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gregers

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I guess it depends on how you play. I play games in basically the exact same way that I read erotic comics, except that the benefit is that I can make some choices and in a great game, chose the order in which I do things and replay scenes that I like. I have no desire have the MC "be me".
Yeah, people's playstyles differ and that's obviously fine. I don't need the MC to be a 1:1 stand-in for me; I'm quite happy to play an MC of any gender, dom or sub, etc., but I do need to be able to put myself in the MC's shoes, whatever shape they may be.
 
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WOW !
When I played the first release it was very nice with beautiful ladies and that's all !

But now !
Wow just wow !
The story begin to be very intriguing !
The sounds effects are great !
Visuals are beautiful
Special mention to the battle between the celts and the romans played in the stone memory who is awesome !
You don't know what kind of MC you'll have to play to have the good ending Good ? Bad ? Rebel ?

Thanks to the dev !
Keep it that way !
 
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The game is promising but feels very short atm for a 0.4, started in May 2020. Two flashbacks and a bit more explanations from Brigitte, half a photo shoot, and some mild fooling around with his power and that's it. I'll come back in a year or two then
 

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I guess it depends on how you play. I play games in basically the exact same way that I read erotic comics, except that the benefit is that I can make some choices and in a great game, chose the order in which I do things and replay scenes that I like. I have no desire have the MC "be me".
So when you play Mortal Kombat and get your butt kicked you say "oh damn Liu Kang got his butt kicked" and not "damn I just got my butt kicked"?

I mean, everyone has their own way of doing things and that's fine, but comics and games are completely different media. It's like saying I watch TV the way I read books.
 
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So when you play Mortal Kombat and get your butt kicked you say "oh damn Liu Kang got his butt kicked" and not "damn I just got my butt kicked"?

I mean, everyone has their own way of doing things and that's fine, but comics and games are completely different media. It's like saying I watch TV the way I read books.
Well, outside of Erotic games, I absolutely never, ever play anything in first person. If I'm playing Assassin's Creed, then I'm playing Kassandra's (ect) story. If I'm playing Horizon Zero Dawn, then I'm playing Aloy's story. If I'm playing Final Fantasy, then its the story of those characters, and I'm just in control of it. I want to have fun and get all that I can out of it, but at the same time, I'm not putting myself into the shoes and the personality of the character, I'm just acting it out, and controlling the action. I always want that 3rd person perspective and the separation, or lack of immersion of that's the better term.

And so for adult games, what I want is a good story with hot characters that I can help direct. I'm not trying to pretend to be the dude who's fucking the women. I want to watch THAT dude (or dudes) fuck them. I've always had a bit of a voyer streak in me with porn, and I just like watching hot people get sexy.
 

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Well, outside of Erotic games, I absolutely never, ever play anything in first person. If I'm playing Assassin's Creed, then I'm playing Kassandra's (ect) story. If I'm playing Horizon Zero Dawn, then I'm playing Aloy's story. If I'm playing Final Fantasy, then its the story of those characters, and I'm just in control of it. I want to have fun and get all that I can out of it, but at the same time, I'm not putting myself into the shoes and the personality of the character, I'm just acting it out, and controlling the action. I always want that 3rd person perspective and the separation, or lack of immersion of that's the better term.

And so for adult games, what I want is a good story with hot characters that I can help direct. I'm not trying to pretend to be the dude who's fucking the women. I want to watch THAT dude (or dudes) fuck them. I've always had a bit of a voyer streak in me with porn, and I just like watching hot people get sexy.
Then you are doing the exact opposite thing devs intended you to do, as phrases like the ones you mentioned (put in the shoes, immersive gameplay etc) are always bullet points in their promos :LOL:

But if it works for you like that, it's all that matters in the end. I was just genuinely curious.
 

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Well, outside of Erotic games, I absolutely never, ever play anything in first person. If I'm playing Assassin's Creed, then I'm playing Kassandra's (ect) story. If I'm playing Horizon Zero Dawn, then I'm playing Aloy's story. If I'm playing Final Fantasy, then its the story of those characters, and I'm just in control of it. I want to have fun and get all that I can out of it, but at the same time, I'm not putting myself into the shoes and the personality of the character, I'm just acting it out, and controlling the action. I always want that 3rd person perspective and the separation, or lack of immersion of that's the better term.

And so for adult games, what I want is a good story with hot characters that I can help direct. I'm not trying to pretend to be the dude who's fucking the women. I want to watch THAT dude (or dudes) fuck them. I've always had a bit of a voyer streak in me with porn, and I just like watching hot people get sexy.
Yeah, I'm pretty similar it's basically like watching pov porn. Sure I see it from the pov of the actor, but at the end I'm just watching random people banging, the only difference is that in porn games it's easier to explore different kinks.
 
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Then you are doing the exact opposite thing devs intended you to do, as phrases like the ones you mentioned (put in the shoes, immersive gameplay etc) are always bullet points in their promos :LOL:

But if it works for you like that, it's all that matters in the end. I was just genuinely curious.
Well, I get that a lot of people like games like that, and a lot of developers make them like that.....but all I can do is take what I can from them. My favorite games are often the ones set up like I laid out, however if a game has great art and a good story, then I can still enjoy it. I just might be a bit frustrated by it. There are several on here very much like that for me.
 

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So when you play Mortal Kombat and get your butt kicked you say "oh damn Liu Kang got his butt kicked" and not "damn I just got my butt kicked"?

I mean, everyone has their own way of doing things and that's fine, but comics and games are completely different media. It's like saying I watch TV the way I read books.
I never imagine him to be me. He is a person in the story and I always use the name Luke, even though that's not my name. I think it would be weird for me to give him my own name and imagine him to be me, especially with the family relations in many games
 
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If I may be so bold....

This may have already been mentioned or stated (I haven't read previous posts), but you really need to make some changes in your approach to how you're presenting your artwork. I'm not sure why so many Ren'Py artists continue to default to PNGs, but there's just no reason to do so. You've got huge file sizes at only 720 resolution, plus, they're way too pixelated for that resolution. If you change those over to webp you can use 1080, drop the pixelation and still have a file size less than half of what you have now.

Also, I see uncompressed mpg vids, avi vids and even tiff images thrown in. This game is going to be huge if you keep it up.

I'm not knocking your artistry (I like what you're doing with the models), but you're going to run into some serious issues with bloat unless you make some changes.
 

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I never imagine him to be me. He is a person in the story and I always use the name Luke, even though that's not my name. I think it would be weird for me to give him my own name and imagine him to be me, especially with the family relations in many games
You are the controller. Without you it's just pixels and you are the one who wins or loses, not the inanimate character on screen.

In the context of narrative driven games, you 're put in the shoes of the protagonist to influence the game world with your input. That doesn't mean you want to be the protag irl. If that was the case we 'd all be bloodthirsty killers since that's what most games revolve around. You play the role of hero, or villain, or a perverted brat in a porn game. But it's just that, a role.

I don't use my real name either because it wouldn't fit the role. Imagine a noble paladin named Bob or a vicious warlord named Gary...

To return on topic, it's universally considered a sign of bad game design, to spend a lot of time away from the protagonist of the game. It's still very early to say this for this one but the flashbacks overstayed their welcome imo.
 
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Thanks to everyone for your feedback.

I am gonna try to address some of the issues that were brought up.

First of all it seems quite a few people are frustrated by the lack of payoff. Why the MC don't get to have his way with all these hot women already? I get your point.
I think that's mostly born from the big gap between updates and the fact that they are relatively short; every story have a set up and a payoff; typically the payoff is only a few pages away in a comic or a book or half an hour or so in a movie. Things get more tricky when dealing with a game where each installment is months apart from the previous one. Those lucky people in the future that will get to play the complete game in a couple of hours won't have to deal with any of that but for now all we can do is try to publish our updates faster and faster; which takes hardware and people; which as you probably guessed takes cold hard cash :rolleyes: (all our money is warm and soft... also we don't have a lot of it)
This said the next two installments are focused on progressing the MC story and getting some of that sweet sweet payoff.

That brings me around to the Brigitte hate; love her or hate her in this arc she mostly fit the shoes of the villain. If you feel frustrated about how she keep getting the upper hand on the MC and can't wait for the moment he can finally turn the tables on her or at least punch her in her smug face... well... good! That's exactly what you're supposed to feel. After all you waited three movies to see Luke Skywalker whoop Darth Vader's ass and another three to see somebody finally show the finger to Sauron (though it was the wrong finger and it got chewed off immediately after...) see what I mean... that's good catharsis right there!

There is some shade of femdom in this update and the next; if it's not your cup of tea just bear with us. We promise is a one off

For the volume the advice is always the same, if you have very good speakers or an headset for the love of God set you main volume to 50% or so. To make sure it can be heard loud and clear on every device we test it on the crappy speakers of my old laptop. On anything better every sound is at risk of shattering your hear-drums

Finally the ever present complain from people who see their family jewels turn to a worrisome shade of blue (it's literally in every thread on this forum... including the technical help page 'though in that case is probably justified). The core of this update is basically a orgy with three hot women, if that doesn't do it I don't know what will... but we'll keep trying.

Once again thanks to everyone for their comments; we always read each and every one and rely on your feedback to create a game that pleases as many as possible.

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So unavoidable femdom not only in this current update but also in the next one. Yes, i did wait three movies for Luke to kick Darth Vader's ass, but this is a porn game, i don't need my protagonist to go through Mordor alongside a small deformed hobbit before the MC gets laid. The worse part is that some dead dude that was the MC's ancestor got laid more than the MC so far in the story, like actually what the fuck man?

If the game is forcing me after this update (which was kinda disappointing, not gonna lie) into a forced femdom situation with Bridgette, who mind you is just another person's SLAVE, then i'm sorry but i'll have to pass on this game. I was considering joining you all on patreon bc the renders are beautiful but after seeing that comment then... Yeah, might wait for another update and if im forced into femdom by someone else's slave then... It's a drop, i guess.
 

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....

And so for adult games, what I want is a good story with hot characters that I can help direct. I'm not trying to pretend to be the dude who's fucking the women. I want to watch THAT dude (or dudes) fuck them. I've always had a bit of a voyer streak in me with porn, and I just like watching hot people get sexy.
You have described the fundamental differences between many of those who hate NTR and those that enjoy it (or at least tolerate it). Lack of understanding between these two philosophies leads to all kinds of animosity and gnashing of teeth on this site. Like you, it is very rare for me to place myself in the stead of a character in these games. I look at myself as a type of Loki--someone that causes chaos and corruption. That's why I don't get bent if I see sex between other characters in a VN.

For me, it's a greater test of writing skills to see how the author approaches and resolves tension and conflict. It also explains why I tend to consider most (but not all) harem games to be a lazy way of writing. Yes, lots of peeps like that illusion, but for me there's no challenge.

Also, in my case anyway, I think in part it's a function of my age. I'm long (long) past college age and am not attracted to what I once was. Deeper plot, subtlety, being subversive ....those types of things appeal more now.
 

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I'll give this one more update but if in a game of mind control the MC keeps getting dominated around by a slave then... I'm sorry but that just doesn't sound really good, now does it?
they literally said that would be the only time, but you try to act like this whole game is going to be femdom focus. I don't like that type of content either, but this is not the theme of the game....
 

Kay_Kay

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Thanks to everyone for your feedback.

I am gonna try to address some of the issues that were brought up.

First of all it seems quite a few people are frustrated by the lack of payoff. Why the MC don't get to have his way with all these hot women already? I get your point.
I think that's mostly born from the big gap between updates and the fact that they are relatively short; every story have a set up and a payoff; typically the payoff is only a few pages away in a comic or a book or half an hour or so in a movie. Things get more tricky when dealing with a game where each installment is months apart from the previous one. Those lucky people in the future that will get to play the complete game in a couple of hours won't have to deal with any of that but for now all we can do is try to publish our updates faster and faster; which takes hardware and people; which as you probably guessed takes cold hard cash :rolleyes: (all our money is warm and soft... also we don't have a lot of it)
This said the next two installments are focused on progressing the MC story and getting some of that sweet sweet payoff.

That brings me around to the Brigitte hate; love her or hate her in this arc she mostly fit the shoes of the villain. If you feel frustrated about how she keep getting the upper hand on the MC and can't wait for the moment he can finally turn the tables on her or at least punch her in her smug face... well... good! That's exactly what you're supposed to feel. After all you waited three movies to see Luke Skywalker whoop Darth Vader's ass and another three to see somebody finally show the finger to Sauron (though it was the wrong finger and it got chewed off immediately after...) see what I mean... that's good catharsis right there!

There is some shade of femdom in this update and the next; if it's not your cup of tea just bear with us. We promise is a one off

For the volume the advice is always the same, if you have very good speakers or an headset for the love of God set you main volume to 50% or so. To make sure it can be heard loud and clear on every device we test it on the crappy speakers of my old laptop. On anything better every sound is at risk of shattering your hear-drums

Finally the ever present complain from people who see their family jewels turn to a worrisome shade of blue (it's literally in every thread on this forum... including the technical help page 'though in that case is probably justified). The core of this update is basically a orgy with three hot women, if that doesn't do it I don't know what will... but we'll keep trying.

Once again thanks to everyone for their comments; we always read each and every one and rely on your feedback to create a game that pleases as many as possible.

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You also seem to be missing the point, an orgy with three women is nice but if the MC is not involved in anything then... Dunno man, why even call him the MC? Might as well make a game which has no MC and just shows random scenes happening around the world, no?

You also said that you have read the issues and complains, and also that some of them are fair but proceed to ignore them completely and ur reply is: Just bear with it.

You/The team that's working on this project should really consider the thoughts of your players a bit more, because to be honest for what i have been reading almost 90% of the people here didn't like what you have prepared for the next update, especially because there's no pay off in this update, nor in the last one.
 

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they literally said that would be the only time, but you try to act like this whole game is going to be femdom focus. I don't like that type of content either, but this is not the theme of the game....
Where did i say that the game was only about femdom? The MC just got pushed around this update by someone's slave and the developer said that next update we can expect more or less the same, isn't that right? That's quite bad considering that each update is like four months apart, and that's A LOT of time just to expect being forced to a femdom scene and mind you, i don't mind if it's avoidable, then by all means do include it but the fact that we are most likely gonna get forced into it... It just doesn't suit well with me, and from what i have seen it doesn't sit well with a shit ton of other people either.

I also stated that in a game FOCUSED on mind control, don't know where u got that ''it's all about femdom'' stuff, but i just didn't say that. The thing i said is that in this update the MC just got ran over by a female SLAVE and the plans for the next update are to expand on that, which isn't a good look considering what this game is all about and the kind of audience it targets, wouldn't you agree?
 

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You have described the fundamental differences between many of those who hate NTR and those that enjoy it (or at least tolerate it). Lack of understanding between these two philosophies leads to all kinds of animosity and gnashing of teeth on this site. Like you, it is very rare for me to place myself in the stead of a character in these games. I look at myself as a type of Loki--someone that causes chaos and corruption. That's why I don't get bent if I see sex between other characters in a VN.

For me, it's a greater test of writing skills to see how the author approaches and resolves tension and conflict. It also explains why I tend to consider most (but not all) harem games to be a lazy way of writing. Yes, lots of peeps like that illusion, but for me there's no challenge.

Also, in my case anyway, I think in part it's a function of my age. I'm long (long) past college age and am not attracted to what I once was. Deeper plot, subtlety, being subversive ....those types of things appeal more now.
I get that view too and I often do that in games where I don't find any of the characters appealing (even from RP perspective). I 've played games where I'm making all the worst decisions just to fuck with the characters for the fun of it. But a game that manages to immerse you in its world is always better imo.
 
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Where did i say that the game was only about femdom? The MC just got pushed around this update by someone's slave and the developer said that next update we can expect more or less the same, isn't that right? That's quite bad considering that each update is like four months apart, and that's A LOT of time just to expect being forced to a femdom scene and mind you, i don't mind if it's avoidable, then by all means do include it but the fact that we are most likely gonna get forced into it... It just doesn't suit well with me, and from what i have seen it doesn't sit well with a shit ton of other people either.
well tough shit, they make the game not you. Not every game need to cater specificity for your kinks and likes and it shouldn't be, otherwise it would just be boring as hell.

I don't like femdom, but what I enjoy more is "taking someone down" so the more she pushes the mc the more satisfied I'll be. Seeing as they said this will be the only femdom content I don't feel like I have to worry about it, and now I'll see over the next two updates how the mc evolve.
 
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