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WindySakura

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I prefer playing as a good guy. I don't mind playing the good guy and getting less fun bits or even taking longer to get there. So long as I eventually get there, if being a good guy is available but means no fun bits then I probably won't even bother to play the bad guy route. I have played games where I'm the bad guy with or without a good guy route, don't get me wrong. But if you are telling me that guy guys can't get some at all I won't bother with the bad guy route.
 
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It's like buying a Playboy and then pretending you only read the articles. mmhmm... yep, definitely only buying Playboy for the articles....
 
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WindySakura

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It's like buying a Playboy and then pretending you only read the articles. mmhmm... yep, definitely only buying Playboy for the articles....
I wouldn't buy a playboy for the articles, it is obviously the images I would want to see if I get one. But it really depends on why I'm playing the game. I play games mostly for the story and I prefer stories of love over stories of rape. I have also played games just for the funny bits, say Incubus City. On that game I did it all, the game wasn't for the story for me it was all for my Impregnation Fetish, that was the reason I downloaded it.

I hate most of the Japanese RPGs with female protag cuze those are mostly lose to see the MC being raped. It isn't really the rape that is the problem itself, the problem is I can't win and still get to see sex. One that was good was Violated Heroine, you could win every single battle and still have sex around because you/MC wanted to. And sure if you do lose you get raped but I don't mind it there cuze it isn't just rape that is available.

If I can play this game and be a good-ish guy and get the girl(s) why wouldn't I do it? It is what will bring me more enjoyment. I might or might not play other routes, I don't necessarily ignore them, but isn't guaranteed I'll play them either.
 

Blargher

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It's like buying a Playboy and then pretending you only read the articles. mmhmm... yep, definitely only buying Playboy for the articles....
I don't think this can be accurately used when it comes to games. I play games if they're GOOD, irrelevant of if they are good guy or bad guy. If it's just for the porn, then well I will just go to pornhub or something. I don't play these games for the erotic scenes. I play them cause I enjoy the story and characters.

And if they have both a good route and bad route I will likely pick a good route first as I play as how I would generally be. I'm not one to go out of my way to be an asshole or sleazeball. However, considering this is the game I always check all content usually or all content I can find. I like seeing everything. unlocking all endings, etc.. if the game interests me.

Also I'd never buy a playboy, lol as you're right in that comment if you buy a playboy you aren't buying it for articles.
 

Dragon59

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I prefer playing as a good guy. I don't mind playing the good guy and getting less fun bits or even taking longer to get there. So long as I eventually get there, if being a good guy is available but means no fun bits then I probably won't even bother to play the bad guy route. I have played games where I'm the bad guy with or without a good guy route, don't get me wrong. But if you are telling me that guy guys can't get some at all I won't bother with the bad guy route.
If I can play this game and be a good-ish guy and get the girl(s) why wouldn't I do it? It is what will bring me more enjoyment. I might or might not play other routes, I don't necessarily ignore them, but isn't guaranteed I'll play them either.
I've found that I prefer games where I can be a good guy as well. I don't have a desire to role-play a psychopath. It's sort of like Penn Jillette's take on morality without religion (Pen Jillette rapes all the women he wants to):
Penn Jillette said:
The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what’s to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn’t have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. I don’t want to do that. Right now, without any god, I don’t want to jump across this table and strangle you. I have no desire to strangle you. I have no desire to flip you over and rape you. You know what I mean?
I've tried playing some of the bad guy/psychopath games and I don't find them fun. Often, they make me feel more stressed.I play these games to have fun and relax.
I don't think this can be accurately used when it comes to games. I play games if they're GOOD, irrelevant of if they are good guy or bad guy. If it's just for the porn, then well I will just go to pornhub or something. I don't play these games for the erotic scenes. I play them cause I enjoy the story and characters.
Exactly! I understand some people apparently use these games as "fap material," but they don't do enough to stimulate that part of my brain. I'm more likely to get emotionally involved in these games, perhaps stimulating the libido enough for me to be interested in more, but the games are not enough on their own. If I need a solo orgasm, I'll go to PornHub or the like. Even on porn sites, I'd rather have a bit of story, emotional connection, to hook me in.
 

Dragon59

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So their problem isn't people preferring to play as good guys, their problem is the option to avoid rape existing?
Possibly the need to feel he's not alone, that most or all of us seek this content as well, that exploring dark fantasies are the point of the AVN genre and the rest of us are not doing it right.
 

WindySakura

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Possibly the need to feel he's not alone, that most or all of us seek this content as well, that exploring dark fantasies are the point of the AVN genre and the rest of us are not doing it right.
The point IS fulfilling fantasies, it just so happens not everyone got the same fantasies. I have played rape-fest games, but only a few of them were fun for me. I mostly want feels good stories. I gotta say if I did had the ability to subjugate all developers to make only stuff I would like every single male would cease to exist, only females and/or futas would exist, and everyone would at some point be pregnant.

But I can't expect that to be the case and I won't go around complaining if something isn't to my liking. I might ask if the NTR content is avoidable or not if it isn't already clear but I won't go on a tirade about NTR making the game unplayable for me or something. I'll just avoid it and go on my merry way.
 

Dragon59

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The point IS fulfilling fantasies, it just so happens not everyone got the same fantasies. I have played rape-fest games, but only a few of them were fun for me. I mostly want feels good stories. I gotta say if I did had the ability to subjugate all developers to make only stuff I would like every single male would cease to exist, only females and/or futas would exist, and everyone would at some point be pregnant.

But I can't expect that to be the case and I won't go around complaining if something isn't to my liking. I might ask if the NTR content is avoidable or not if it isn't already clear but I won't go on a tirade about NTR making the game unplayable for me or something. I'll just avoid it and go on my merry way.
WE HAVE AN ADULT HERE!
 

Blargher

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WE HAVE AN ADULT HERE!
They do exist! *audible gasp*

I've found that I prefer games where I can be a good guy as well. I don't have a desire to role-play a psychopath. It's sort of like Penn Jillette's take on morality without religion (Pen Jillette rapes all the women he wants to):

I've tried playing some of the bad guy/psychopath games and I don't find them fun. Often, they make me feel more stressed.I play these games to have fun and relax.
I don't mind playing a "bad guy", I really can't get behind a psychopath though. Maybe more of an anti-hero/vigilante than bad guy. As generally we're always a hero in video games so when we can play a "villian" it is intriguing to me. Just like how I always tended to pick a female protag in games because back in the day most protags were all male. (now both of these are less a rare thing nowadays of course.)

I know too many people in real life who have been raped to enjoy seeing that in a game. I'd love to see those rapists suffer for what they've done to people I care about, so its very much a turn off for me. But I also won't condemn a game for having it or ntr either. I'll just avoid that, and done right it does fit story sometimes. I've played a couple games where rape was part of a character's backstory, done well and even held true to some characteristics of real life victims. (and so far I think the darker side of the past in this game was done well so this is not a jab at this game by any means!)


We all play games differently or for different reasons. There isn't a truly end all reason to play a game. I, for example, (going on video games in general) hate sports genre. I have zero interest in playing a football, basketball, etc.. so I just avoid them. Doesn't mean they should not exist or there is only one way to enjoy them.
 

Dragon59

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They do exist! *audible gasp*
Will wonders never cease! I almost apologized. His post just sparked that thought after we've been dealing with one "Filius Canis" after another (DeLuca Family reference).
I don't mind playing a "bad guy", I really can't get behind a psychopath though. Maybe more of an anti-hero/vigilante than bad guy. As generally we're always a hero in video games so when we can play a "villian" it is intriguing to me. Just like how I always tended to pick a female protag in games because back in the day most protags were all male. (now both of these are less a rare thing nowadays of course.)
Yeah, I've played a few characters of questionable conscience. They don't all have to be "pure heroes." In some cases, the MC starts as a creepy perv, but eventually tries to do the right thing.
I know too many people in real life who have been raped to enjoy seeing that in a game. I'd love to see those rapists suffer for what they've done to people I care about, so its very much a turn off for me. But I also won't condemn a game for having it or ntr either. I'll just avoid that, and done right it does fit story sometimes. I've played a couple games where rape was part of a character's backstory, done well and even held true to some characteristics of real life victims. (and so far I think the darker side of the past in this game was done well so this is not a jab at this game by any means!)
You and me both. I was never definitively raped by my abuser, but there was abuse of a sexual nature. An uncomfortably large number of my past lovers had been raped at one point in their lives. One was so abused she developed DID to protect herself. Among my long term partners, at least 75% had been raped. Yeah, I played the prequel to Black Heart Hotel and I had to fast forward--it was too disturbing for me. I think it is AOA Academy, some of the guys are complaining that too many women have rape in their backstory. I wanted so much to respond to that. I think the number in game 3-5, I don't remember which. I've tolerated a certain level of sleep molestation, as long as there's a lot more to the game than that. Even then, there are limits.
We all play games differently or for different reasons. There isn't a truly end all reason to play a game. I, for example, (going on video games in general) hate sports genre. I have zero interest in playing a football, basketball, etc.. so I just avoid them. Doesn't mean they should not exist or there is only one way to enjoy them.
Very true. I was there for the anti-video game push after Columbine. I'm also aware of some studies that have suggested that porn and video games can act as a pressure release valve, keeping people more balanced, and lower the likelihood of them expressing those anti-social urges in the real world.

I expect some people play the sports games because they used to play in thier youth, and/or want to imagine what it would have been like to be in professional sports.

For me, I never got my Big Poly Commune®. That may be why I play these games!
 

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I'm enjoying this conversation, but I don't want to add to it, as it may reveal directions the story is going. I will continue to have multiple paths for multiple outcomes. I'm planning to eventually start dropping options, if you continually choose the opposite choices (like in Being a DIK), but I don't think that will start until chapter 4. If you keep making α choices, then β choices will stop showing up, and vice versa (which, now that I think about it, is exactly like BaD).

My next two game ideas are very different from this one, and from each other, actually. Although one of them deals with a date rape scenario, it isn't done in a glorified way, like the rape in this game. If I do a good enough job on this game to keep support for future games, I hope you'll try out what I have in store for the next one. I'll give more information for the next game, as I get closer to finishing this one... which will hopefully be this time next year, I guess. Sooner, if I can get a new computer.
 
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I made a new poll. This time it's about what choice you made with the key. Did you hide it, copy it, or hold onto it ("confront Big John")? Your choice made a difference in what Julia told you happened with her run-in with Big John. It'll have a much bigger impact in chapter 2 and beyond.

I should warn you, if you hid the key without making a copy (the top choice), the path will not be complete until the rest of the game is. It will go into chapter 3, but the split in chapter 3 will be on hold. There will be a warning in chapter 3, and perhaps in chapter 2 which will give the ability to jump back in time to change some options which could lead to that path. I feel that jumping to the key choice would be too far to jump, though. The release of 0.02 will include a warning on the choice screen. I'm telling you now, so if you hid the key, you might want to go back and change that decision.

Was that clear? I'm not sure... In chapter 3, the game will split into three paths. Two paths will continue on, but the third path will stop being written until I've finished the rest of the game. Similar to what Killer7 is doing with My New Family (harem route is being completed, then solo routes will be written). The third route is the only route you can follow if you hide the key without a copy. You can get the third route if you still have a copy of the key, but if you don't, there's only one path forward. I don't want to explain more than that, because it will reveal too much.

I hope you all understand.
 

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I love playing the bad guy in porn games. For this is not found anywhere else. And the opportunity to play the bad guy even in such games is very rare. But a bunch of games with vanilla walkthrough, and although they are not bad, they just got tired of the same thing. I want at least some variety.
So I am all for the variability of this game.
 

Dragon59

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I made a new poll. This time it's about what choice you made with the key. Did you hide it, copy it, or hold onto it ("confront Big John")? Your choice made a difference in what Julia told you happened with her run-in with Big John. It'll have a much bigger impact in chapter 2 and beyond.

I should warn you, if you hid the key without making a copy (the top choice), the path will not be complete until the rest of the game is. It will go into chapter 3, but the split in chapter 3 will be on hold. There will be a warning in chapter 3, and perhaps in chapter 2 which will give the ability to jump back in time to change some options which could lead to that path. I feel that jumping to the key choice would be too far to jump, though. The release of 0.02 will include a warning on the choice screen. I'm telling you now, so if you hid the key, you might want to go back and change that decision.
One of the choices involved making a copy? I guess I didn't read carefully enough. I'll have to do it again! EDIT: I didn't realize I didn't look into that option. I'm now at "I hid the key, but made a copy of it.."
Updated the link in OP.


Shit... three posts in a row by me. :cry:
I don't think we mind. If anyone has the right to post multiple times here, it's you.
 
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