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Todd is a bisexual creepy tranny chaser with daddy issues. He has many personality problems and his relationship with the player character is a great example of it. He doesn't know what he wants - he wants his former best friend, but also olivia, but also becky, but also a fertile woman with big naturals. But, you know, it's a porn game and logic isn't exactly the first priority. I mean, the world of this game has a university where porn is shown as part of the feminist class, there's another class of all transsexuals being trained to be more transsexual, an open conspiracy of black world order people indoctrinating students, and a mob that keeps demanding more and more money every week to keep watching someone even though it doesn't make any sense.

There was a game that had the player character help a friend get more comfortable with women but the previously straight player character chose to deal with it by crossdressing and taking him on dates so I guess it's still not what you're looking for. There's really not a whole lot of games where the player character helps someone else dealing with their fetishes taking over their lives. I guess it's because the majority of players and devs want to play a sub thrust into an unrealistic situation, almost like those isekai novels without the Gary Stu.

I played a game exactly like that but I can't remember the name of it.

As for the sub aspect, it is something that I have noticed that many games are always forced or "Its the only 'option'" by giving illusion of choice. There never really is a game where the MC does the change on themselves willingly without the influence of someone else goading them or saying "Hey, this fetish is cool check it out". The unrealistic nature I feel is because many don't know how to make the self change look natural if not by outside influence in an extreme way.

However the subtle hint of Katie is that she wanted a sub femboy toy which is what she was trying to change you into which you learn later on in the auction and it wasn't because she wanted to actually help you. This little sneaky detail is something I did like because it wasn't obvious at first when she was 'helping you' be more fem and more like trying to help you gain more money due to the mob asking for it and you yourself pursuing a way to gain more income. It is still forced of course and would be nice if it wasn't but it was still something neat to see that there was a hidden agenda outside of what Nov was trying to do.

For Todd, he is all over the place like you mentioned and it is by far the more inconsistent when it comes to what he wants and doesn't want. Romantically you could invest yourself in him only and he will still cheat on you with Olivia, Becky or even Lexi and the only way to make him devote himself to you is to guilt trip him and make him understand why you are working at the cauldron. My first play of this game, he was a bit of a creep chasing after you and I assumed he was gay. But it seems he is more attracted to female traits than anything else which is why he goes after Olivia and Becky which means his 'gay' tendencies are a means to his end goal of the girl he wants. Even pursuing susan if you are not going into the Queen of Spade route with her, after a threesome both susan and Todd would seem to pursue each other but won't progress unless you allow it showing Todd just wants a piece of girly ass than an actual romantic relationship. The Pregnancy's thing is his kink and like you mentioned before he has daddy issues and since he likes the whole preg and motherly tits he might have some repressed mother issues too since he likes the natural mother milf look and dislikes the fake tits that his own mother has. Todd is very mixed and things do need to be cleaned up for him or his family story more fleshed out and seen into as a big side story following the main story if you are pursuing him or jack... Curious if Todd and Mother but that's just me

Cade... He needs more but aside of being the more reasonable and normal compared to Todd there isn't much there and if you yourself are following with Susan the Queen of Spade route, going for cade doesn't make much change or do anything for your own progression in the REP org or give Cade pause and see his point of view of it; if he is on board and likes the idea, disgusted and you have to convince him or lose him, or he himself would gain a harem along with you. Susan also has no comment if you pursue cade, a congratulation for committing to REP or bringing in cade into the relationship. And even when pursuing cade, if you choose to be fully a part of REP, why can't you also corrupt Olivia while also gaining cade for the same purpose. Many possibilities with cade aside from football star who wants to be in a play.

Out of many games that include M/M and Sissification this is by far my favorite to recent date and I hope to get more. But one can always look and want more to their own preference, I just want MORE content even if it means fixing some story or character flaws because I kinda doubt i'll get a game close to this one.
 

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As for the sub aspect, it is something that I have noticed that many games are always forced or "Its the only 'option'" by giving illusion of choice. There never really is a game where the MC does the change on themselves willingly without the influence of someone else goading them or saying "Hey, this fetish is cool check it out". The unrealistic nature I feel is because many don't know how to make the self change look natural if not by outside influence in an extreme way.
I think game with willing MC wouldn't be interesting. If MC decided that he wants to be woman from the get go, where do you put struggle, character progression, drama, inner conflict? It would be also very short: MC takes hormones for some time, then goes to clinic and makes a surgery - that's it. Unwilling or hesitant MC is a core of feminization and sissification fetishes. If nudging from the third party is more gentle, its feminization, but if it has strong submission vibe to it - its sissificaiton. You can check out if you want to explore this fetish more, there are much more games centered about feminization than here. Very common trope in them is that MC suddenly changes into a girl overnight at the very beginning of the game, and then all game long he struggles with this change and tries to fit in. Game ends when he makes peace with his new self and learns how to be a woman. So as you can see in this case, there is no gradual physical changes, game can be made exclusively about mental aspect.
 

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I think game with willing MC wouldn't be interesting. If MC decided that he wants to be woman from the get go, where do you put struggle, character progression, drama, inner conflict? It would be also very short: MC takes hormones for some time, then goes to clinic and makes a surgery - that's it. Unwilling or hesitant MC is a core of feminization and sissification fetishes. If nudging from the third party is more gentle, its feminization, but if it has strong submission vibe to it - its sissificaiton. You can check out if you want to explore this fetish more, there are much more games centered about feminization than here. Very common trope in them is that MC suddenly changes into a girl overnight at the very beginning of the game, and then all game long he struggles with this change and tries to fit in. Game ends when he makes peace with his new self and learns how to be a woman. So as you can see in this case, there is no gradual physical changes, game can be made exclusively about mental aspect.

Change from the get go is not interesting. You can have the MC desire it willingly and have the surrounding environment interact both negatively and positively. We have such things currently now going on in the real world with homophobia, transphobia and other such negative things. Family rejecting and disowning their own family for desiring a sex change or even if you don't want to be a woman and simply wish to be a hyperfeminized man or even just a femboy having everyone say "Yeah that's fine" is not entertaining. Making the struggle be financial has no meaningful pay off and if you want to be a slut or not is also not a real struggle either. Having your friends react in both positive and negative aspects would make the experience better and would influence how you as the MC proceed. If you want to become a woman yet many of your friends and family would abandon you because of it would you continue? Would you be able to keep your femboy life a secret and if a friend of your finds out would they want to be friends with benefits, support or berate you for being 'weird' or a freak. There are many ways to make things realistic by simply looking at the world around us but then that defeats the fantasy aspect of these sexual games.

And I do not need to explore the fetish, I'm trans MTF going on 3 years. I did my exploring of the fetish when I was 16.

I have played every and any Female protag lead game and every M/M game including or not any aspect of sissification. Just many are forced too hard and the same story like of "I got a weird pill or drink and wake up and im a woman" is tiresome now. Still, Fantasy and my perspective on it being entertaining or not is mainly on the variety of choices and how well written it is. I hate when a game preaches 'Multiple Endings' and yet the multiple endings they have is 1 bad end and 1 happy end.
 

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w8, so you want to have willing MC but hostile environment, so that MC has to overcome various obstacles in his way to femininity? That sounds like depressing game setup :unsure: Not sure if much more depressing as forcing MC in femininity with crimes and coercion as it usually goes in these games : P
Anyway I thought this idea is familiar, so I rechecked the thread and it already had same discussion around page 10.
 

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w8, so you want to have willing MC but hostile environment, so that MC has to overcome various obstacles in his way to femininity? That sounds like depressing game setup :unsure: Not sure if much more depressing as forcing MC in femininity with crimes and coercion as it usually goes in these games : P
Anyway I thought this idea is familiar, so I rechecked the thread and it already had same discussion around page 10.
The only game I seen in which you get repercussion for your action was My Destiny. If you choose a specific guy to have sex with and go home your mom kicks you out and you go live on the streets. Sounds sad and harsh but is a good reaction to have learning your child goes out to sleep with men.

But the game doesn't have to be depressing, but a game with obstacles and challenge are far more entertaining and fulfilling than one where you grind out for a specific outcome. But that's my opinion and I'll always find something to enjoy out of a game I download from here or TFGames even if it isn't what I really want. I just like seeing the creators vision and then implanting what I would like which allows me to explore other games too. My favorite games however despite what content it has is choice. The more choices a game has the more I will praise it even with its flaws because the best thing a game can have is replay-ability
 
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w8, so you want to have willing MC but hostile environment, so that MC has to overcome various obstacles in his way to femininity? That sounds like depressing game setup :unsure: Not sure if much more depressing as forcing MC in femininity with crimes and coercion as it usually goes in these games : P
Anyway I thought this idea is familiar, so I rechecked the thread and it already had same discussion around page 10.
Drama is the core part of stories... or rather it used to be. Slice of Life novels where nothing goes wrong have become popular for some reason even though I find them terribly dull. Examples are the Japanese WN's with sentences for titles like "The Strongest Wizard Becomes a Countryside Guardsman After Taking an Arrow to the Knee" or "Magi’s Grandson." As for the discussion, "all of this has happened before and it will happen again."

Change from the get go is not interesting. You can have the MC desire it willingly and have the surrounding environment interact both negatively and positively. We have such things currently now going on in the real world with homophobia, transphobia and other such negative things. Family rejecting and disowning their own family for desiring a sex change or even if you don't want to be a woman and simply wish to be a hyperfeminized man or even just a femboy having everyone say "Yeah that's fine" is not entertaining. Making the struggle be financial has no meaningful pay off and if you want to be a slut or not is also not a real struggle either. Having your friends react in both positive and negative aspects would make the experience better and would influence how you as the MC proceed. If you want to become a woman yet many of your friends and family would abandon you because of it would you continue? Would you be able to keep your femboy life a secret and if a friend of your finds out would they want to be friends with benefits, support or berate you for being 'weird' or a freak. There are many ways to make things realistic by simply looking at the world around us but then that defeats the fantasy aspect of these sexual games.

And I do not need to explore the fetish, I'm trans MTF going on 3 years. I did my exploring of the fetish when I was 16.

I have played every and any Female protag lead game and every M/M game including or not any aspect of sissification. Just many are forced too hard and the same story like of "I got a weird pill or drink and wake up and im a woman" is tiresome now. Still, Fantasy and my perspective on it being entertaining or not is mainly on the variety of choices and how well written it is. I hate when a game preaches 'Multiple Endings' and yet the multiple endings they have is 1 bad end and 1 happy end.
I'm mostly in agreement with this. Something I've noticed a lot on tfgames is seeing a turn towards making their fetish into a lifestyle and it shows in the writing and the denizens of the forum itself. I hate it when a straight character immediately jumps on the cock as soon as he's changed, or loves the frilly dresses immediately, or loves anal play the first time during a rape or coercion even if they never stuck a finger in there or even had any thoughts about it. I roll my eyes every time and it happens in all of the big games like PE and Secretary or this game. It completely disregards character building to get to the porn right away. Unfortunately, it's one of those things that comes with the territory of adult fiction. I'm sure harlequin novels have similar problems but who knows, maybe not.
 
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Drama is the core part of stories... or rather it used to be. Slice of Life novels where nothing goes wrong have become popular for some reason even though I find them terribly dull. Examples are the Japanese WN's with sentences for titles like "The Strongest Wizard Becomes a Countryside Guardsman After Taking an Arrow to the Knee" or "Magi’s Grandson." As for the discussion, "all of this has happened before and it will happen again."


I'm mostly in agreement with this. Something I've noticed a lot on tfgames is seeing a turn towards making their fetish into a lifestyle and it shows in the writing and the denizens of the forum itself. I hate it when a straight character immediately jumps on the cock as soon as he's changed, or loves the frilly dresses immediately, or loves anal play the first time during a rape or coercion even if they never stuck a finger in there or even had any thoughts about it. I roll my eyes every time and it happens in all of the big games like PE and Secretary or this game. It completely disregards character building to get to the porn right away. Unfortunately, it's one of those things that comes with the territory of adult fiction. I'm sure harlequin novels have similar problems but who knows, maybe not.
PE and Secretary are example of Good games with minor flaws when it comes to how the MC reacts to being forced into a situation. Yeah it sucks having the MC instantly like Anal and just go with and do everything they were against just yesterday. A straight MC shouldn't just enjoy a gay experience because the story demands it but because the MC was slowly leaning towards it do to choices that lead up to it. Rape and forced actions shouldn't change the MC's mind into liking something unless their mentality gave hints to their interest in it and only desired a push into that direction.

One thing The Good Son does that not many do is a lead up to future possibilities and having the MC choose to be interested in it or not. Not EVERYTHING in the game does this but the good example would be the wanting to be a woman and does the MC gain the desire to be pregnant if they were a woman. It isn't forced on them and they gain knowledge that influences their decision if they want to or not. That is the proper way to lead a choice driven game with the main MC changing.

Of course I don't mind getting straight into a fap session but a good game you can go back to is one with well written plot and one in where your choices do make changes to yourself and to the world around you. Corruption of Champions 1 did this well for a time with the variety it had in how you went on exploring the world and how your choices affected things like corrupting the farm and turning it into a prosperous place of sin or keeping it clean and having your companions keep it safe.

But yeah, I agree that everything being happy and not having even the slight of angst is boring and fake tension(including in this game with the mob) isn't pleasing. Would be a good incentive if you missed a payment they show that your inactions have consequences and they beat up your father or tortured him to show they are serious. So would you be heartless and let your father suffer and die or continue payments. A different route in the game in where you can remain a man but still have the M/M scenes and stray away from feminization or even remain straight and still find ways to figure out the mob storyline.

But that's a lot of work and we shouldn't impose on a creators work, so I enjoy what I can get.
 
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PE and Secretary are example of Good games with minor flaws when it comes to how the MC reacts to being forced into a situation. Yeah it sucks having the MC instantly like Anal and just go with and do everything they were against just yesterday. A straight MC shouldn't just enjoy a gay experience because the story demands it but because the MC was slowly leaning towards it do to choices that lead up to it. Rape and forced actions shouldn't change the MC's mind into liking something unless their mentality gave hints to their interest in it and only desired a push into that direction.

One thing The Good Son does that not many do is a lead up to future possibilities and having the MC choose to be interested in it or not. Not EVERYTHING in the game does this but the good example would be the wanting to be a woman and does the MC gain the desire to be pregnant if they were a woman. It isn't forced on them and they gain knowledge that influences their decision if they want to or not. That is the proper way to lead a choice driven game with the main MC changing.

Of course I don't mind getting straight into a fap session but a good game you can go back to is one with well written plot and one in where your choices do make changes to yourself and to the world around you. Corruption of Champions 1 did this well for a time with the variety it had in how you went on exploring the world and how your choices affected things like corrupting the farm and turning it into a prosperous place of sin or keeping it clean and having your companions keep it safe.

But yeah, I agree that everything being happy and not having even the slight of angst is boring and fake tension(including in this game with the mob) isn't pleasing. Would be a good incentive if you missed a payment they show that your inactions have consequences and they beat up your father or tortured him to show they are serious. So would you be heartless and let your father suffer and die or continue payments. A different route in the game in where you can remain a man but still have the M/M scenes and stray away from feminization or even remain straight and still find ways to figure out the mob storyline.

But that's a lot of work and we shouldn't impose on a creators work, so I enjoy what I can get.
Exactly, you take what you can get unless you want to write and code what you want yourself. I'm not skilled in either of those things but I know what I like and what I like is believable scenarios with believable reactions in extraordinary situations. This game is as ubelievable as you can get with the scenarios and reactions but it's still enjoyable for a "long fap." Secretary is an interesting world with a cool aesthetic and an extraordinary siutation, bogged down by stupid characters and hyper sexuality in my eyes. Also decent for a long fap if you can take braindead characters. As for the pregnancy thing... eh it's done alright in this game. It's pretty much Todd likes it so should I give him what he wants? It's not really a choice that the character makes because he ever had an interest. The mini arc that leads to an early gameover after the first or second hospital visit that reverses the player character's femininity shows his psychology was being messed with hardcore by his hormonal problems likely coupled with stress.

So yeah, take what you can get. It's the same in the web novel world.
 

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Exactly, you take what you can get unless you want to write and code what you want yourself. I'm not skilled in either of those things but I know what I like and what I like is believable scenarios with believable reactions in extraordinary situations. This game is as ubelievable as you can get with the scenarios and reactions but it's still enjoyable for a "long fap." Secretary is an interesting world with a cool aesthetic and an extraordinary siutation, bogged down by stupid characters and hyper sexuality in my eyes. Also decent for a long fap if you can take braindead characters. As for the pregnancy thing... eh it's done alright in this game. It's pretty much Todd likes it so should I give him what he wants? It's not really a choice that the character makes because he ever had an interest. The mini arc that leads to an early gameover after the first or second hospital visit that reverses the player character's femininity shows his psychology was being messed with hardcore by his hormonal problems likely coupled with stress.

So yeah, take what you can get. It's the same in the web novel world.
Out of curiosity which Secretary characters you consider braindead?
 

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Out of curiosity which Secretary characters you consider braindead?
The protagonist and everyone else that doesn't notice anything strange or insidious going on but the protagonist is the worst of them. Really, it's just the way the game is written and the goals of the game. He's designed to be a meek oblivious idiot to get him into the sexual situations. Anyway, this isn't the right thread to talk about that.
 

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I cannot access the discord server with a token account anymore for some reason, anyone know anything about more details for a release date for the update? It was generic november and i already made peace that it wasnt 1st nov :cry:
 

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I cannot access the discord server with a token account anymore for some reason, anyone know anything about more details for a release date for the update? It was generic november and i already made peace that it wasnt 1st nov :cry:
From Lobster on Discord: "Late November, for sure. Still lots to do"
 
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