Make it add something to the characters. There was none of that. You have sex with strangers after either caressing your mother as she slept or after attempted anal rape. All this while he has a girlfriend mind you and doesn't even question his actions if memory serves.
It's low, if not totally void of any actual characterization and logic in it's early stages. It quickly forces pussy and tits in your face without leaving much to the imagination nor any fulfillment whatsoever. Will this change, as everybody so adamantly claims it will? Only time will tell.
I do love it's presentation. But the writing has to at least be close to par, cause right now, the presentation is masking it's early writing flaws.