Rugerrell6

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Dunno about that, but i can tell you which one is her fantasy :KEK:
oh... and how can you tell that? Im just curious what people think because this game has so many unique and interesting characters. But it would be hilarious if in real life she like say Sarai! haha
 

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Your reply inadvertently displays the main gripe many people have with the game. If I need to follow an optimized guide and/or calculate my game before i play it to not feel screwed, then there is something wrong with the game.

It it such a shame - this game is awesome in so many ways - shame that it has to feel so punishing and difficult as well.
this is a way to see the game. for other it's the exact the opposite.
 

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If I need to follow an optimized guide and/or calculate my game before i play it to not feel screwed, then there is something wrong with the game.
Not really. It's just a matter of preference, I guess.

For your information, there's many successful games out there in the world that needs an optimized guide to not get screwed, and I'm talking about big-budget, non-porn, international-level games such as: Final Fantasy (multi-series game, 161 million units sold overall), Dragon Quest (11 series game, latest version sold 6.5 million units ), Chronos Trigger (2.35 million units sold), Radiant Historia (56,500 units sold).

So while I understand this ain't your thing, just remember that games that need to follow an optimized guide have a huge following and is a multi-million market out there in the world :)

Though of course, there's nothing wrong with your preferences, too.
 
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Not really. It's just a matter of preference, I guess.

For your information, there's many successful games out there in the world that needs an optimized guide to not get screwed, and I'm talking about big-budget, non-porn, international-level games such as: Final Fantasy (multi-series game, 161 million units sold overall), Dragon Quest (11 series game, latest version sold 6.5 million units ), Chronos Trigger (2.35 million units sold), Radiant Historia (56,500 units sold).

So while I understand this ain't your thing, just remember that games that need to follow an optimized guide have a huge following and is a multi-million market out there in the world :)

Though of course, there's nothing wrong with your preferences, too.
Just off the top of my head: Dragon Quest series lets you grind xp if you feel like you need it. Might need help to unlock all content and whatnot, but you don't get fucked by choices or by missing xp. Not the same.
 

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Just off the top of my head: Dragon Quest series lets you grind xp if you feel like you need it. Might need help to unlock all content and whatnot, but you don't get fucked by choices or by missing xp. Not the same.
 

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Also I kinda wish we were able to add Maybe Xestris or Sabitha as playable characters. The Combat harem members have 4 succubi a bunch of humans and only 1 zirantian and 1 elf so it woulda been cool to add someone like those 2 to add to the variety. Plus I bet there skills would be badass.
 
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Just off the top of my head: Dragon Quest series lets you grind xp if you feel like you need it. Might need help to unlock all content and whatnot, but you don't get fucked by choices or by missing xp. Not the same.
What you see as possibilities to miss xp, I see as an anti-grind mechanic. I personally hate grinding so I love the fact that enemies are finite. Everyone likes different things, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
 

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What you see as possibilities to miss xp, I see as an anti-grind mechanic. I personally hate grinding so I love the fact that enemies are finite. Everyone likes different things, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
The option to grind isn't the same as a requirement to grind. You can grind if you want to, but you don't have to if you want a bigger challenge, faster completion or similar.

The absence of the option to grind means that optimizing your play becomes a requirement. Fall behind, and there is no way to make up for it. The snowball has started rolling down the hill.

My point is that this game takes it too far. The optimized guide even tells you not to use consumables at all, because you have to sell them. If you need to NOT use consumables, why are they even in the game? If you consume them, you screw yourself over.
 

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My point is that this game takes it too far. The optimized guide even tells you not to use consumables at all, because you have to sell them. If you need to NOT use consumables, why are they even in the game? If you consume them, you screw yourself over.
which guide?
because thosha tell to never buy nothing at all and i usualy advice buying gear over consumable because is better. better weapons, better armors mean higher stats, less time figthing and less need to healing. or recovery mana.

but both are advice. a lot of people use a fair amount of consumable without any problem.
because the game had a good design choice here. your pocket money is only for equipment and consumable. the amount of "Sx" never will impact the story or any result.
 
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The option to grind isn't the same as a requirement to grind. You can grind if you want to, but you don't have to if you want a bigger challenge, faster completion or similar.

The absence of the option to grind means that optimizing your play becomes a requirement. Fall behind, and there is no way to make up for it. The snowball has started rolling down the hill.
We can go back and forth with the same arguments but the point stands, this mechanic DOES remove grinding. Any game that has grinding as an 'option' usually requires it for optimal outcomes, so how is that any different? Nevermind don't answer that. I feel like we're not going to agree anyway.
 

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I started a new game (v0.58.3) utilizing Thosha's playthrough and may have found some notable glitches:

1) I wasn't able to recruit the sucubus to work in the Ardan restaurant - All I can do is invest in her potion business.

2) Winn didn't mover her operation to the palace from the magic school to help with Windis's body.

3) There was no demon seed gifted from Sabitha at the end of the war and followed the requirements to the letter. - I even went back to my save to replay this part with and without torturing the Fucklord's soul.

Anyone else experiencing any of these issues? Thanks.
 

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I started a new game (v0.58.3) utilizing Thosha's playthrough and may have found some notable glitches:

1) I wasn't able to recruit the sucubus to work in the Ardan restaurant - All I can do is invest in her potion business.

2) Winn didn't mover her operation to the palace from the magic school to help with Windis's body.

3) There was no demon seed gifted from Sabitha at the end of the war and followed the requirements to the letter. - I even went back to my save to replay this part with and without torturing the Fucklord's soul.

Anyone else experiencing any of these issues? Thanks.
you made some mistake. Which is complex to say without any other information
 
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I started a new game (v0.58.3) utilizing Thosha's playthrough and may have found some notable glitches:

1) I wasn't able to recruit the sucubus to work in the Ardan restaurant - All I can do is invest in her potion business.

2) Winn didn't mover her operation to the palace from the magic school to help with Windis's body.

3) There was no demon seed gifted from Sabitha at the end of the war and followed the requirements to the letter. - I even went back to my save to replay this part with and without torturing the Fucklord's soul.

Anyone else experiencing any of these issues? Thanks.
I've completed the game multiple times and never had these issues.

1. This can only be done after the Council of Gawnfall, do you have every investment listed in the quest Orri's Restaurant on the wiki(unmarked quest so you wont see it in game)? Also the succubus have to be accepted into the church and Simon has to have gotten his access back into Ardford.
2. Only when Simon anger is 0 or lower and Wynn has been added to the harem as far as I know.
3. I'm not certain but sabitha gifts you the demonic seed if you don't kill her demons I think.

If you want you can pm me your save, if I check the variables I should be able to tell what you did wrong.
 
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Who is the proper lady of the night (blond whore) in the Stineford market district? Who costs 500 sx for sex.
 
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We can go back and forth with the same arguments but the point stands, this mechanic DOES remove grinding. Any game that has grinding as an 'option' usually requires it for optimal outcomes, so how is that any different?
There is an important difference between games where you can grind up to beat an optional boss if you don't have a clever strategy for it, and games like TLS that require a check of your PCs' levels to qualify for story branches when the story is otherwise not very related to how many random monsters you have fought.
 
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There is an important difference between games where you can grind up to beat an optional boss if you don't have a clever strategy for it, and games like TLS that require a check of your PCs' levels to qualify for story branches when the story is otherwise not very related to how many random monsters you have fought.
Level checks do not open story branches. They give a bonus point here and there in certain calculations (fucklord fight I think is one of them). My point is, in this game I can kill the monsters and its done, I don't have to grind for any content because I'm at the highest possible level until I unlock an area with more monsters.
 

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You can use as an example the The fight with 3 Spiders( Dwarghast) in Eustrin that fight is optional but levels dont make to much of a difference you could be level 90 with all characters and still get your ass whooped in that fight. It comes down to strategy and luck. I had Hilstara at around 390 Def shieldwalled with around 7400 hp and 1 hit from the Dwarghest did about 7000 damage to her. So her level didnt really matter to be honest. I lost that fight ike 3 or 4 times before i got lucky enough with the right combo of characters. In some areas of the story level's are relevant in others they arent even a factor.
 

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You can use as an example the The fight with 3 Spiders( Dwarghast) in Eustrin that fight is optional but levels dont make to much of a difference you could be level 90 with all characters and still get your ass whooped in that fight. It comes down to strategy and luck. I had Hilstara at around 390 Def shieldwalled with around 7400 hp and 1 hit from the Dwarghest did about 7000 damage to her. So her level didnt really matter to be honest. I lost that fight ike 3 or 4 times before i got lucky enough with the right combo of characters. In some areas of the story level's are relevant in others they arent even a factor.
dawergast in *.0 was a lot of rng based, but from the .1 it's had nothing about luck and only about strategy.
 
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