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VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

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TrixRabbit

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Personally I don’t think that Kajia being a ‘long time friend’ would have made much difference to how I feel about her or the Templars, especially after the last chapter. I still think that story wise he made a mistake with killing Finn. (No death threats though.) If he wanted us to be neutral and have further interactions with the Templars, Finns father would have done. Finn makes a much better Alfar li than Medb but her death makes it impossible for me to have friendly relations with the Templars- I don’t care if it was only one of them acting independently. It’s CEO’s story to tell but I think I would have felt closer to how he wants us to if he had done the end of the last chapter a bit different.
 

Wolfram99

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Personally I don’t think that Kajia being a ‘long time friend’ would have made much difference to how I feel about her or the Templars, especially after the last chapter. I still think that story wise he made a mistake with killing Finn. (No death threats though.) If he wanted us to be neutral and have further interactions with the Templars, Finns father would have done. Finn makes a much better Alfar li than Medb but her death makes it impossible for me to have friendly relations with the Templars- I don’t care if it was only one of them acting independently. It’s CEO’s story to tell but I think I would have felt closer to how he wants us to if he had done the end of the last chapter a bit different.
We dont know shit about the who and how has done it, and remember that the story will need to incorporate the path with Finn being killed by MC himself.
 

TrixRabbit

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We dont know shit about the who and how has done it, and remember that the story will need to incorporate the path with Finn being killed by MC himself.
That's true (about MC having the chance to kill Finn) but it still leaves us with either one or zero good Lis in the game. Kajia is not a Li (for me), the office lady whose name I can never remember is not a Li, Medb is a good leader and the person I trust most in the game so far, but she's not a Li and that leaves Fionna who we know very little about. And I do think that Templars killed Finn - it may not have been the whole organization, but I don't think Medb would have said it so matter of factly if she wasn't sure. And if there is just one Templar involved it will end them with me - I won't have a kind word to say to any of them no matter what else happens.
 

Dessolos

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Who kills a defeated woman in a porn vn? Once defeated is sexy time :WeSmart:
Honestly I was gonna kill her my first time. Only reason I didn't was I didn't play the update as soon as it dropped and I read how attached people got to Fin so I had to see for myself.
 
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Honestly I was gonna kill her my first time. Only reason I didn't was I didn't play the update as soon as it dropped and I read how attached people got to Fin so I had to see for myself.
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TrixRabbit

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Who kills a defeated woman in a porn vn? Once defeated is sexy time :WeSmart:
I thought about it but MC was there to make peace and hear the Alfar side of things, given that they were about to chuck him out, or worse - slitting the throat of the disarmed girl on the floor didn't seem like a good idea. Sparing her seemed like the best, easiest way to show Medb that MC was not like the Templars ... I took a chance, and I'm glad I did. Finn is my favorite character in the game so far, by quite a lot.
 

Pixillin'

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I thought about it but MC was there to make peace and hear the Alfar side of things, given that they were about to chuck him out, or worse - slitting the throat of the disarmed girl on the floor didn't seem like a good idea. Sparing her seemed like the best, easiest way to show Medb that MC was not like the Templars ... I took a chance, and I'm glad I did. Finn is my favorite character in the game so far, by quite a lot.
This is where I'm at too. It's making me doubt the game as a whole - since Ceo has said that there aren't any new Lis coming and I'm down to Fionna (as long as she has no ties at all to the Templars) or choosing none of the above and sticking with Kate. TNT does not have a ton of good characters (IMO). Ceo is really going to have to hit it out of the park with the next update.
 

Rehwyn

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I thought about it but MC was there to make peace and hear the Alfar side of things, given that they were about to chuck him out, or worse - slitting the throat of the disarmed girl on the floor didn't seem like a good idea. Sparing her seemed like the best, easiest way to show Medb that MC was not like the Templars ... I took a chance, and I'm glad I did. Finn is my favorite character in the game so far, by quite a lot.
Yeah, considering MC's goals, choosing to kill Finn is a textbook example of shooting yourself in the foot.
 

Pixillin'

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Coming in with peaceful-ish intentions, and the princess tries to murder you 2 times with clear approval from elven higher-ups.
The saying "Third time's the charm" would end with MC in a body bag dumped in a druggie's den in Neverwhere.
Except there was no "clear approval from higher-ups". The first time she was a guard and you were coming in uninvited. Then she challenged you to a duel (which apparently she has a right to do under their laws) and lost. She didn't die in it, but she had a 'life-debt'. At any rate, being a "templar" (as far as they were concerned) who came uninvited, and not as an official emissary - none of them had any real reason not to kill MC. So I gave them one.
 

Rehwyn

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Coming in with peaceful-ish intentions, and the princess tries to murder you 2 times with clear approval from elven higher-ups.
The saying "Third time's the charm" would end with MC in a body bag dumped in a druggie's den in Neverwhere.
Sure, it's obviously a risk and MC could just decide "screw this" and kill her. But if MC still wants to try to press for peace, killing Finn is not going to help that cause.
 
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Pixillin'

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Sure, it's obviously a risk and MC could just decide "screw this" and kill her. But if MC still wants to try to press for peace, killing Finn is not going to help that cause.
Besides, given the reception he'd received - I figured that there was a decent chance they'd kill MC (or at least lock him up) even if he did kill her. And I'd already defeated her twice, if she tried a third time and she died fighting, that would be different but slitting her throat while she was unarmed and lying on the ground is less excusable. Any way I looked at it, killing Finn seemed like a dumb play.
 

Wolfram99

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Except there was no "clear approval from higher-ups". The first time she was a guard and you were coming in uninvited. Then she challenged you to a duel (which apparently she has a right to do under their laws) and lost. She didn't die in it, but she had a 'life-debt'. At any rate, being a "templar" (as far as they were concerned) who came uninvited, and not as an official emissary - none of them had any real reason not to kill MC. So I gave them one.
She didn't have a life debt like Medb did, hers seems to be a weaker version.
If Ailil clearly stated that there is no way for a human to enter the Elven world without MC's life being in danger then all is good.
But they invited him straight to the butchering room, and MC's attempts to just peacefully go back were met with potential threats of a man-hunt.

Sure, it's obviously a risk and MC could just decide "screw this" and kill her. But if MC still wants to try to press for peace, killing Finn is not going to help that cause.
How many clear assasination attempts should the MC forgive? At some point you actually want to prevent the feeling of "fearing for your life".
How many times can the other cheek be presented?
 
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Pixillin'

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She didn't have a life debt like Medb did, hers seems to be a weaker version.
If Ailil clearly stated that there is no way for a human to enter the Elven world without MC's life being in danger then all is good.
But they invited him straight to the butchering room, and MC's attempts to just peacefully go back were met with potential threats of a man-hunt.
How many clear assasination attempts should the MC forgive? At some point you actually want to prevent the feeling of "fearing for your life".
How many times can the other cheek be presented?

I don't think you understand the situation. MC was going to see them, which on the surface was dumb. These were the people who kidnapped his father. Normally he would have been killed or captured trying to enter - he got Ailil to take him to Medb which solved all of Ailil's problems - pass the buck, let her decide to do with the Templar heir - of course he'd be hunted down if he took off. He's an enemy inside their territory. MC needed a way to shift the narrative - to change their minds about him so he would get a chance to talk to them - sparing Finn when he was under no obligation to do so - was that chance.
 
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