Ren'Py The Mind Society [v0.5] [Adventures in ENF]

[Meghead]

I have a feeling, that every girl hates or dislikes the MC, and i dont know why, so I don't feel guilty for mind control them?

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

Is it less fem Dom now?

 

[AL.d]

Same, I'm a contrarian, the more people try and force me to do something the more I resist.
Like I'd be a terrible hostage, that shit would go south nearly instantly.

As for Brigitte, after the first time the MC got tied up because he didn't immediately go to her, the next time I saw her my greeting would be decidedly violent.

This reminds me of people asking why the protagonists in a horror movie go into the haunted place instead of noping out of there. Maybe because if they do that, there is no movie?

Yes the protag could refuse getting involved with the society and publicly execute whatshername for daring to threaten his uber-alpha masculinity. And then story ends, game over, awesome game 10/10....

In any case, I get the feeling people who got terribly traumatized from this game won't have to suffer long. At this development rate, it has "abandoned" written all over it.

 

[Content_Consumer]

This reminds me of people asking why the protagonists in a horror movie go into the haunted place instead of noping out of there. Maybe because if they do that, there is no movie?

Right, which means the writing is poor. It means the author hasn't come up with a motivation that maintains the suspension of disbelief.
A.K.A: Its not believable.

Yes the protag could refuse getting involved with the society and publicly execute whatshername for daring to threaten his uber-alpha masculinity. And then story ends, game over, awesome game 10/10....

So when you get abducted at gun-point, then later on get tied up and stripped naked and then the next day you again get tied up and this time sexually assaulted [at the very least, I'd argue its basically rape], your response is just 'ok, cool.' because getting angry and lashing out would be "uber-alpha masculinity"?

I guess I must be 'uber-alpha masculinity', because after that shit I'd be inclined to get a little punchy and a little stabby and endeavor to take out my anger on the perpetrator.

Is it less fem Dom now?

No.
the update starts out with the MC basically getting raped, though I'm sure some people would argue that it is *only* sexual assault.

 

[Canto Forte]

Revenge / make up / hard core sex is always the best remedy.

Right, which means the writing is poor. It means the author hasn't come up with a motivation that maintains the suspension of disbelief.
A.K.A: Its not believable.



So when you get abducted at gun-point, then later on get tied up and stripped naked and then the next day you again get tied up and this time sexually assaulted [at the very least, I'd argue its basically rape], your response is just 'ok, cool.' because getting angry and lashing out would be "uber-alpha masculinity"?

I guess I must be 'uber-alpha masculinity', because after that shit I'd be inclined to get a little punchy and a little stabby and endeavor to take out my anger on the perpetrator.





No.
the update starts out with the MC basically getting raped, though I'm sure some people would argue that it is *only* sexual assault.

Take over her mind and have your month of unquenched desire to punnish her every muscle.

 

[Arassei]

Heya,

I played the game. And I regret it so much...

How the hell is that possible, with such a power, to be such a beta ?
The only way to be more beta than this is to be the protag of an NTR story.

When Brigitte put a gun toward him, why he didn't just make her return the gun toward her arm or shoulder and press the trigger ?

When the MC ask her if she's happy with her position as "slave-slut", she just make a comparaison with normal people who goes to work everyday ? How is that even comparable , you shit ?

When the MC wants to know something about his father, why he just doesn't use that power on his step mother instead of just asking her a fucking coffee ?

And what the hell was that scene whith Alex ? Stopping her from lifting the weights ? Seriously ? And yeah, take your time to undress her boobs while she suffocating ! What's wrong with your head, MC ? No wonder you step-mom thinks of you like you're a shit.

And mistakes like this, the game is full of them. That was so... uurgh.

 

[Luziferii]

good game

 

[Content_Consumer]

Take over her mind and have your month of unquenched desire to punnish her every muscle.

Eh but if you have the power of mind-control then why would you want to waste your time on someone else's used-up cumdump?

She has told us that she's been someone else's sex toy so why go with their left-overs when you can just mind-control someone fresh who you actually don't already hate?

To keep with the second-hand sextoy metaphor;
That'd be like borrowing someone's fleshlight instead of buying your own despite being able to get a new one basically for free...

 

[dolfe67]

Eh but if you have the power of mind-control then why would you want to waste your time on someone else's used-up cumdump?

She has told us that she's been someone else's sex toy so why go with their left-overs when you can just mind-control someone fresh who you actually don't already hate?

To keep with the second-hand sextoy metaphor;
That'd be like borrowing someone's fleshlight instead of buying your own despite being able to get a new one basically for free...

Because unless you ask every girls if they're virgin, you won't use anyone. Not a lot of virgin girls out there (unless you go for underage...). And because you think it would piss off the "owner" if it doesn't bother you to use a "second-hand" thing

 

[snowman97]

Does someone have a full save from before the update? My old saves are deleted unfortunately

 

[AlisaB]

1. Short update
2. Protagonist is still too much of a bitch. He really did get raped by someone's slave
3. Sharon's face is really ugly. Even if shes supposed to be middle aged thats a face even mother wouldnt love.
4. When are we going to actually start using mind control powers for some kinky scenarios?

Eh but if you have the power of mind-control then why would you want to waste your time on someone else's used-up cumdump?

She has told us that she's been someone else's sex toy so why go with their left-overs when you can just mind-control someone fresh who you actually don't already hate?

To keep with the second-hand sextoy metaphor;
That'd be like borrowing someone's fleshlight instead of buying your own despite being able to get a new one basically for free...

Because part of the appeal of mind control fetish is toying with someone we hate. Also i dont get the "second-hand sextoy" comment - do you only fuck virgins irl(if anyone at all)? By making Briggite our slave we will get back at her and her master at the same time - sounds good to me.

 

[Content_Consumer]

Also i dont get the "second-hand sextoy" comment - do you only fuck virgins irl

As I said, its a metaphor, if you don't know what that means then look it up.

Its got nothing to do with being a virgin.
As I said, she's already told us she is someone else's sex toy, so as it relates to this mind-control scenario I wouldn't want someone else's already broken toys, I'd rather make my own new ones, aka: starting fresh, considering this MC is supposed to have mind-control it should be even easier to start on someone new rather than an already controlled sex puppet.

Now if you would want it then good for you, but in this case the MC/player isn't being given a choice, just like with Corinne, the player has no agency.
I'm just not a fan of the incel revenge fantasy. [which is what this is looking like so far]

Because unless you ask every girls if they're virgin, you won't use anyone. Not a lot of virgin girls out there (unless you go for underage...). And because you think it would piss off the "owner" if it doesn't bother you to use a "second-hand" thing

I didn't say virgin, I said fresh, as in not already some mind-controlled sex toy, which is what Brigitte is.

 

[desmosome]

So we pissed off the femenists AND the incels with this game. You are on a roll dev!

 

[ubblesnop]

I am sure once they see what happen next most of the people that were worried about femdom will draw a breath of relief.

No. I didn't want the experience of being raped vicariously. Not fun, not pleasant, at all. I would pay to go back in time and never play that scene.

Please, Mr. Dev, gain some clarity. Think for a while. Your username contains ENF; your character's screen has a male-dominating-a-female wallpaper. So why are so many of us who share those tastes, having such a bad experience with this game?

 

[DA22]

So we pissed off the femenists AND the incels with this game. You are on a roll dev!

Nah, just devs forgot this kind of content is not fun for everyone, especially if we cannot get our revenge yet on Brigitte and her master. Nothing wrong with a woman who is a bit aggressive but also shows care and love, she went way over the line though and just used MC and/or taught him a lesson about his insignificance. Well most people do not play the MC of a mind control game to be the victim or insignificant, they want to be the victimizer or if want to give it a more positive spin: the one who is in control.

Until it is so far this scene will give players a dirty taste in their mouth and quality of renders is great and animations, that also impacts the speed of development unfortunately so will be a while and for all that time the dirty taste will remain.

 

[waiwode]

Same, I'm a contrarian, the more people try and force me to do something the more I resist.
Like I'd be a terrible hostage, that shit would go south nearly instantly.

As for Brigitte, after the first time the MC got tied up because he didn't immediately go to her, the next time I saw her my greeting would be decidedly violent.

Maybe.

On the other hand you have access to the memories of two ambitious men who were both taken down by female servants immune to their mind control (and who may be supernatural creatures). That's a hell of a lesson and hard to ignore.

And here you are, confronted by a woman who is immune to your mind control. Violence seems like a really poor option for a high school kid with only moderate or non-existent physical training and no sign of combat experience.

Striking out on your own? Avoiding her? Giving her a polite "No thank you, I'm fine." These all seem like a way more positive choices than violence.

 

[dolfe67]

It's ok to have a slow development of a MC story-wise, but coupled to a slow game development pace it doesn't feel good. Perhaps in a few years (in real time, but maybe also in game time ) the MC will be able to use his power decently...

 

[Chimp :D]

The description of the game seems to warrant a corruption tag.

 

[AL.d]

Right, which means the writing is poor. It means the author hasn't come up with a motivation that maintains the suspension of disbelief.
A.K.A: Its not believable.



So when you get abducted at gun-point, then later on get tied up and stripped naked and then the next day you again get tied up and this time sexually assaulted [at the very least, I'd argue its basically rape], your response is just 'ok, cool.' because getting angry and lashing out would be "uber-alpha masculinity"?

I guess I must be 'uber-alpha masculinity', because after that shit I'd be inclined to get a little punchy and a little stabby and endeavor to take out my anger on the perpetrator.





No.
the update starts out with the MC basically getting raped, though I'm sure some people would argue that it is *only* sexual assault.

That was my point though...they are not meant to be believable so they shouldn't be judged by rl standards. Irl 99.9% of people would do the opposite of what horror protags are doing. Just as 99.9% of people wouldn't bother getting involved with the crazy chick and her mind control societies. Realistic writing kills those stories because I wouldn't want to play a game describing MC's legal procedures against the weird woman who abducted him...

All we can ask for, is for the writing to make some sense. In the context of the game MC's reaction makes sense because right now he has no power against her handlers. A macho dude who would take no shit from them and got stabby and punchy, would soon be a dead macho dude.

 

[DaClown]

The No Good Very Bad Main Character (I Hope He Dies Painfully of His Own Incompetence)

So far he has no goals or plans of his own - he just does whatever someone tells him to do(mostly Briggite). He doesnt need to be a cocky, arrogant asshole but it would be great if for example he started his own investigation into this secret organization.

Agreed. Time spent on fluff like animated combat isnt worth it when it comes at a cost of less porn/story progression.
Sex scenes ending on their own are unfortunately the norm, its like that with every one of the so far(Lara, Cleopatra, blonde chick masturbation). I also wish we had animation loops instead.

So the first thing you do when you discover a mind controlling society that watches your every move is to try and do research on them, before knowing how your own powers work?

Yes, im surprised you wouldnt. I would very much like to know who are these shady guys, what are their goals, resources etc. instead of blindly following orders from one of their goons. Of course MC can pretend to obey them for now.

And how would you go about it? would you go to the library and ask for the secret mind controlling society files, not knowing if the librarian is mind controlled or if any of their members is sitting right next to you? Brigitte obviously kills people for her master, and if you act like you start making trouble I don't see why she or her master would just let you go. Look at the memories and what happened to people who disobeyed the master.

The only way for him to get info is by talking to Brigitte, the mc tired to coast through life by avoiding problems now he has a chance to get back at them so why fuck it up by dying like a fool with nobody to remember you?

Yup! The society was like mafia, you are just some new guy joining their group and didn't gain any trust from them and yet already thinking about betray and dethrone the one in charge. Not gonna happen, and Brigitte was the example to not fully trusting MC: She served her master for long time, having skill of an assassin and doesn't mind to fucking murder or put you back to where you belong. You had to obey and do whatever the boss said, and training your power until you finally become strong and gain the trust from them before even planning on anything else

The issues presented and discussed here contribute heavily to the problems of what follows. Player character lacks premise and means. There are problems two ways. Either you argue the MC is such a vapid person that they would never conceive of autonomously finding out about mind control and how to secure themselves in the situation or you argue that they have sufficient mental facilities to work out immediate consequences of basic premises like "there exists more mind controllers than me and most of them are more powerful than I am by a large margin."

I'm presented by a main character that is vapid enough that I find it far more believable that he'd full heartly pick a fucking fight he absolutely could not win. The only alternative that I see as viable given the characterization so far is that he's such a fucking coward that he could never amount to anything even if you gave him the most amazing mind powers because he'd just be a monumentally powerful fuck up that lacked imagination and courage.

So which is it? Main character will become a badass and take over the world XOR main character is such a puntz that will never happen and they are fundamentally incapable/unmotivated? If they're the former than yeah they'd probably play their cards close to their chest and verify motivations and situations independently of the secret society; they don't have any good reasons at start--having a gun pointed at you does not engender trust and is not good reason--to believe anything the secret society says or accept anything they have to offer or seek indoctrination/induction into the cult or to tolerate being tailed and attacked by lackeys of that secret society.

If it is the latter then there's a lot of people "simping" for this project and they're the butt of the joke the dev is making.

Many if not most of the conditions are antithetical to the player character being effective at carrying out their apparently impotent desires, and the meta-game/meta-narrative structure of the media actively attacks the player's consent and sense of autonomy.

Problems of Narrative Priority in Interactive Media: Or the irrelevancy of plot

In the case of the "crystal memories" they are also a key element to the main plot.

honestly storywise i can understand someone being stronger then MC in this case Brigitte. but having the option to avoid a sex scene with characters is always nice. if you dont like a certain kink/character then bam give us the option to avoid it.

to be clear avoiding a scene and skipping a scene are different.

One of the key mystery in the story is the identity of the MC's true parents; adding a mod like that would turn the whole plot into a nonsensical mess

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I can't be the only one skipping those flashbacks...

Imo, it'd be much better to focus on MC story progression than wasting so many renders on exposition that could have been described with a few lines of text or a couple renders at most.

They are just visions from the past, those women die a long time ago in MC's universe. I get that we still didn't have any sex moment between him and any girl yet, but that was not NTR

Just thinking out loud here, but part of the reason for the frustration may be that the devs' past work has been in comics, where shifts in perspective and setting are quite natural since you're (generally) not expected to identify with any particular protagonist. But in a game, where you're roleplaying the main character, scenes that don't involve the MC (or only exist in the MC's imagination) just feel like so much dead air.

I don't need the MC to immediately become omnipotent ruler of all he surveys, slow build-ups are fine, I just want him to at least be involved in the story (preferably showing a bit of backbone). The scenes in the past and the various fantasy scenes would work just fine in a comic, but feel out of place in a game (to me, anyway). Hopefully this will even out as the main story picks up a bit.

The issue with this game is that it focuses a lot on characters the player doesn't know and doesn't give a shit about

The good news is that starting with our next chapter rather then a "get the hot scene or not" choice we will have more of a "get hot scene A or hot scene B" situation; choices will also start to count toward different events down the road. Also we don't want to create a game that punish the player, there are no game overs, none of those "oh no, I hit the wrong option now I'll have to replay the annoying mini-game!" that just force the player to reload continuously or mash that "back" button; we want the player to be able to sit back and enjoy the ride, to feel free to make nonsensical decisions just for the kick of it and maybe even get unexpected rewards for that.

I'm normally in favor of two good choices, but in this case, I don't think the dev team understand what two good choices looks like to the player base. Cause if I have two choices before me and they are both fucking Bridgitt then I have 0 good choices. Best choice for me and many other players will be "NO." if all choices presented at an apparent junction are getting raped then again doesn't matter how sexy the devs find that or how sexy some players find that there are for a lot of players no good choices.

The nature of interactive fiction and game design is such that narrative generally takes lower priority to game play and player interactivity. You have to find the reasons the players are going to care about the content you're producing. Just producing content and throwing it out there will get a certain amount of interest and approval as is apparent throughout these threads, but "if you make it they will enjoy it" mentality is dangerous for the community, the player base, the dev team, and the industry y'all are implicitly working in.

In short, there's a lot of players who don't give a fuck and can't give a fuck about your exposition. Plottiness is a bug not a feature to many players.

Main character is thoroughly unlikeable. Surrounded by spiteful, petty, hateful, or unlikeable characters. Why the fuck do y'all think we'd want to know who the fuck the parents of this hot mess is? Don't care if they are God themself. Can not be bothered to give a second thought to that when the limo driver is marching me at gun point.

Content and Content Issues

Well, it is obvious that the dev/team has a fetish for a certain female body type. The lack of variety is a bit of an issue. LOL

Lack of diversity of body types is among the least of the issues with this game development project, but lack of diversity of personality and body types among the only romantic/erotic interests and main characters is a major lost opportunity. Makes the characters more forgettable. Narrows the potential audience significantly.

Honestly I'm so confuse on the hate of femdom, maybe the heavy femdom but a little light dominating would not hurt at all. But just to be sure, next time let them have a choice to avoiding it so that no more complaining toward you about it
And will we got incest content with the mom and sis like it need to be? Patreon these day being a very bad dick to any incest relates

That statement is fucked up in so many way.

FemDom isn't necessarily heavy or light based on what happens to the victim. At least from my point of view one way it's heavy or light depends on whether the victim has given consent, or whether the victims consent matters at all. So far into the scene it's clear the MC's consent does not matter. Whatever is going to happen is going to be up to Brigitte. MC's getting raped whether he "enjoys" it or not.

Add to that MC was just reliving a memory where the victim to be mind controlled was humiliated and sexually assaulted/aroused by the female minions of the mind controller. Then the memory reinforced the existence of "The One" who wants to control all with mind control abilities.

Wake up and MC is tied spread eagle to a bed and about to be sexually assaulted/aroused by the female minion of another mind controller and Brigitte is giving off a lot of the same energy as "The One's" minions from the memory he just returned from.

If you didn't write it this way to make the MC wake up and immediately become *really* angry or scared out of his wits I'm really disappointed in your writing skills.

If you don't like "rape" in a mind control game, this is not for you

A big part of why I have been summoned here to express my anger with the dev about this work is rape should be clearly tagged in games especially with content warnings and trigger warnings all through out and preferably content filters and other mechanisms for metaconsent between the player and the developer.

The problem here is that it is unavoidable, untagged, mistagged, the dev argues about whether or how it should be tagged, and there is a distinct difference between the player character getting raped vs NPCs getting raped. There absolutely always should be explicit player informed consent when a player character is involved.

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like i sayed i will pass, dont need to quote me more here it was unecesary update with disqusting content...

Excuses to engage in bulk violence against women is always worth criticizing. Even if it is the central premise or thesis or theme of a work, there are better ways to present it or do it. This is not a good way.

Based on how the flashback scenes and the opening, I wouldn't call it love. It's building up on the master - servant relationship, I think it's building loyally, but in the end it's fairly similar.

I would say though, that only a couple of characters were super bitchy but most of the women weren't horrible so there is places to explore different relationship styles. We will see once we get there.

What I mean is BDSM stand for Bondage Discipline and Sadism Masochism... I think? We like the bondage but the rest of the letters are pretty out of our wheelhouse but the tags are not quite as nuanced.

Bondage Dominance/Submission Sadism/Masochism is common decoding of it. Even if this is BDSM aided by mind control the writing and presentation comes off as an incompetent dom teaching wannabe doms how to be incompetent doms. Again, there's a bunch of things here which are decidedly anti-sexy.

Mind control powers don't need to lead to dominance and BDSM at all. I really hope that isn't the direction that the game takes, because that is absolutely not what I'm into. My hope is that he uses his powers to just bend people in the direction that he wants them to be in. Make the women act sexier and more open. Make them lose their inhibitions gradually, ect. That's what I'm into.

This is generally what the better written mind control ends up being like. Badly written stuff tends to be "You are a blank and mindless doll" and they are a blank and mindless doll then that is repeated ad nausea for every other character--inevitably all female--making all the characters carbon copies and cardboard cutouts of each other and totally fungible and interchangeable and forgettable.

Dev confirms this is mind control into BDSM. Which is actually one of the hard forms to write convincingly and well as it requires deep technical understanding of BDSM practices, BDSM training methods, BDSM politics, and BDSM philosophies to pull off. Then it requires a lot of thought about how mind control powers work and don't work, how the scope of the mind control powers effects the larger world and specifically the individual relationships of the player character with the other characters, and what happens when there are multiple mind controllers with different powers and degrees of power including mundane power.

Bad BDSM representation is just threats, force to harm or kill, abuse, and coercion.

with the mind control and male domination i dont think u will have ntr

You have categorically more powerful explicitly male dominators with possibly centuries of experience against you. They also have mind control. NTR is 100% probable, and it is less believable that it wouldn't happen in such a world to someone as thoroughly unlikeable and socially disconnected as the player character.

Autonomy, Freedom of Choice, and Illusion of Choice in Interactive Mind Control Media.

more freedom of choice to the player

My only complain at this point is the illusion of choice. Right now they boil down to experience another (hot) scene or skip it while the story seems to be progress the same way anyway. I acted like an ass while save scumming and was curious if she something would happen to me especially since the driver has a gun but nothing. All choices lead to the same path more or less.

EDIT: re: the mechanics of corruption; Yeah, the number at the top right of the screen doesn't really make too much sense. But, frankly, it doesn't really have to. "I get better the more I do it, and it gets easier the more I do it to them" is perfectly adequate as long as you're not testing the player somehow. Right now it just seems like an arbitrary number indicating how strong you are, and as long as it stays that way, I couldn't possible give less of a shit.

Not much need for them yet. The mechanical side of the game doesn't really come into play thus far: It's choice-driven rather than stat-driven.

There are a few alternate scenes (do you go see Brigitte when she calls or keep sleeping, who do you persuade to do the photo shoot) but it's fairly limited so far.

So far the only sandbox element is the house though, there is no reason to make the whole world a sandbox.

I'd argue for eliminating the house sandbox element and replacing it with context menus instead; it contributes little to nothing to immersion and is thematically unnecessary in a story ostensibly about mind control and character-to-character interactions. Especially given that gamification of the environment is not a strength of the dev team.

Sandbox/free-roam/point-and-click is usually a terrible idea for a VN, its one of the most disliked mechanics that is commonly used.

Usually its either used as a way to basically have a scene selector or a way to pad-out a low-content story.

That said, IF it is done well and only used where needed, it can work.

Personally I prefer have having no such 'feature' and instead rather a dev use a menu/dialogue driven system.

A good story with strong dialogue in VN style will always, IMO, be better than a half-arsed "game" style that is little more than a scene selector.

For an example, look at Rebirth, it has "powers" or "abilities" but, so far, is totally story/dialogue driven and is one of, IMO, the best VNs on here currently.

Also have a look at Bad Memories, it has limited sandbox/free-roam features and is mostly story driven but is still really well done, so far.
Personally I think Bad Memories would be better without the free-roam/sandbox, in stead just using a dialogue/menu system, but at least so far their feature choice doesn't feel bad.

While a hallway VN can be good if done really, really well (and this one has been so far) a sandbox or semi-sandbox just makes the whole experience so much more enjoyable for me.

I think a game based on the mind control or the corruption of the characters is better when they are a sandbox or a semi-sandbox (I prefer the semi).

In short: He can't please everyone and shouldn't have to or the game would be a mess, but can put a neutral way of dealing with them by giving choices

Legit couldn't agree more with you, these dudes really be acting like the whole concept of this game isn't built around a main character who has mind control powers, yet all I have seen so far is a main character who gets pushed around each update, and the only action here is within flashbacks lmao! The dev might have to reconsider which audience he is targeting, simple as that.

He has built a sizable audience around the concept of mind control/maledom/BDSM, yet his last two updates seem to have landed bad with most -if not- almost all of the player base. I don't know, just hoping he might reconsider were this game is heading.

I'll give this one more update but if in a game of mind control the MC keeps getting dominated around by a slave then... I'm sorry but that just doesn't sound really good, now does it?

Many VNs/games it is forgiveable if the story is constructed with the illusion of choice for the player or player character; choices may exist in those contexts to check in on whether the player is still reading or otherwise actively engaged or interacting with the text.

In mind control genre interactive fic and games however the illusion of control especially when it is easily broken is an unforgivable flaw in the design. If you're the subject of the mind control it can be forgivable but not when you are the mind controller. Autonomy is paramount.

This favors interesting situation generators over linear narratives for the construction of credible mind control narratives. There are a lot of examples that do this better.

The issue here is that the devs do not have sufficient resources to do even what they're good at well. A bad sandbox makes a bad mind control VN worse. If the devs had a member of the team that can handle the programming and UX and accessibility issues associated with establishing a good main game play loop in a sandbox space then maybe advocating that would be good. Otherwise, it is always better to cut subpar content or "features" rather than limp along with a cancerous tumor.

You answered your own question with the "you play as" part. You play, you don't just watch.

I'm not a fan of multiple protags in porn games as devs usually do it wrong but in mainstream games it can be done right. Witcher 3, one of the most acclaimed games ever has many flashback segments. But you get to play through those, controlling another character, making decisions and interacting with the world. You don't just sit and watch like it's a movie.

I guess it depends on how you play. I play games in basically the exact same way that I read erotic comics, except that the benefit is that I can make some choices and in a great game, chose the order in which I do things and replay scenes that I like. I have no desire have the MC "be me".

This is such a level of dissociation that I can't relate with. The game is told from a first person perspective. By the very visual language used, it identifies you implicitly with the main character. The story is not only telling you things and showing you things; it is saying things about you personally and the kinds of people who play this kind of game. You may have no desire to have the MC be you, but the MC has the same kind of sentiment about themselves, so I guess you're still identified, no?

Consent and Autonomy of the Player: the Ability to Say "NO" Within the Diagesis

I remember that I played only the first version, the friend of the MC who rides him is fucking another guy, can we reject her or is it all forced?

will it be possible to avoid that corinne girl in the future?

THIS.
I agree. I hope I can avoid Corinne and not be forced to romance her or fuck her. Hopefully the MC uses her powers to tell her to fuck off. xd

At this rate, the MC will turn all the girls into lesbians and they will fuck each other while the MC watches. I see totally useless when a mind control-themed game lacks giving you options about what you want to do with those powers and forces you to do things even if you don't want to because "it's necessary for the plot" or something like that. I mean, I'm not going to complain about telling Sharon to stop being a bitch to the MC, or to have Jenny unbutton a couple of buttons. The description says "How will you use this newfound power is up to you.". I understand that it refers to the player. But I would like to have more freedom. I hope this will be the case in the future. Mind control has a lot more potential than just forcing girls to be horny all the time and corrupting them. So far there have been several options to do good things or to think responsibly about the MC's powers. Hopefully this is so. I don't want my MC to become a pervert. For history and background, this game has me very intrigued and hooked. I hope my expectations are met. Perhaps with the passage of updates I realize whether or not this game is for me. I think they are still in an early stage and have a lot of good things to explore and exploit.

Maybe I just said things that I didn't like. But I'm serious when I say that I like the game. And I look forward to more content. And more good and nice characters, like Jenny.

is the sex going to be optional or forced because i really couldn't give 2 shits about Brigitte and no its not just about the femdom im just not interested in her

Take over her mind and have your month of unquenched desire to punnish her every muscle.

So unavoidable femdom not only in this current update but also in the next one. Yes, i did wait three movies for Luke to kick Darth Vader's ass, but this is a porn game, i don't need my protagonist to go through Mordor alongside a small deformed hobbit before the MC gets laid. The worse part is that some dead dude that was the MC's ancestor got laid more than the MC so far in the story, like actually what the fuck man?

If the game is forcing me after this update (which was kinda disappointing, not gonna lie) into a forced femdom situation with Bridgette, who mind you is just another person's SLAVE, then i'm sorry but i'll have to pass on this game. I was considering joining you all on patreon bc the renders are beautiful but after seeing that comment then... Yeah, might wait for another update and if im forced into femdom by someone else's slave then... It's a drop, i guess.

I have a feeling, that every girl hates or dislikes the MC, and i dont know why, so I don't feel guilty for mind control them?

For me the issue is that I don't want to mind control any of them. I don't want anything to do with them.

The only thing I would use the mind control powers for in most of the situations presented would be tell them to go as far away from me as possible.

For the characters that I care about--assuming any come about during the course of the game--I would use my mind control powers to protect them because anyone associated with me is fundamentally going to be fucked one way or another.

There is no circumstance under which I have interest in Brigitte. Not even utilitarian or revenge porn purposes. She's fundamentally untrustable and again dangerous to the MC in the extreme. Mind control against someone who doesn't know and has no training to defend against it is entirely different from mind control against someone who knows that you're a mind controller and knows more about how that feels and works than you do and is conditioned by master mind controllers with way more power and experience than you do.

If you think you're going to convincingly outwit her then I have a dead Sicilian to show you.

In any case, there is a significant chunk of the player base who would use their first successful mind control powered command against her to get her to never bother them again.

My personal view of her is between not interested and don't want her in my story to if cornered considering her a lethal threat and a means to send an unambiguous message to the society. Peace means I get to discover the mind control for myself and make my mistakes and keep my autonomy. Otherwise, it is war to destruction. It can't be any other way in a world in which a mind controller may show up in your room one night and completely change you as a person or make you their slave on a whim or order their armies to murder you or destroy your life and social prospects.

Any mind control story that does not include the possible excercise of the power to get rid of prospective characters fails immensely and immediately. The nature of autonomy particularly in the context of mind control is that you have the absolute power to say no to things. No is the most powerful command a mind controller has. Lacking that you have nothing.

You're silly. You can't break her mind and breed her if she's dead.

As far as I am concerned, her line ends with her.

Summary of Problems of the Game Development Project Beyond the Specific Concerns of the Mind Control Genre

Let's see:

1. Characters I want to mass murder? check!

2. Wimpy MC that gets dreams that have more action in them than he gets? Got it

3. Unavoidable scenes that end abruptly? Fuck it why not?

The only good thing I can say is that the renders are fantastic.

1. Short update, i would expect more after 3 months. At this pace this game will not be finished in our lifetime(unless it ends up very short with little content). Fight scene was unnecessarily long(+animated) - im guessing it took some time that could have been used for something better... like porn.
2. Pure visual novel this time, no gameplay, no decisions.
3. Brigitte is annoying, needs to be put in her place ASAP
4. Femdom sucks! It sucks twice as much in a game focused around maledom(through mind control). I really hope in the next update MC turns the tables on this bitch.
5. Wimpy protagonist... ugh I get that it allows for "character development" etc. but he could have been more confident and determined.

This is as relevant today as it was when it was first posted.

With the last update (v.0.4.1) we clocked the gameplay at 70 minutes (including a bit of back and forth to see all the paths) there is a

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of version 0.4 is divided in two videos and clocks at roughly 60 minutes with maybe 10 minutes of non-gameplay related footage.

Obviously the game is far from finished (I would say 10% of the total at the most) and we all wish there was more material to it (In fact we're producing more as we speak) but calling it a trailer or a few minutes of gameplay seems like an exaggeration.

Anyway I take it to mean that the people demand more and since we want to make more... I guess we're all on the same page?

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I'd estimate the current amount of content at around 15 to 20 minutes if you don't absolute zip-sequel through all the renders--which are the strongest part of this design. A lot of the text is expository vomit that is unnecessary to read and reads like a wall of text because you can infere the vast majority of what is going on immediately from a few central premises that are deliberately obscured.

Do you know what the Volume setting is for? Cause I don't think you do.

Edit: Alright, let's get this over with. The renders look good and the story is interesting, that is all I have to say on positives. I find the obnoxious and so far pointless navigation system with no indication as to where I'm going to be a stain upon what could have been a good game. This coupled with the painfully loud sound effects at game launch and in game, even after I muted it, it isn't looking too good. If you don't lay proper groundwork, the game and its code is going to suffer later in development. Think hard about what you actually want in the game and how you want it to play. If the navigation system serves no purpose, why not just move us on to the next scene? If it does, it needs to be improved. As for the sound, you should really think of a different intro, preferably one that doesn't cause ears to bleed, and should work on making sure your systems, such as volume sliders, actually work.

As much as I'd like to say something like, "Oh, there is so much potential here!", that doesn't really mean much, as the list of abandoned games on this site proves. If you can't get even the basics of the program right, what reason do I, or other potential patreons, have to believe this one won't be abandoned too?

I dont get the praise.
It is mediocre at best.

Unlikeable woman(in both looks and personalty).
A gift inherrited for no apparent reason.
A secret sociaty.
A compleet lack of the feeling of control.
Linear as hell.
The main character is a moron.

It is decent but nowhere nearly as good as the praise it is getting.

I suppose they can be overwhelming at times if your system volume is cranked up, we'll look into it.

Or if you have your headphones on and the volume set to a very reasonable level; the embedded audio is mic'ed way to high to be safe for the hardware or the player. The person doing the audio editing on the videos needs to calibrate their levels a lot quieter. Also, y'all need to get over the way you were doing it ten or fifteen years ago and learn the new encoding software and the proper Ren'Py video/audio pipelines.

... after having played through the game, reviewed the assets, read through this thread, and looked at the patreon page and website ...

I have don't feel confident about the future update of this game. At present, it is a preview or very, very short demo at best.

I could be wrong of course. I hope I am wrong.

It just didn't play like a 1.89 GB image folder game. To me it felt heavily padded.

Thank you for your reply. The next update will clarify everything I am sure.

As for video compression, stop living in the past man. haha. This is Ren'py, there is more than one way to skin that cat. animation.rpy will save you work and file size.

your image folder size is not caused by animation, cos you have very very few animations for the game.

a 1.89 GB image folder provides much much more than the 15 minute gameplay in your demo. the difference is measured in hours.

motherfucking MUTE means motherfucking MUTE goddamn it.
So when I mute everything, I don't want to nor expect to hear spanking noises and people groaning within the first few seconds of playing this game.

I don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp cause recently I've been finding more and more games pulling this shit.
I haven't even played the game yet it's pissing me off right at the start, which is never a good idea.

The issue is usually with audio embedded in animations/video: Video clips don't obey the ren'py audio settings, which can be fairly disconcerting when you've otherwise muted the game to listen to something else.

Yep, so the issue here is that your movie files had embedded audio. Ren'py's volume controls, as has been pointed out, don't affect video audio at all.

What you should be doing instead is:

1. Have no audio in any video files. Bold because it's important – users of smut games should be able to mute
2. Repackage the audio into their own files, e.g .ogg
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   to play the music when the audioless videos begin.

The fact that Ren'py has no controls over video audio is its own issue but whatcha gonna do.

The game has a lot of animation, that means that depending on how good of a setup the dev has he can only do so much content in a certain time, since decent animations just take way more renders as a great still. (Also there are two paths there, either the model or someone else will model for the shoot. )

Animations can def add to a game when well done, unfortunately they will make development a lot slower though especially since rendering will normally be the bottleneck for most devs timewise and not the writing.

aside from that. i gotta ask how long does the animations take to render? specifically the combat scene. i mean the gap between updates is one thing. but only 200 renders in all that time and the rest is animations? thats seems like alot of time that could be used to progress the story more cause this update was short. also not sure how i feel about the flashback scenes, would rather focus on getting MC some action then watching past people. but thats just me.

The biggest problem with the project is that it establishes basically none of the infrastructure it needs to for the long term development of the project.

The clear strength of the dev team is also what is making development so very slow and pulling much needed attention away from the other areas of development.

Rather than concepting in the entire game, the game development is halting around rendering "finished" art for something that barely reaches the status of an early Alpha. As pointed out in the above summaries, we will not see this finished in our lifetime with the current development values, practices, and methods.

The team needs a UX designer. If they're not going to fully commit to a RPG/Sim genre of game play then they should cut that content and go for more of a cinematic presentation especially if there is no significant branching and no ability to say no to any of the content. If this is going to be properly gamified though then they should hire a game designer or someone should heavily train in game design practices. Probably should also seek out writers and consultants for both the mind control writing AND for the BDSM writing. At the least pick up some manuals and literature from the BDSM communities and incorporate that into the writing.

Future updates should drastically slim down the file size. There should be 99% more placeholder text and art until all the storyboard is installed in the prototype and the basic game mechanics and game play loop are established and playtested. Game development should not be moving at the speed of the finished-art-render-pipeline. Patch in finished renders as they're available, but patch together the basic infratructure first and foremost. Keep in mind that if you take 10 to 20 years to do all this then you're going to change engines or engine versions and pretty much all of this media will be junk by that point. If you grow as an artist as you should then it will become stylistically incompatible.