HTML The Good Son [v0.9.2] [Lobsterman9999]

[SexyLump]

A truly unique game would have the MC want to be a sissy and then put up roadblocks (people or situations) that have to be overcome by the MC for the MC to achieve his goal of transformation. In short, the opposite of all the sissy games available so far. Perhaps this is too hard for any dev to try to tackle. I wouldn't think it'd be that hard to write, but it's kind of odd that no one has even tried. Yet.

That sounds like neat idea, but it has one considerable drawback. It would be much harder to do a proper progression in it. Like when MC starts to have increasingly feminine thought, dreams, ideas. If he's initially receptive, his first crossdressing experiences would be less embarrasing, etc. He'd be attracted to males from the start as well, if we're planning to include m/m or bisexual experiences in the game. So that doesn't leave much in terms of progression.
Unless it's reverse progression as well. Something like this:
You live in fictional sexually repressive country, that finds anything beyond masculing males, feminine females and m/f interactions as wrong, and will try to cure you, if you're outed. You start with high feminity choice options from the get go, but if you're too forward, your ideas are revealed and you're assigned to mandatory psychiatric course that tries to straighten you out. They show you vanilla hypno videos (horror), and you're starting to abandon your crossdressing and your m/m ideas. You start having strange compulsions and dreams where you have vanilla missionary sex with females, and you wake up in cold sweat. So you have to balance your decisions in order to not get cured into straight cisgender properly dressing young man, which would be bad end. And proper route would be getting so good at crossdressing that people wouldn't recognize you as male, and you'll have to find willing partners, that won't out you to authorities. Gaying out initially straight dudes would be extra hot imo, you'd become so good at crossdressing that your love interest get head over heels for you, but then you suddenly reveal that you're a boy and your partner would have strong dilemma what to do, but he already loves you too much and goes selective bi-mode just for you <3.

 

[AWolfe]

If you're looking for voluntary game well done, i can't recommend you enough Down and Out with Paris and Marion. Granted MC isn't very willing from the start, but is persuaded with teasing and guiding, instead of coercing and blackmail. Almost every fetish is avoidable and your route is result of your own actions.

That game was abandoned (nearly 2 years ago) after less than a year of development.

 

[SexyLump]

That game was abandoned (nearly 2 years ago) after less than a year of development.

Yeah, i know, and that's sad. On other hand, show me good completed sissification game.

 

[HarveyD]

That sounds like neat idea, but it has one considerable drawback. It would be much harder to do a proper progression in it. Like when MC starts to have increasingly feminine thought, dreams, ideas. If he's initially receptive, his first crossdressing experiences would be less embarrasing, etc. He'd be attracted to males from the start as well, if we're planning to include m/m or bisexual experiences in the game. So that doesn't leave much in terms of progression.

The thing here is that you're trying to make it a GAME, so you're adding in unneeded linear progression. However if you look at is a STORY involving a young person discovering their fantasies and sexuality then it doesn't need progression. Just interesting story elements.

Gaying out initially straight dudes would be extra hot imo, you'd become so good at crossdressing that your love interest get head over heels for you, but then you suddenly reveal that you're a boy and your partner would have strong dilemma what to do, but he already loves you too much and goes selective bi-mode just for you <3.

This gets Trans people killed. So maybe no?
Whilst I realise it's fine to have whatever fantasy you like, it just seems bad taste.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

The bigger question is why every game assumes that the MC won't wish to become a sissy of their own free will. Sans any coercion. I think I can answer that. It's because in any good story there needs to an antagonist to pit the protagonist against. There needs to be some sort of conflict. So devs are opting for the easy, obvious solution and creating initially unwilling MCs. A truly unique game would have the MC want to be a sissy and then put up roadblocks (people or situations) that have to be overcome by the MC for the MC to achieve his goal of transformation. In short, the opposite of all the sissy games available so far. Perhaps this is too hard for any dev to try to tackle. I wouldn't think it'd be that hard to write, but it's kind of odd that no one has even tried. Yet.

To lobster-man, sorry for hijacking your thread. I do like your game. But it, too, is a variant of the MC-is-forced-into-transformation-due-to-fear (of someone or something) genre. In Secretary it's fear of job loss. In TGS it's fear of dad being killed by the mob. There are no games existent that don't employ fear (or outright force) as the fundamental driving motive for transformation.

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I could not agree with you more! As someone from the LGBTQ+ community I can think of many things and people that could be Antagonistic to a willing Sissy. Why? because I KNOW a young WILLING sissy that proactively went looking and found a "Mommy" to teach him... She HATES most sissy games and my balls still hurt from when she kicked them weeks ago because I introduced her gurl to "Negative and Toxic examples of Sissification" I can hear ringing in my ears again just remembering the half hour lecture I received.

I've started looking into HTML to make my own game, But I'm lazy...

Oh right this is Lobserman's game thread... Ah haha Sorry LM! But you know I love you and your game.

I think the reason fear is used is because it's so easy to write, because it's the fear that gives the writer a thrill experiencing and fantasizing about... IMO

I always figured there was at least a tiny assumption, on the developers part, that those story elements needed to be there to get some guys to play the game. They wouldn't possibly play a game about someone willingly becoming a sissy or trans. But if they were forced? Well, that'll hit all the buttons on their fantasies, right?

Right? hmm... I guess it's that dirty little secret that they want to keep on the "Down Low"

No worries, hijack away! It’s a fascinating question. I think many people who enjoy sissification and feminization live their lives as regular masculine, heterosexual guys. I know I do! So it’s fun to fantasize about forces beyond your control pushing you out of your comfort zone.

But I think your proposal is fascinating. I’m imagining a game that you’re an 18 year old boy, and the early game is super vanilla, but one day you stumble upon reddit/r/sissies. And your disgusted. But intrigued. You start on your own journey of sissification. Your barriers are your own inhibitions (solved through baby steps and hypno), your mother and sister finding out, and your low access to sweet, sweet cash.

That could actually be a really fun game!!! Don’t tempt me

Again I can't Disagree. I think there's an element of envy? The whole grass is greener thing. "would I be happier as a woman" "Look how beautiful and attractive they are" Personally I wish I could be a Futanari so the whole Sissification/feminization thing is fascinating to me.

That's sounds very much like My Destiny (previously Blown wind) But I like your idea non the less.

Or the MC could discover GZone95 while looking for the source of a 3DCG video he found on PorNexus...

(Yep, I found F95 via finding vid captures posted to PornHub. Before that I hadn't known there were such things as porn games.)

For me it was "The Company" that got me into F95 then "Whoremaker" got me into Sissification and Hypno Porn. I don't think it works but I can't get enough...

Funny thing though because A few years back I went down a deep, dark and disgusting rabbit whole about sissification, forced body mutilation, long term organism denial and "blue balled" castration, specifically female castration and circumcision. We live in a dark and horrible world. DAMN YOU 4CHAN! WHAT IS SEEN CANNOT BE UNSEEN! So when I stumbled across sissification again it was with morbid fascination.

In my case it was a comment about ToA I found while browsing reddit (or possibly tumblr?) for various kinks of mine that got me intrigued and subsequently made me hunt down a reliable source for it.

?ToA?

 

[Hordragg]

Again I can't Disagree. I think there's an element of envy? The whole grass is greener thing. "would I be happier as a woman" "Look how beautiful and attractive they are" Personally I wish I could be a Futanari so the whole Sissification/feminization thing is fascinating to me.

Would I be happier as a woman? I don't know. Women are still disadvantaged, even in western societies. But I certainly would love to look as beautiful and attractive as one. So, there's that.

?ToA?

Tales of Androgyny – which isn't about feminization but rather a female looking hero questing through a fanatsy world mostly filled with dickgirls.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

Yeah, I don't like involuntary feminization as well. Not to meantion that most games implement it in a very silly way, that both doesn't make any sense and completely criminal. I think i played only 1 game where actual criminals abduct MC and feminize him with coercion, and i didn't like it one bit, was too brutal and repulsive. Most devs resort to some overused tropes like blackmail, or higly dominant GF that MC can't leave simply because there isn't any other content in a game :/ Result is usually some very strange and nonsensical hybrid between voluntary and involuntary, where protagonist kinda doesn't resist too much, but on other hand is feminized in very degrading and certifiable way.
I think everyone writes like that for 2 reasons:
- they don't know any better, because almost every game haп same cheap plot gimmicks so they naturally adopt them as well, continuing vicious circle.
- it easier to write, because you can completely disregard questions of MC motivation and thoughts on the matter.
To write voluntary game, you'll need good writing skills, and lets admit, usually writing isn't stellar in sissy games. Its kinda amuzing that lacking writing skills in actual text game doesn't prevent them from getting recognition. Here goes my imo, don't throw stones at me, pls. In the games you mentioned so far, only Secretary can boast with good writing. Perverded Education is considered landmark for some reason, but it got some decend writing only when they hired writer that worked on cheerleader routes, all other writing is below average. The Sissy Girlfriend Experiment has good UI and tons of content, but actual sex scenes and descriptions are so insipid that reading them is a chore. The Making of a Slut is complete nadir of this genre, i can't think of any point that game does good. Horrible UI, inept writing, and to top it off with lack of vision, like dev doesn't know what to do with his game.

If you're looking for voluntary game well done, i can't recommend you enough Down and Out with Paris and Marion. Granted MC isn't very willing from the start, but is persuaded with teasing and guiding, instead of coercing and blackmail. Almost every fetish is avoidable and your route is result of your own actions.

Oh you made me think of something... But I'm to hung over to think strait right now... The definition of sissification and feminization or should I say the context? GOD I CAN'T THINK... My two braincells are so bruised and raw...

OK here goes. From my discussion on this site and with friends who are actually doing what we are discussing:
Feminization is the act of rendering, feminizing and/or becoming feminine.
Forced Feminization is the act of feminizing another without their consent.
Sissification is a form of submissive feminization and/or masochistic feminization. It can be both with and without consent as well as self motivated and directed.
Opinions?

Moving on...

CRIMINAL INDEED! I don't know how many times I've pointed out the criminal acts committed in game by so call "Caring" guides. That's what pisses me of the most. I also don't know how many times Awolfe and I have complained about how spinless and gutless the MCs of these game have been. It always enrages me and prevents me from feeling any sense of immersion. And I certainly don't feel like living vicariously through them. "brutal and repulsive" indeed. I'm reading you post and all I think when I read your points is:

I couldn't agree with you more. It's like your taking from inside my head.

Umm present company excluded...

That sounds like neat idea, but it has one considerable drawback. It would be much harder to do a proper progression in it. Like when MC starts to have increasingly feminine thought, dreams, ideas. If he's initially receptive, his first crossdressing experiences would be less embarrasing, etc. He'd be attracted to males from the start as well, if we're planning to include m/m or bisexual experiences in the game. So that doesn't leave much in terms of progression.
Unless it's reverse progression as well. Something like this:
You live in fictional sexually repressive country, that finds anything beyond masculing males, feminine females and m/f interactions as wrong, and will try to cure you, if you're outed. You start with high feminity choice options from the get go, but if you're too forward, your ideas are revealed and you're assigned to mandatory psychiatric course that tries to straighten you out. They show you vanilla hypno videos (horror), and you're starting to abandon your crossdressing and your m/m ideas. You start having strange compulsions and dreams where you have vanilla missionary sex with females, and you wake up in cold sweat. So you have to balance your decisions in order to not get cured into straight cisgender properly dressing young man, which would be bad end. And proper route would be getting so good at crossdressing that people wouldn't recognize you as male, and you'll have to find willing partners, that won't out you to authorities. Gaying out initially straight dudes would be extra hot imo, you'd become so good at crossdressing that your love interest get head over heels for you, but then you suddenly reveal that you're a boy and your partner would have strong dilemma what to do, but he already loves you too much and goes selective bi-mode just for you <3.

Sound ok... But I was thinking more along the lines of a gay man coming out in a conservative community. What you wrote sound more like something out of the middle east. And that does not sound fun at all. BUT that's just my opinion...

The thing here is that you're trying to make it a GAME, so you're adding in unneeded linear progression. However if you look at is a STORY involving a young person discovering their fantasies and sexuality then it doesn't need progression. Just interesting story elements.

This gets Trans people killed. So maybe no?
Whilst I realise it's fine to have whatever fantasy you like, it just seems bad taste.

RIGHT? it don't need a step by step formula.

Yeah that was my feeling too. Trans people already get a lot of shit even in a country like Canada. That's why I got kicked in the balls. It's to bad that the majority of games out there depict misery and despair as a part of the Trans life. We don't needs more games that create more fear of persecution for Trans people. It's why I always advocate for positive and uplifting sissy games. A game where an effeminate boy is taken in with loving but firm guiding hands. If you knew the "Mummy and Gurl" couple I know you'd know what I mean.

Would I be happier as a woman? I don't know. Women are still disadvantaged, even in western societies. But I certainly would love to look as beautiful and attractive as one. So, there's that.

Tales of Androgyny – which isn't about feminization but rather a female looking hero questing through a fanatsy world mostly filled with dickgirls.

LOL, Well from what the Gurl I know says being a "girl" is so much "easier" socially and they are more happy but they do admit that it's less fair. And there have been many gross and unpleasant moments. LOL usually when their being so bubbly about the joys of being a "Girl" you'll see their "Mummy" roll their eyes and sigh in exasperation, but with a loving smile. It's so CUTE seeing the interact!

Oh right I played it... it's ok

 

[SexyLump]

That sounds like neat idea, but it has one considerable drawback. It would be much harder to do a proper progression in it. Like when MC starts to have increasingly feminine thought, dreams, ideas. If he's initially receptive, his first crossdressing experiences would be less embarrasing, etc. He'd be attracted to males from the start as well, if we're planning to include m/m or bisexual experiences in the game. So that doesn't leave much in terms of progression.
Unless it's reverse progression as well. Something like this:
You live in fictional sexually repressive country, that finds anything beyond masculing males, feminine females and m/f interactions as wrong, and will try to cure you, if you're outed. You start with high feminity choice options from the get go, but if you're too forward, your ideas are revealed and you're assigned to mandatory psychiatric course that tries to straighten you out. They show you vanilla hypno videos (horror), and you're starting to abandon your crossdressing and your m/m ideas. You start having strange compulsions and dreams where you have vanilla missionary sex with females, and you wake up in cold sweat. So you have to balance your decisions in order to not get cured into straight cisgender properly dressing young man, which would be bad end. And proper route would be getting so good at crossdressing that people wouldn't recognize you as male, and you'll have to find willing partners, that won't out you to authorities. Gaying out initially straight dudes would be extra hot imo, you'd become so good at crossdressing that your love interest get head over heels for you, but then you suddenly reveal that you're a boy and your partner would have strong dilemma what to do, but he already loves you too much and goes selective bi-mode just for you <3.

Sound ok... But I was thinking more along the lines of a gay man coming out in a conservative community. What you wrote sound more like something out of the middle east. And that does not sound fun at all. BUT that's just my opinion...

Haha, that would be sissification survival horror, some people enjoy playing stressful survival games, right? But i agree that most would like their smut happy and light-hearted so may be it isn't such a good idea for a game after all.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

Haha, that would be sissification survival horror, some people enjoy playing stressful survival games, right? But i agree that most would like their smut happy and light-hearted so may be it isn't such a good idea for a game after all.

But that's the think I can't think of ANY light hearted sissy games

 

[SexyLump]

Its your chance to be the first! Quick fill that niche with your own game.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

Its your chance to be the first! Quick fill that niche with your own game.

Few problems, for one I don't have a clue as to where to start. I look at that wall of text when I check out a games in note++ and my mind goes blank... Also I'm SUPER LAZY and I procrastinate too much. Also I have two preteens that don't know what knocking on the door means, soo yeah.

 

[TeamHentaiX]

Wow Thanks Moderators, i was actually preparing for 0.2 so yeah thanks

of course im not a patreon but i was waiting for public release.

 

[SexyLump]

When you look at html of twine game in notepad++, its already minificated version, its not intended for reading or editing, so its naturally hard to read with all formating and variable names gone. When you develop its going to be easier in that regard. Not to mention that learning framework is but a drop in a pond comparing to actual writing you'd have to pump when creating the text game. It's the thing that stops me, i have 0 experience i writing, and i'm not even a native speaker.

 

[MaskOfMirth]

LM might actually have the best community on here. Normally if you disagree or comment with the direction or a choice in a sissy game, you get absolutely torn apart by everybody, dev and fans alike. It's really refreshing to see people just having a discussion without coming to blows over it. It's also really nice to see that I'm not the only person on this site that wants a more consensual and uplifting sissy game. I always say that sissy doesn't mean being a spineless little bitch who lets people do whatever they want to them.

 

[MaskOfMirth]

When you look at html of twine game in notepad++, its already minificated version, its not intended for reading or editing, so its naturally hard to read with all formating and variable names gone. When you develop its going to be easier in that regard. Not to mention that learning framework is but a drop in a pond comparing to actual writing you'd have to pump when creating the text game. It's the thing that stops me, i have 0 experience i writing, and i'm not even a native speaker.

I think that's why real porn is so pervasive. It fills in for what would otherwise be a large block of text, and rather than describing what's going on in the scene, you can give shorter snippets and fill in with the image, or gif, or whatever was chosen to use instead.

 

[SexyLump]

LM might actually have the best community on here. Normally if you disagree or comment with the direction or a choice in a sissy game, you get absolutely torn apart by everybody, dev and fans alike. It's really refreshing to see people just having a discussion without coming to blows over it. It's also really nice to see that I'm not the only person on this site that wants a more consensual and uplifting sissy game. I always say that sissy doesn't mean being a spineless little bitch who lets people do whatever they want to them.

Haha, Lobsterman9999, look you didn't do anything, but you get credit and acclaim because bunch of nerds derailed your thread.

I think that's why real porn is so pervasive. It fills in for what would otherwise be a large block of text, and rather than describing what's going on in the scene, you can give shorter snippets and fill in with the image, or gif, or whatever was chosen to use instead.

I think its so popular because it allows you to put bunch of gifs and get away with shitty writing. While i agree that if well done it would complement your writing with visuals and would allow to avoid something like room descriptions, that is tedious both for reader and a writer alike. But unfortunately that's not how it goes. Devs just abuse frameworks similar to Perverted Education, fill it with annoying locations navigation, and some gifs for events, paying much less attention to writing. These are text games ffs, if writing is bad, game is no good by definition, when will people understand...

 

[MaskOfMirth]

Haha, Lobsterman9999, look you didn't do anything, but you get credit and acclaim because bunch of nerds derailed your thread.

I think its so popular because it allows you to put bunch of gifs and get away with shitty writing. While i agree that if well done it would complement your writing with visuals and would allow to avoid something like room descriptions, that is tedious both for reader and a writer alike. But unfortunately that's not how it goes. Devs just abuse frameworks similar to Perverted Education, fill it with annoying locations navigation, and some gifs for events, paying much less attention to writing. These are text games ffs, if writing is bad, game is no good by definition, when will people understand...

I'll go down the middle route here. I actually like the usage of real porn, because I tend to prefer a mix of visual and text. I have problems with primarily text based games because I tend to get bored of reading or impatient and end up skimming a lot of it anyways. That being said, you are correct and a lot of devs use it as a crutch rather than a viable supplement.

 

[Bearded_NoPants]

When you look at html of twine game in notepad++, its already minificated version, its not intended for reading or editing, so its naturally hard to read with all formating and variable names gone. When you develop its going to be easier in that regard. Not to mention that learning framework is but a drop in a pond comparing to actual writing you'd have to pump when creating the text game. It's the thing that stops me, i have 0 experience i writing, and i'm not even a native speaker.

I'll take you word for it... But still I'm tooooooo lazy! My problem would not be the story it's my dyslexia and grammar. I've been trolled on the site about some of my posts in the past.
But as I was saying. I have lots of stories and experiences to draw from the past. I use to be a porn store manager, dates a trans individual and know a sissy that I can use as a muse.

LM might actually have the best community on here. Normally if you disagree or comment with the direction or a choice in a sissy game, you get absolutely torn apart by everybody, dev and fans alike. It's really refreshing to see people just having a discussion without coming to blows over it. It's also really nice to see that I'm not the only person on this site that wants a more consensual and uplifting sissy game. I always say that sissy doesn't mean being a spineless little bitch who lets people do whatever they want to them.

I was gonna disagree with you then I realized you meant sissy game threads. Yeah most other games are frequented by Femdom lovers that take any dissent as a personal attack. Not to mention the one or two women who actually want to live in a world where Alpha are Kings women are Queens and betas are chattel... There are some evil people out there. But as for Trolls and Bullies... well this thread only has ten pages of posts so far so *knocking on wood* knock on wood will you! Besides I like feeding Trolls till moderators are forced to nuke a thread clean and I've seen Awolfe viciously eviscerate the odd troll. So fingers crossed.

But yes I was quite surprised no one decided to start shit with me. It was not my intention but I was expecting someone to come at me. It's nice to see that I'm not the odd one out that want's "Wholesome" Sissification.

I think that's why real porn is so pervasive. It fills in for what would otherwise be a large block of text, and rather than describing what's going on in the scene, you can give shorter snippets and fill in with the image, or gif, or whatever was chosen to use instead.

I personally like more and want more images in games. Granted it might be lazy writing but I've played games when the scene is written in detail and the image helps in visualizing the moment. Also I helps as my eye go cross when I see a wall of text.

Haha, Lobsterman9999, look you didn't do anything, but you get credit and acclaim because bunch of nerds derailed your thread.

I think its so popular because it allows you to put bunch of gifs and get away with shitty writing. While i agree that if well done it would complement your writing with visuals and would allow to avoid something like room descriptions, that is tedious both for reader and a writer alike. But unfortunately that's not how it goes. Devs just abuse frameworks similar to Perverted Education, fill it with annoying locations navigation, and some gifs for events, paying much less attention to writing. These are text games ffs, if writing is bad, game is no good by definition, when will people understand...

nerds? NERDS!?! WE ARE PERVERTS THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

I'll go down the middle route here. I actually like the usage of real porn, because I tend to prefer a mix of visual and text. I have problems with primarily text based games because I tend to get bored of reading or impatient and end up skimming a lot of it anyways. That being said, you are correct and a lot of devs use it as a crutch rather than a viable supplement.

Same the more the better. AND MORE HYPNO PORN!!! A mix is good otherwise you get tired of just reading. I'm right there with you I get bored and I need to something to keep me going.

 

[SexyLump]

nerds? NERDS!?! WE ARE PERVERTS THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

 

[Lobsterman9999]

LM might actually have the best community on here. Normally if you disagree or comment with the direction or a choice in a sissy game, you get absolutely torn apart by everybody, dev and fans alike. It's really refreshing to see people just having a discussion without coming to blows over it. It's also really nice to see that I'm not the only person on this site that wants a more consensual and uplifting sissy game. I always say that sissy doesn't mean being a spineless little bitch who lets people do whatever they want to them.

Thanks, MaskOfMirth. I’m just trying to create a positive feminization / sissification game. Where I go astray, I’m happy for people to call me out and raise an opinion. And if this becomes a semi-safe space to talk about being a guy (or trans woman) with submissive, feminine, or homosexual desires - that’s cool with me. As long as we stay respectful.

This whole derailment began with the closing to v0.2. So I’ll put The rest of my comment in spoilers.

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