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fair enough that was easy for me to forgive given the context of everything else but I get it she is an acquired taste not everyone can look past that.
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The one I actually have the most points with is Medb and she just told me to GTFO so ... lol, oh well. Did the speed run, she is close to zero ... not at zero because a few times the other option was just dumb but ... ready for the next installment I think.
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Yeah, it's one of the biggest tropes in love story storytelling, it starts as a job but feelings gets acquired on the way. I love that trope
My only hope is a chance to push Kaija off a cliff and see her fall to death, like the dream sequence of Artemis.
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I love that scene! One of the best ever. I had to rollback and doit a few times imagining my ex hahaI my only hope is a chance to push Kaija off a cliff and see her fall to death, like the dream sequence of Artemis.
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Lets go full ham thenI my only hope is a chance to push Kaija off a cliff and see her fall to death, like the dream sequence of Artemis.
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as bad as she is there is a few more LI out there I hate more haha.
You hate more than Cass or Kaija, kinda ambiguous there.
Btw, hate is a strong word but if I have to choose I'd probably go with entire cast of Triple Ex, they are the worst of worst. For Kaija though, not hate just genuine dislike to what she represents.
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Well I was clearly talking about Cass , i'm one of Kaija's biggest fan's on this thread haha. Only time I liked someone more than Kaija was when Fin was alive.You hate more than Cass or Kaija, kinda ambiguous there.
I'm curious if people with this perspective would view things differently if the situation was grounded more in reality than fantasy.
For example, if Kaija was like... a secret CIA operative protecting you from international crime syndicates that had a grudge against your parents. Personally, it'd be upsetting but quickly forgivable. The only potential romantic partners she could have while being transparent without breaking other vows would be CIA operative within the same operational unit. And your parents specifically told her not to tell you. So it's easy for me to empathize with the conflict she must have felt wanting to be honest with you as romantic feelings grew but not being able to without becoming foresworn or even potentially putting you in danger.
Yes, learning she's been dishonest would hurt, probably quite a bit. But if it was clear that she was remorseful and wanted to tell you but couldn't, I'd likely be quick to forgive with the caveat that going forward we're in it together.
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I can pass you a save with Medb, Fiona, Elea maxed, and Kaija 0
although I want you to consider one thing, the Rel points, are not equal that you can get engaged in Sex they are just there to show how open a character is to help you as MC or not.
It amazes me again and again, reading this strong rejection of Kaija and the Knights Templar order.
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And there's a difference there....exactly how?
Exactly..there isn't. There is a reason 'operatives' like that are discouraged from being in relationships (before the world went fucking mad and saying that to someone, especially a woman, was no longer deemed PC).
I didn't say there was a difference; I intentionally made it as similar as possible. I just was wondering if some people would view it different because the perspective of "reality" vs "fantasy" changed.
I suspect that in the real world, if romantic feelings developed, Kaija would have been rotated out and someone else take her place for the reasons you mentioned. That's where a difference does arise though in that the Templars have no desire to do that even if Kaija asked for it. In the comparison, the CIA probably would discourage a relationship while here the Templars actively encourage it.
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Well, true ; one big point of the plot, ( great job Ceo) is that If you dislike the "Knight Templar Order" and therefore Kaija, you implicitly dislike your own roots, since MC is the son of the Great grandmaster, and a high ranked operative, he grew up in this secretive environment.
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You missed my point though...the perspective has not changed, just the setting.
You still have no idea why she would really be with you, job, love...anything else...also, just like Kaija, how can she protect you when half the time she is never actually there....so there is no perspective change, nothing has changed.
Yes you are correct, in real life they would be replaced, they would not be able to just 'resign', it would just be 50 shades of very messy (as it is in the game) but the bottom line remains, you have led a life that is a lie. Like all the bullshit you read on social media regarding kids and finding out it isn't yours or that your wife cheated 15 years earlier. Your whole entire relationship is a lie and is based and built upon lies. So no, I wouldn't care how much she said she loved me, whether we had kids or not or how damn hot she was...I'd check out.
The setting really doesn't matter all that much, nor the perspective, does it.
Edit: Just like to add while I remember, my good friend Grumpy Old Aussie mentioned Steph in LoF. Very different situation. She went MIA and quiet on her bosses for almost 2 years...becuase she loved him and put him first. She was subsequently arrested for it....snuck back out for that final day on the beach to sneak the letter to him. She left again as she realised her situation was untennable and had to leave him. Should she have told him..and then left? That's a difficult one...but her redemtion arc made sense somewhat and she wanted out of the organisation to live her life.
Can't say the same for Miss Kaija now can we (or certainly not yet at least...even on the love path..she has no intention of leaving the templars...).
All I can say to the Kaija forgivers is, you're more of a man than I am...or more idiotic to forgive the level of lies that affect your life, affect your 'actual beating heart physical life' and must like being walked all over by a (in this particular instance) woman who does what she likes knowing she can sweet talk you into forgiving her....been there done that shit and if a woman lies to me about which shop she went into and whether she bought nail polish or not I'm gone. There is NEVER a reason for lies in a relatiosnhip (otherwise, in reality, you really don't actually have a relationship). Lie about simple shit? Who knows what big stuff they'd happily cover up. Being quick to forgive, easily gloss over shit, won't make your life any easier in the long run and seriousloy, have some self-respect.
This also applies to both sexes btw before any idiot tries to acuse me of sexism or misogyny. To all the usual suspect trolls in this thread, this is NOT because she is a woman.....it's because she is a fucking liar and you cannot trust liars. Their sex is irelevent.
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I think this might be the core of the difference in our perspectives.
I tend not to see things in terms of absolutes. In my view, their relationship is a mix of truth and lies rather than entirely lies. She was childhood friends with you long before she was ordered to stay close to you, so there's certainly elements of truth there, even if later on she was ordered to stay close. And, depending on if you believe her and others, while she was ordered to try to start a romantic relationship with you, she refused. So the romantic nature of your relationship developed despite her refusal to follow it out of orders, which suggests that the attraction and affection may be genuine.
I guess my perspective is that, once the lies are removed, what remains? It sounds like you feel that nothing would, or nothing you could trust. But in my case, while part of the original reason for Kaija staying close would be gone, the childhood friendship and "organic" romantic affection could remain, even if in a fragile state. Whether or not the fragile parts that remain could recover and fill the gaps would depend on how forgiving MC is, how remorseful Kaija is, and how committed they both were to communicating and filing the holes left by the lies with honesty rather than more lies.
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Anyone who has had a relationship where one (or both) comitted some atrocity (cheating etc) and they stay together...will know...this very, very, very rarely ever works....
The jilted partner will never, never forget what happened....even if they say they will move on and put it behind them...and always be distrustful over the simplest of things. Really...why would you live like that? Masachism? Self loathing? Fear of loneliness? Let me remind people (some probably really need to hear this if they are young), love alone will never keep a relatiosnhip going. Neither will a lack of trust.
Only on one path but even on that path, she was quite happy to lie to you daily and, directly to your face (not me being intenionally obtuse, nor is it opinion, thats a statement of fact and unfortunately in the world we live in now, plenty of folk seem to have an issue accepting facts).
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This is what I basically meant, thanks for putting it in much better words
And for once I strongly disagree with Maviarab, go figure.....
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Fair point indeed...but then, no one ever asked to be born, let alone to those particular parents. Nothing wrong with not being interested in your 'roots' or wanting to move away from your 'background', especially if it's less than savory.
Even more so here, we (MC) were not even aware of our roots lol.