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Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't think anyone here was claiming that.
I think that's one part of their relationship no one should have any reason to doubt.
They were friend, best friends for years.
Difference of opinion is mostly if friendship turned into romantic relationship and love (positive view) , or if duty won over friendship, causing romantic relationship to start for wrong reasons, which later grew into honest love (cynical view).
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Finally making decisions and going with two routes - Medb and Finoa. Fiona is definitely hiding something, but I also haven't known her very long so keeping secrets from people you've just met is ok, we'll see how it goes. And Medb might end up being a celibate route but I still like her and want to help the Elves. I really just can't get into Elea and .. Kajia is just out. I mean, even if I could forgive her for all the lies, she would have to leave the Templars for there to be any chance. One of the biggest lies was her going on "business trips" where she easily could have been killed and MC would never know what happened. So there couldn't be any more of that, she'd have to leave the Templars and find a life where she was home every night before I would feel comfortable with it (and that is all IF I could forgive her for everything else), and given that she chose "Duty" over "MC" every day of their relationship, I don't see that happening - I also have no intention of joining the Templars OR having a GF / Wife / whatever who is a Templar. (If that turns out to be Fiona secret - she will be gone in an instant.) Anyway, the other girls I like all look like they'll be side girls and there won't be much to their "path".
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So what if MC offered to help / spy for / possibly do some sabotage for the Elves and, as part of that arrangement went to the cartels of Neverwhere and offered them intel on the Templars if they wanted to break the agreement and start moving into the human world again. Have the Elves hold back on an attack until the war between Neverwhere and the Templars was well underway and then when the time comes, assist the Elves with an attack - with MC operating inside the castle. With .... whatever the Hellspawn are doing that would mean that the few hundred Templars would be fighting a war on at least 3 fronts. Could potentially even open a 4th front - by working with investigative journalists, getting them hard evidence of the Templar's existence and then once people believe the Templars exist, convince them that the war / Hellspawn all of it is the Templar's doing - that they caused it all so that the public turns against them as well. That should be enough for the Templars to fall, with minimal casualties for the Elves so that they aren't doomed to extinction.
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I dunno ... maybe it's just about Paths but when we met at the park and MC asked if she loved him - in my game - she said she felt something, but she didn't know if it was enough to call it love. That's pretty harsh even for a 'best friend' and also - at some point she got all the training to basically be a ninja now - she got all that training without her "best friend" knowing anything about it. She's apparently been lying and hiding things from him for way longer than they've even been together - even the best friend thing was apparently fake.
Love path - Friendship (for wrong reasons) turns into relationship -> Into love
Non-love path - Friendship (for wrong reasons) turns into relationship -> Into job for her
On non-love path, the moment she entered relationship, is the moment Kaija values her job more than her friendship.
So initial friendship was definitely true. Later, once she's turned into full blown Templar, it's either changed to love or job.
In both cases though, they were friends for years. My opinion? That was genuine and I've never seen proof of otherwise.
Hiding stuff? She's government agent (not really, but you can look at it that way), of course she won't tell him what she's doing.
Nothing wrong with her job being secret. I doubt guys working for CIA tell their friends what they do at their job.
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What I mean is that she somehow managed years and years of training - given her age and skill level, it presumably started when she was a teenager or even a child - without her "best friend" knowing anything about it so they couldn't have been as close as MC thought. At any rate, I'm convinced at this point that their entire relationship - no matter how far back it goes, was a scam and if I played the love path and her attitude was different, I would just think that she was still lying about it and continuing to do her job. I've said it before a few times but the only way I'd be convinced of anything different - on any path - is if she left the Templars to demonstrate that their relationship was really important to her.
To clarify, I am an absolute Kaija hater.
But their initial friendship is not something that I see sketchy in any way.
As for what happens in future, while I'm not doing any true romance path with her (I do have a run with only 1-2 points missing, so anything but kissing or expressing love), I am genuinely interested if, should MC ask, she will leave Templars.
That's kind of ultimate question for me: Is love so genuine she'd drop her job for it?
If the answer is no, well then, not much further to be said.
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Yeah that would have been my first question in my initial conversation with her about it. It seems like a strange thing to put in later in the game. The first thing I would have said - right after MC's attempted kidnapping is "you have to choose, you can be with me or you can be a Templar but not both." Give her a few days to consider, if she needs it but that's about it. You'd find out right then and there if your relationship was real or had a future.
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While im not a Kaija hater but lover. I think if I was to give such an ultimatum Templars or me it wouldn't be until after the father is rescued. As I wouldn't want her mind clouded trying to help us get our father back. While the father sucks he is still my father id want to get him back. So I wouldn't want to distract her with something like an ultimatum until after. But lets say more than a week or 2 goes by without any progress id take the chance and tell her after our father is back or killed she has to make a choice. ( I forget the timeline for rescuing the father ) But that is just me.
Agreed, saving father was priority, cunt he is, but it needs to be done.
Ultimatums before that would be petty and childish. There's a serious job on hands, leave arguing for latter.
Always said ideal scenario would have been for MC to save his father, then tell them all to go fuck themselves, and leave.
Kaija can choose, follow him, or stay working.
Wouldn't make for much of a game though
To paraphrase Pitch Meetings: "But why didn't he leave all of them?"
"So the game can happen"
"Oh right, we do want game to happen"
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Not me. I would have been much more pissed at MC's dad than MC in the game was even before he was rescued and without an answer from Kajia - I wouldn't have gone anywhere with her - wouldn't have met her in the park to talk, wouldn't have gone to Neverwhere with her. I would have needed an answer to have ANY faith or confidence in her in any capacity. I would have asked her to choose, and if she chose the Templars, I never would have spoken to her again.
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Yeah but it's kind of a catch 22 for Kajia (for me anyway) because at this point.Agreed, saving father was priority, cunt he is, but it needs to be done.
Ultimatums before that would be petty and childish. There's a serious job on hands, leave arguing for latter.
Always said ideal scenario would have been for MC to save his father, then tell them all to go fuck themselves, and leave.
Kaija can choose, follow him, or stay working.
Wouldn't make for much of a game though
To paraphrase Pitch Meetings: "But why didn't he leave all of them?"
"So the game can happen"
"Oh right, we do want game to happen"
1) Parents lied
2) Kajia Lied
3) Parents lied abotu Kajia
4) MC meets new girl, who really likes him (and he can tell because on first meeting she tried to kill him.
5) Parents / Kajia / Templars kill new girl
So while initially I was angry and hurt, now I'm ready to head back and kill some templars ... so it's a little late for Kajia to decide that she's going to quit.
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I get that if there wasn't a serious matter with the father unless you don't care if he lives or dies then I can see it. But when there is a serious matter like with the father being kidnapped and need saving making her do such a thing, when she is a capable fight and probably one of the stronger ones in the order comes off as really petty and dumb to do. Then again id want the father to live maybe you don't or don't care if he dies at this point , so all you care about is where you stand with her Kaija and protecting yourself.
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I wouldn't say "don't care if he lives or dies" at least at that point - close to it, but I would want to talk to him first. However, I wouldn't have wanted that conversation badly enough to work with Kajia. (Also - we went to Neverwhere without knowing that freeing MC's dad would be the end result so I just wouldn't have gone there - not with her. It was a bit insensitive of them to even suggest that under the circumstances.
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Honestly yeah I didn't like how we went to Neverwhere even on the love path I felt things weren't really settled , just kind of made up for the job without any real conversation. Tho I will say even on the hate path she is the only templar I would even consider trusting.
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Refer to this post by Ceolag (that took some time to dig out):
Post by Ceolag
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yeah on the hate path if I had the option would of been the Valkyrie girl or not at all. But if there was no option for me Kaija is literally better than any other templar for me , even if she was still doing a job on the hate path I trust her more than the rest.